I'm with you on Devante Davis, the thing that stands out when I watch him is how natural he looks, he looked like he belonged from jump street. I think Hill will be very good too, but I think Davis will hear his name first in the 2018 draft
Ketch's 10 Thoughts From the Weekend (What can we expect from the freshmen DTs?)
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The Miami staff thought he was the best prospect in the city when he came out, per a source 18 months ago.
So in the History of music, Prince is one of the top 4 all time best? Is that what you are suggesting?
If we included only one person from the 20th century on the list, a strong case can be made he should be the one,.
Yeah, Clapton says Prince is the greatest guitarist of all time....and so do others, btw.
That's not known to be true. There's quite a bit of doubt he actually said that about Prince.
That being said, he obviously respected Prince.
Legendary English rock and blues musician Eric Clapton is remembering Prince as an inspiration, a “true genius“ and a man who lifted him up in the darkest of times.
In an emotional Facebook post on Saturday, Clapton reminisced about being out on the road in the 1980s in a “massive downward spiral with drink and drugs.” Unaware of who Prince was, Clapton entered a movie theater in Canada and watched the 1984 film “Purple Rain.”
The experience, Clapton said, “was like a bolt of lightning.”
“In the middle of my depression, and the dreadful state of the music culture at that time it gave me hope, he was like a light in the darkness,” Clapton wrote.
After watching the film, Clapton says he returned to his hotel room and, “surrounded by empty beer cans,” wrote the song “Holy Mother.”
“Holy mother, where are you?” begins the song, released in 1986. “Tonight I feel broken in two. I’ve seen the stars fall from the sky. Holy mother, can’t keep from crying.”
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Take a quick hack at making the case then. I'll keep an open mind. In the court of public opinion, outside of the week following Prince's death apparently, I don't think people agree with you though.
Show me a list ranking influential artists of the 20th century where Prince is at or near the top. There are numerous lists online along that vein (some of which are more objective than others, obviously), but after looking over them I can't find one.
If you have the same results, that simply means you trust your opinion more than all the people, experts or otherwise, that prepared those lists. Is that any different than those who are disagreeing with you on this?
That's a nice excerpt, but my comment isn't at odds with it unless I'm missing something. I just said the authenticity of that particular statement referenced by the previous poster was in doubt. And it is. What you've pasted here doesn't address that.
He would have some pretty stiff competition. And that is without any classical composers like Stravinsky, Prokofiev, Shostakovich
Gershwin
Cole Porter
Richard Rogers
Irving Berlin
Lennon
McCartney
Dylan
Simon
Wonder
Jackson
Brian Wilson
Carol King
Elton John
Bowie
Others can think of many additional.
You cannot be the best of the 20th century if you were not the best of your era (Michael) or the best of your type (Michael or Stevie). If Prince was in the Beatles he would not be considered top 2, maybe not top 3.
Good stuff on the Dline. Despite you breaking it down clearly on what seems like common sense to me people are still gleefully drinking the kool aid and ignoring the warning signs. This D line is a waaays away from being where Strong needs it to be this year.
Just like QB, we really needed Strong to score some big time DL in the 15 class. Whiffed on both. Great job in 16 but its going to take some time, maybe years to come to fruition.
Just like QB, we really needed Strong to score some big time DL in the 15 class. Whiffed on both. Great job in 16 but its going to take some time, maybe years to come to fruition.
Have to play to your strengths. Ohio State did the same with Hawk, Carpenter and Schlegel at LB. Would rather funnel plays to them than rely on freshmen DT's to stuff the run and put up big tackle #'s
From a historic musical perspective and comparison of the personae, Mozart Most Definitely, Beethoven, not so much.
Like Mozart, Prince was self taught on all his instruments and wrote an amazing number of musical works which expanded the genre of the time. Both experimented freely and artistically. Both were 'wild' fun-loving personalities who loved to party.
Beethoven's greatness is encapsulated by his composition which expanded the Classical era and bridged to the Romantic. Although like the two above he was an elite pianist,he was not a party guy by any stretch of the imagination. He was a stoic G-d fearing man who was a genius and exceeded his physical limitation - his deafness. .
Neither Prince or Mozart had any physical restrictions or created new Genres. They only expanded the ones within they existed albeit to unheard of heights.
So, in conclusion, Mozart of our Time? YES. Beethoven? no
what did the Beatles have on Prince?
Musicality?
Song-writing?
Performance?
Longevity?
Michael Jackson isn't superior to Prince.
Prince?
I threw in a bunch of names of prolific songwriters/performers. Her catalogue stands on it's own.
Natural Woman sung by Aretha is better than anything Prince did in my opinion.
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This is the real answer. Spend some time googling other people's lists and Prince not on them.
Can't be the greatest of the 20th century unless a bunch say so as well.
And Tom Brady isn't superior to Tony Romo.
We can do this all day. I know that you think that he is the best. I just don't believe most would agree.
Doesn't Prince go about 10 levels beyond songwriting?
Again, name the artists that tops him in all of the above things combined:"
Musicality?
Song-writing?
Performance?
Longevity?
Give it time. His career as time passes along will continue to stand out from the pack.
An interesting argument. You are saying he is a 5 tool guy so he must be the greatest. Not saying it is wrong, just saying we normally don't give aggregate points based on being really good at a lot of things. Many were better song writers (certainly Lennon/McCartney), many at least as good at performing, he was a great musician, Jagger may have him on performance and longevity.
My thing is, you are suggesting he has a timeless quality, I think he has been largely forgotten in the past 20 years. His songs sound a little dated to me, and maybe just me.
He did a lot of things well no doubt. Perhaps he would win if we were doing a musical decathlon, but when we talk about GOAT that's not what matters. Who's music will endure? I don't think Prince will have the staying power of the others.
If we took McCartney's best, Lennon's best, Michael's best and compared them to Prince's, I think most would not pick Prince. You would, but if you are honest I think that you would agree that you are in the minority on this.
But no response to my comment. Here's what it sounds like you're saying... "Prince is the greatest, and if you don't agree just give it 50 years. Until then, ignore public and professional opinions."
Great detail on the DTs Ketch. I mean, really good analytical stuff on one of the keys to the season and Strong's Texas career. It's really tough for freshman DTs to do much damage, not only because of the lack of strength in battling OLs that are 2-4 years into a college lifting program leaning on them all game, but the technique is just not there. Things happen so quickly on the inside, it's tough on a beginner.
That being said, we are going to see some frosh DTs with some tackles and stats next year simply out of playing time. After the 3 returners, I think Giles most likely followed by Daniels and Elliot, will see time and contribute here and there. If one of them outperforms historical expectations, more power to them. I am also in the Wilbon might contribute camp. I don't think he's going to stat up the box score sheet, but I think he's the biggest and strongest bull among the five, and therefore will play at NT for sure.
I don't see any of the newbees blowing things up. I just want some decent not-sucking minutes out of them. That's enough to ask true freshmen.
That being said, we are going to see some frosh DTs with some tackles and stats next year simply out of playing time. After the 3 returners, I think Giles most likely followed by Daniels and Elliot, will see time and contribute here and there. If one of them outperforms historical expectations, more power to them. I am also in the Wilbon might contribute camp. I don't think he's going to stat up the box score sheet, but I think he's the biggest and strongest bull among the five, and therefore will play at NT for sure.
I don't see any of the newbees blowing things up. I just want some decent not-sucking minutes out of them. That's enough to ask true freshmen.
a. He's the ultimate five-tool player.
b. What made Lennon/McCartney better songwriters?
c. Jagger is a five-star performer, but he doesn't have him on anything other he's lived longer.
d. He's not been forgotten in the last 20 years. That's crazy talk.
I have some concern about Christmas-Giles' readiness to play right away. Big difference between college football at this level and New Orleans prep ball.
We're talking about a guy that needs to be molded like a piece of clay more than a guy that is add water, instant player.
Or I'm being realistic about how these things unfold. When Jelly Roll Morton passed away in 1941, he could have never known that University of Texas classes would feature his work in its course-load.
As time passes, greatness becomes enhanced.
When Mozart died, his funeral was sparsely attended and only in his death did his popularity spike again to reflect what he was in his time.
My contention is that history and time will properly view Prince among the kings of music.
Perhaps. There are many others from his generation and those surrounding it that will be difficult to outshine, perhaps not in terms of talent but certainly with regard to their influence and overall body of work.
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