Outside of Baylor and it's one data point of case study which was riddled with so much failure that it's nearly impossible to replicate when has one bad apple spoiled the bunch?
Reese Leitao – "So you're telling me there's a chance."
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Outside of Baylor and it's one data point of case study which was riddled with so much failure that it's nearly impossible to replicate when has one bad apple spoiled the bunch?
Are we forgetting that just a few years ago two of our players were accused / arrested / and on trial for rape. They were eventually found innocent but in the meantime they were simply removed from the program and there wasn't some giant stain all over the program's face other than the fabricated stains of internet message boards. Coaches aren't precogs. Nobody expects football programs to prevent crime. You don't encourage it, but when (not if because it's human nature) it happens you don't hide it and remove the player from your program and move on.
Kids are stupid. Money doesn't remove stupid it only helps mask it. Suburbs are riddled with drug problems.
My post was based on you thinking the only risk was the athlete gets kicked off the team. That's not true. When you as a coach bring in someone you know already has a troubled past (i.e.assault, drug abuse, drug dealing, and allegations of rape) you're risking another students well being. I'm not saying this kid doesn't deserve another chance but it doesn't mean it has to be at UT.
No I get it. Would you like this kid staying with you? Around your kids? Just curious.
The two guys convicted evidently weren't the thugs they were alleged to be - they weren't poisoning the locker room.
Bubba - you are entitled to your opinion. I disagree. If this was Vince, I might think otherwise. But this is a tight end who can be replaced with little or no drop off, and with no baggage coming into the program.
Bubba - you are entitled to your opinion. I disagree. If this was Vince, I might think otherwise. But this is a tight end who can be replaced with little or no drop off, and with no baggage coming into the program.
I don't disagree. He's not Vince but he isn't replaceable immediately because the signing period is over and there is no one on our roster that can replicate his talent. I just don't think the locker room culture turns on a dime like you suggest and locker room cancers are more or less bad attitudes which come from anywhere and not necessarily just thugs or criminals. Our 2005 NC team had a lot of bad apples that didn't have any issue leaving everything on the field when they suited up.
Btw the guy in question wasn't actually convicted either he was given deferred adjudication. It may be semantics to you but it's not technically a conviction either.
As for the he deserves a 2nd chance just not from me that's a cop out and complete contradiction. If you aren't willing to give someone a 2nd chance then you don't feel they deserve one. Now it's absolutely fine to feel that way, but just don't try to play mental gymnastics to make it sound like you are all for someone getting second chance.
As for the he deserves a 2nd chance just not from me that's a cop out and complete contradiction. If you aren't willing to give someone a 2nd chance then you don't feel they deserve one. Now it's absolutely fine to feel that way, but just don't try to play mental gymnastics to make it sound like you are all for someone getting second chance.
To correct both of us - he pled guilty and received deferred adjudication.
I never said I'm in favor of 2nd chances. I just say that, other than Gronk and a very few others, tight ends are dime a dozen. I would rather take a chance on one who does not peddle illegal drugs to minors.
I disagree with the idea that TE's are basically a dime a dozen. The fact is that in the Pros...( and CFB for that matter) there are very few quality TE's...Your statement..."other than Gronk and a few others...." tells you everything you need to know.....Simply that a quality TE is a damned rare thing, and the team that has one has a HUGE advantage.
No way of knowing if Lieto is that rarest of the rare quality TE but at least the forecasts point that way.Now should he be allowed to play?....That is way above my pay grade to decide, but know this.....people with their own asses on the line will be deciding that.
No way of knowing if Lieto is that rarest of the rare quality TE but at least the forecasts point that way.Now should he be allowed to play?....That is way above my pay grade to decide, but know this.....people with their own asses on the line will be deciding that.
Im not sure on him but was thinking his Dad is a basketball coach who teaches young men and do you not feel his dad was embarrassed and hurt by his actions along with other family members? If he did not care about what his actions caused them then what does the kid care about.Texas?????
That's technically not a conviction though. Regardless of where you fall on TEs being a dime a dozen that has been one of UTs most snake bit positions since Jermichael Finley left a decade ago. They may be easily replaced at other programs, but Texas for whatever reason can't get their act together with TEs.
Hyperbole much? No one is talking about curing cancer, and Im not promoting big pharma.
Im being real. Youre gonna be real disappointed that these players aren't all saints. People do coke abd xanax all the time that lead very normal, responsible lives. Its not rape, assault or murder. Big difference.
I never said the players were innocent that's obvious we have a recruit that likes to sale Xanax on the street and made possibly $1,290.00 (Felony) in a week doing it. Got lucky he's a football player or else. Is it rape nope but does it make it ok? No not in my book but let's face it nothing I say matters. TH has the decision to make. I guess my point is he better be worth the resources you're going to have to stick on him to make sure he isn't as stupid as he's already shown.
I doubt that entered into the equation...I think he is lucky that his Dad was rich enough to get the best legal Rep money could buy. I think the end result would have been the same if he never played any sports.....and conversely, I think if he was the top ranked recruit in the country, but was broke, he is up the river.
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Based off some of the stuff that was said I'm going with being a high profile athlete in this case.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsext...cle_bbfa262b-4a86-54e5-8ff2-53eb0a5069a7.html
First Assistant District Attorney Erik Grayless said. “You always have to look at individuals and what they did and who they are. We’ll do that for Mr. Leitao.”
“We don’t dismiss cases for reasons other than evidentiary issues,” Grayless said. “In other words, we don’t say, ‘He’s a good kid. We’re going to dismiss his case.’ Will we let the fact that he has a scholarship change our decision? No, but it is a factor."
Either way he's still a lucky fool!
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This is embarrassing....who do u think he was trying to sell it to ???? This program is not too far from the gutter.
Leitao had originally been charged with felony possession of a controlled substance with intent to distribute within 1,000 feet of a school
Leitao had originally been charged with felony possession of a controlled substance with intent to distribute within 1,000 feet of a school
I agree he shouldn't be on the team, but it would astonish you the number of kids that are currently attending high school that could get busted for the exact same thing. Again I think he should have lost his scholarship.
Everyone takes borderline players. It depends on the culture which is established at the school that many times determines direction many of these kids will go. Plus, personal responsibility and choices come into play. Some will choose wrong and have to be let go. What Baylor did was take on 50 players over 4-5 years who had been kicked out of other programs. That is WAY beyond accepting a few borderline players.
I'm telling you.....
1 year at juco to get his sh!t together....I say this because if he screws up, he's likely to do it in year one. The further he gets away from the arrest (time wise) the less likely he is to repeat. Let him sit at a juco for a year and if he steps on his d!ck, you cut him loose. If he minds his manners, bring him in.
1 year at juco to get his sh!t together....I say this because if he screws up, he's likely to do it in year one. The further he gets away from the arrest (time wise) the less likely he is to repeat. Let him sit at a juco for a year and if he steps on his d!ck, you cut him loose. If he minds his manners, bring him in.
To say TE's are a dime a dozen shows a lack of football IQ. We don't beat USC in the NC without 10 catches from David Thomas. I knew the TE would be open because USC likes to play cover 2 and not get beat deep. That leaves your TE as a primary receiver and we killed them all game long. In fact I was telling USC fans this very thing on their board before the game. -- From Wiki: Thomas played a prominent role in the Longhorns' 41–38 National Championship upset of then No. 1 USC in the 2006 Rose Bowl, hauling in a game-high 10 receptions for 88 yards.
I don't disagree with you that we needed a TE in 2005-2006 but the game has changed since that NC. Not saying TE isn't important but you can't base what happened 11 years ago to todays game.
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It depends on your offense. Some it's an important position others not so much. Elite players at any position are certainly not a dime a dozen. If Gilbert were still our OC we wouldn't have even recruited this guy because the TE in his system is basically just an extra lineman.
Looking at the past two seasons for UH it does look like Herman used his TE for receiving. As far as the B12 not so much and that maybe due to just not enough talent or offense being run. If you go back in 2005 and 2006 TE in the B12 was utilized all over.
With all due respect ---- show me your rankings of each position on the field. Then tell me how many difference making TE's there are. Then factor in the changing offenses in CFB. I have a feeling you will agree that the TE is on the lower half (and lower 1/4 to me) in terms of importance to the team. Unless you get Gronk (or a very small handful of others), then give me a clean 3 star over a 4 star with baggage. Just my 2 cents. I haven't watched all of Herman's UH games, but from what I've seen he doesn't seem to emphasize the TE like many pro teams.
Thomas was fantastic. He was also playing in a different offense and playing with VY, who commanded a spy and everyone other defender's attention because of his running abilities. But then again, I have no football IQ.
