I mostly agree here up to this point in his career. I think his recruiting style is to get what he perceives as they highest ranked players but is not getting the chemistry right, hence the disaster with Allen and Murray. My point in making comparisons earlier to other coaches is simply to say that the book is not finished on Sumlin. He's 8 years into his head coaching career. There are certainly warning signs and he will have to correct those to reach his potential as a head coach.
Sumlin killing it in recruiting
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I mostly agree here up to this point in his career. I think his recruiting style is to get what he perceives as they highest ranked players but is not getting the chemistry right, hence the disaster with Allen and Murray. My point in making comparisons earlier to other coaches is simply to say that the book is not finished on Sumlin. He's 8 years into his head coaching career. There are certainly warning signs and he will have to correct those to reach his potential as a head coach.
How is it valid???
The sole talking point here was winning titles. Want to devolve it a little to overall win%, or avg win per season, or in conf win%, or bowl win% and Mack scores higher in ALL those areas. And again he had more CCs. And more NCs. Simple to do the "valid comparison" because Sumlin has ZERO CCs and ZERO NCs. This is why he doesn't belong in the conversation. It is a null comparison, not a valid one.
So you deflect and start talking recruiting rankings and bite off a 12 win year for Sumlin and compare it to Macks worst year. Super valid argument. Except that Mack had 12 win years. Oh yeah, along with those pesky little CCs and NCs thingies that Aggie can only dream about.
Yes, yes after 30 years he had those titles! 30! You know what Mack Brown's record was after 8 years? 32-57-1 I'm sure at that point many thought he was nothing but a loser.
My point is that he didn't win a conference title until his 22nd year. Obviously you are taking this as an attempt by me to compare Kevin Sumlin and Mack Brown career #'s. Obviously, you cant do that when one has coached 30 years and one has coached 8.
In a different thread about whether a coach had ever had 2 losing seasons to begin a tenure and gone on to any success. A UT fan properly noted Bobby Bowden and his rough start at FSU. How stupid would it have been for someone to rush and proclaim that it was ridiculous to compare Strong and Bowden. Bowden has 377 wins, 14 CC's and 2 NC's! That wasn't the point. The point was there was an example of a coach who had gotten off to a rough start and still went on to do great things.
Attention aggys - sumlin is a dumpster fire unto himself. He has accomplished nothing to speak of in his career regardless of how long he has had to this point.... i mean he was given the keys to a&m and gotten worse each year..... thats not a bad year or 2... that is a career decimating trend. But then again, a&m is where coaches take their careers to die.
SMH.
Only an aggy would have to ask. It's defined by skins on the wall. Titles. Championships. Drunklin has zero of those. That's why he's a loser. Strong has 2 national titles as a DC and 2 conference titles and a BCS win as a HC. In other words, NOT a complete loser like your guy.Would you say that after another losing season?SMH.
Strong's definitely got to turn it around here but I think he will. Still, he has skins on the wall as both a DC as well as a HC. Your drunk loser doesn't.
Well, loser or not both coaches could end up looking for work next year if they don't show improvement.
Possible but more likely for Stumblin. This is year 3 for Strong, it's year 5 for DJ Gadget with nothing to show for it. You aggys always try to lump them together as if they've been there the same length of time. Strong is almost complete turning the roster over with his guys. Your roster is all your coach's.
True. But three losing seasons in a row on the 40 acres is much more intolerable. We're perennial losers...remember?
No one is saying we stand for losing seasons. Just saying, our coach looks to be building something here. If he doesn't, he'll be gone. But his track record shows this is his MO. 2 years of down time playing youth, then building it up. And he has titles he has won.
Your coach is regressing. And that is what he does. And he hasn't won anything....EVER. And you love him for it. We'd fire him for it.
I just don't understand how come you Ags can't have an honest conversation about your coach without comparing him to an ole tu coach. I thought you quit us. That is your problem, you don't know how to take an honest look in the mirror because your inferiority complex rares its ugly head. And then your delusion sets in. And next thing you know, ATM is about to take the GOAT from Ali.
So to talk about Sumlin here. What has he done that has impressed at all? One win vs Bama, in a year that you didn't win squat. (Charlie beat OU and BU last year and his ass should be fired if he keeps trending downward like your boy Sumlin has.....I wouldn't be pointing to one win 5 years ago to save him).
What has he done lately? Can you really feel like ATM is trending upwards? Down in recruiting. Down in the division. Bloody losses at home. Ugly losses on the road. Barely beating teams like LaMa and Tx St at home. Only reason you get bowl elig is because you play no one in the preseason.
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Like what is there to like about Sumlin? He won 12 games and no titles once upon a time at UH. And this one time with Johnny football he beat Bama. Since then a ton of transfers. And arrests. No roster stability. No coaching staff stability. Grasping at straws by firing folks and continuing to lose more and more games and fall further down the SEC West totem pole. And you slob that sh!t up like he is Bear Bryant.
One of the biggest problems with people on the internet is that discussions are often considered zero sum games. One can not have a negative comment toward a program without an opposing viewpoint receiving a positive comment. A statement that one coach is struggling does not mean the other in the discussion is a world beater. Discussions often devolve into pissing matches, when both commenters may be correct.
Strong and Sumlin are both on the hot seat, regardless of their past performances. For similar and different reasons. They have different leashes with which to work based upon history and the personality of the institutions and fanbases. Both need a good showing this season.....
I like Charlie....and I hope he is very successful. Somewhere else....
Strong and Sumlin are both on the hot seat, regardless of their past performances. For similar and different reasons. They have different leashes with which to work based upon history and the personality of the institutions and fanbases. Both need a good showing this season.....
I like Charlie....and I hope he is very successful. Somewhere else....
the first paragraph was pure bullshit. I agree with the second...they are both on the hot seat. I also believe you are genuine wishing Charlie well....somewhere else. If he does succeed in turning it around at Texas, yall are in real,real trouble.......If he turns in 9 or 10 wins this year, it wont matter what Sumlin and aTm do....the state will be lost to yall for as long as he stays here. If he falters and gets the sack yall will still have trouble ....Texas will be loaded for whoever comes in.
Not pure bullshit. Totally par for the course in internet message boards and insecure women. (i.e. "she's hot" = "you're ugly")
If I say the Longhorns have a lot of questions at QB.....it in no way means my school's QB situation is settled. Truth is we both have lots of questions at that position. etc....
And Charlie was my first pick prior to the Sumlin hire. Obviously they didn't ask me. He's a great coach...in a really tough spot.
If I say the Longhorns have a lot of questions at QB.....it in no way means my school's QB situation is settled. Truth is we both have lots of questions at that position. etc....
And Charlie was my first pick prior to the Sumlin hire. Obviously they didn't ask me. He's a great coach...in a really tough spot.
Sorry but the state is already lost to Texas. Always has been. Always will be. There is no questioning which school is the flagship school. Most states are like this. You could dream to become the clear 2nd. And BU is helping you with that. But you ran away because you couldn't get out of daddies shadow and you were falling behind TT and BU regularly on the field and placing at the bottom of the South division.
Charlie has dominated ATM in recruiting. And the talent gap it is starting to show on the field.
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