TCU/GA thread
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If MI upset over tOSU was such a big upset than what does that make TCU's upset over MI?
We lack mental toughness. We lack earned swagger. All the swagger we have as a team is manufactured by in house "hype videos" and daily nut swinging done by alumni and social media fan boys.
Our kids aren't killers. We don't have assassins. We have a collection of prima donnas that believe they are talented enough to win on talent alone. Just roll that jock strap out on the field and the other team will pack it in.
What do we lead the nation in? Laser light shows in our locker room. Juice and smoothie bars in the weight room. Personal hype video produced by our media center. And coming soon- overblown NIL contracts.
We are Texas....
I think there is truth to what you say. I think it boils down to hiring the wrong coaches.
This is what I said a moment ago in another post:
"I've usually been hard on Texas because I've always felt that they underachieve and play down to their competition.
I have this feeling Texas will do better in the SEC than people think. We have the talent--it just hasn't been coached properly. We've seen what Texas can do when the players are actually ready for the game--and they've actually done well against SEC teams because playing them motivates them. (With the exception of Arkansas--which they need to start taking much more seriously).
For some reason, Texas doesn't meet the intensity of the rest of the Big 12 (OU game is the exception) when it plays them. That's why the B12 teams look like world beaters against Texas and then look like the average teams that they are when they play subsequent games--we see this every year--including this one. It maybe a mental thing, (or entitlement) but Texas doesn't play like they should against the TCUs (Okie State, Iowa State, Baylor, Tech etc) of the world because I think they feel like they should just roll out their helmets and beat them. And of course, our hatred and intensity doesn't match our conference opponents, and we struggle. AND, we haven't had coaches that can consistently match this intensity and hatred, and bring out the best in our talent, and we underachieve. Texas players respect the SEC, they don't the Big 12. So teams look like the '85 Bears after beating Texas and then promptly stink it up later. Texas lacks the coaching to give the team the consistent edge that it needs to win big.
I think going to the SEC maybe the best thing that happens Texas."
Well, the teams that couldn't win their regular season games certainly didn't "deserve" their spot either. Win your ****ing games and you don't have to worry about it.
Alabama almost lost to Texas and Texas A&M and also lost to their two toughest opponents. Sorry, they didn't "deserve" to be in either.
Tennessee was blown out by South Freaking Carolina and went to OT vs. Pitt.
Who else "deserved" to be in?
TCU won 13 games and beat an undefeated Michigan team who won their conference in the first round of the playoffs. They 100% deserved to be there. The outcome of last nights game changes none of that. If we are just going to start putting teams in by who we think should be there then why even play the regular season games. That's just silly logic. Georgia is just on a different level than any other team is right now. And they showed what they were capable of when they are clicking on all cylinders. They played a sloppy game against a very good Ohio State team and still got the win.
Can you stop your the Big XII is beneath us bull****?
If the Big XII is so mediocre as you never tire of saying how come we've gone 14 years without winning it?
Did you see the SEC this year? How about bowl season? Do I have to remind you how the SEC has dominated college fb the last 17 years?
We've got one more season to get ready for the SEC. We had to rely on to many first and second year players this year. We didn't get blown out every loss was less than 7 points. But we have to get it together and pronto.
Good point and I don't disagree. It's certainly not an ideal. I had a conversation on a post about this a few weeks ago.
I think Alabama should've been place ahead of TCU--given their better strength of schedule (Texas on the road; TCU playing Tarlton State etc), and playing better teams in the regular season than TCU. I think teams that play better competition, particularly in the non-conference should be rewarded, over wins and losses.
Even though TCU had more wins than Alabama, they struggled in their conference against several teams--and should've lost multiple times but didn't due to the ineptitude of teams like Ok State, Baylor and Texas. Even Michigan took TCU lightly and it cost them. But even that game it had more to do with Michigan's lack of preparedness than TCU winning.
TCU didn't schedule a nonconference team like Texas on the road--Alabama did, and they should've been rewarded for that.
Just my opinion.
TCU played Texas on the road as well. And while TCU had Tarleton State, Alabama played Austin freaking Peay.
Alabama's gripe should be over Ohio State, not TCU. TCU was the 3 seed...they were in no matter what...unless KState beat them by 30.
Hell, I was rooting for Georgia and don't much care for the cockroaches but they absolutely deserved the CFP spot.
If I'm not mistaken, I think you and I had this discussion before didn't we? :]
And I stated my case then and I don't think it's silly at all--not sure we need to go back and relitigate the playoff committee decision again. We're all entitled to our opinion. I understand what you're saying, and I don't disagree with all of it.
Yes, TCU got in the playoffs. Yes, they beat Michigan, and I don't think I've seen a more unprepared team than Michigan that day--but credit TCU for taken advantage of their arrogance and lack of preparation--that's on Michigan, (who actually reminded me of Texas--not showing up to play a team they should beat soundly).
But I wouldn't have put TCU in the playoffs in the first place to beat Michigan. And I've stated my reasons previously. I do realize that I'm in the minority on this one, but I think last night's game said a lot about TCU--including their inferior talent.
The difference in this game is that Georgia was angry, focused and ready to play, and they showed TCU for the pretenders that they were. I wish Texas would have been that way when they played them--we wouldn't even have to be talking about TCU.
They not only lost-they got humiliated--don't think Alabama or the other playoff teams would have lost that badly to Georgia. TCU was outclassed in every way and is not a playoff caliber team.
Just my take.
I hear ya and understand your point completely--I don't disagree.
Remember --TCU HAD to play Texas on the road--they didn't have to play Tarlton State. Alabama didn't have to schedule a tough non-conference game against Texas--that's the difference. I'm just trying to make a point of distinction about non-conference scheduling and why teams should be rewarded and given the benefit of the doubt when choosing who gets in to the playoffs.
Don't get me wrong--I'm sick of the tide like everyone else is and am glad that they didn't make the playoffs.
Let's roll the clock back a year.
TCU was 5-7. Texas was 5-7.
Texas added some pretty top shelf talent to the roster. TCU added some mid-tier talent to theirs.
TCU goes on to win 13 games. Texas wins only 8. TCU was controlled from start to finish in their last game. Texas was controlled from start to finish. Neither team ever lead their game.
TCU has (just this year) signed THE HIGHEST ranking recruiting class in the HISTORY of their school.
Ranked-----#18.
Any given year, if Texas were to turn in an 18th ranked recruiting class, the fan base would collectively puke in their soup.
So let's ask ourselves something- how in the fvck does TCU FINALLY get a top 20 ranked recruiting class yet still manage to get into the playoff and then the finals?
On top of making an 8 game improvement in wins with the SAME personnel they played last year- they added almost zero freshman help. They also hired a new head coach. So their improvement wasn't in personnel- it was in coaching and scheme.
TCU took inferior talent, coached them up, implemented their scheme, and won with a 1st year coach.
Tell me how Texas isn't suffering from a culture issue again.
What fixes that issue? The man in charge.
Don't believe me? Look at TCU.
TCU was 5-7. Texas was 5-7.
Texas added some pretty top shelf talent to the roster. TCU added some mid-tier talent to theirs.
TCU goes on to win 13 games. Texas wins only 8. TCU was controlled from start to finish in their last game. Texas was controlled from start to finish. Neither team ever lead their game.
TCU has (just this year) signed THE HIGHEST ranking recruiting class in the HISTORY of their school.
Ranked-----#18.
Any given year, if Texas were to turn in an 18th ranked recruiting class, the fan base would collectively puke in their soup.
So let's ask ourselves something- how in the fvck does TCU FINALLY get a top 20 ranked recruiting class yet still manage to get into the playoff and then the finals?
On top of making an 8 game improvement in wins with the SAME personnel they played last year- they added almost zero freshman help. They also hired a new head coach. So their improvement wasn't in personnel- it was in coaching and scheme.
TCU took inferior talent, coached them up, implemented their scheme, and won with a 1st year coach.
Tell me how Texas isn't suffering from a culture issue again.
What fixes that issue? The man in charge.
Don't believe me? Look at TCU.
I get you. Also, TCU has 9 games against P5 schools via conference while Alabama only plays 8. So one might argue it is more important for Bama to have schedules a P5 school than it was for Texas.
In the regular season TCU played 11 P5 schools. Alabama only played 9.
I would add that TCU had a 5th or 6th year senior at QB. We haven't had a good to great QB since Colt.
I Agree totally.
Coaching is huge--and one thing Dykes did was instill an edge, an intensity in his team--an edge Sark's teams lack. He did a lot more with a lot less than Sark.
And I also agree about a culture problem \. I hate to say it, but part of Texas' culture problem starts at the top--beyond the head coach --they obviously don't know how to hire football coaches. It drives me crazy. We have all the resources in the world and can't put it together to bring a winning coach here. Other blueblood programs do it--why can't we?
This is on the money. Imo this is the single most important factor. It affects every other aspect of the game. I could be wrong because I don’t know but how many true freshman qbs have won the natty?
TCU had 13 seniors and 14 guys that had 20 starts or more in their college career. They only had 1 underclassmen in their starting 22. Their QB was a 3 and a half year starter at QB. We only started 3 upper classmen on offense. Experience matters. We've had a ton of attrition to our roster from those late Herman recruiting classes.
If Dykes can replicate that next year then i'll eat some major crow. But I just don't see them replicating this season at all. They played way too many 1 possession games and the law of averages says over time some of those games are not going to go your way. They caught lighting in a bottle.
They way Sark is recruiting it's going to pay off eventually. If not for him then the next guy in 2-3 years. But all of our losses were by 7 points or less this year. We aren't as far off as many want to think.
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Trevor Lawrence is the only one I can think of. But the team he had around him was stacked with future NFL players.
Tim Tebow. Tee Martin. Tua was a freshman. Trevor Lawrence-- start naming your kids with the letter "T".....
Average coaches win with senior talent. I understand that the number of truly above average coaches can probably be counted on 2 hands. We don't have one but that is ok considering we are Texas. The challenge we will have is keeping guys on the roster long enough and developing them enough to steamroll teams like Georgia and Bama do. Anyway, NIL is solving that problem. Texas will be good soon as long as we can keep our talent from transferring like Jaydon Blue, for example.
Tee Martin sat behind Peyton Manning for 2 years. He was a junior when they won it all.
In Tim Tebow's freshman year Chris Leak was their starter and Tebow came in special running packages. He wasn't really the primary QB that year.
Tua was a freshman when they won it all but Hurts played a majority of the year. Tua did come in and win them the national championship though.
Trevor Lawrence came in late in the season and led them to a championship but that Clemson team had like 16 guys that ended up getting drafted to the NFL.
And perhaps one day again soon another Vince will dawn the jersey and all of the nfl prospect stars will all align for one more magical season before I die.
