You need a great defense and a good running game for that. Not sure we are at that level.I dont even think Ewers has to play that well for Sark to win 10-11 games. He can use him as a game manager type QB and still get the ball in the play makers hands. Saban has won multiple nattys with various mediocre game manager QB's, you dont need a stud, although it helps
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Keep closing out top 5 classes with emphases on being HUGE on the LOS and good things will happen overall.
Yeah Saban won national titles with just mediocre QBs. Like it can happen, but for the most part you need elite type play from a QB to be in that conversationI dont even think Ewers has to play that well for Sark to win 10-11 games. He can use him as a game manager type QB and still get the ball in the play makers hands. Saban has won multiple nattys with various mediocre game manager QB's, you dont need a stud, although it helps
Well, he shouldn't have won one with McElroy. smdh
2x with McCarron -- AJ had some native ability, but that OL and defense were nasty. Plus he could just hand off to Eddy Lacy, TJ Yeldon and Trent Richardson
1x with Jake Coker -- the quintessential manager, remarkable they won the natty
2x with Hurts and/or Tua. Both elite QBs
So I guess the one with McElroy and the one with Coker. And I guess he won one with Mauck, which I'd compare to AJ McCarron more so than McElroy and Coker.
Holy shit Saban is the greatest college football coach all time and I don't really think there should be a debate.
Yeah Saban is the best college football coach of all time, BUT he’s the best because he was and is willing to put great minds around him. Look at the assistants he’s hired, and it looks like Sark has taken that from his time with Saban, and I think it’s why he will be successful here
The minds that sark has with him not just on the main coaching staff, but on the “support staff” with Gary Patterson back, Paul Cryst(who got a raw deal at UW) just feels like something Saban would do.
When you don't care who gets credit, or when you aren't seeking credit -- good things tend to happen.
I haven’t been able to drink the kool aid yet men. Been burned too many times over the recent years. However, I must say. I do like the way Sark carry’s himself in the q and a’s/interviews. Comes across as confident and believes what he says. I’m sure that translates down to the players. We’ve assembled the best roster in terms of need and fit for the system Sark plays. We’ve got tremendous upside moving forward. I’ve just gotta see it with my own eyes…see it all come to fruition.
Patterson is officially back?? I thought it was just a rumor he was considering coming back.
Dudes....I was bored this morning and went down the rabbit hole of recruiting and it really shed some light on the dark days.
Recruiting Rankings (composite) from 247
2013 - 17th
2014 - 17th
2015 - 10th
2016 - 7th
2017 - 25th
2018 - 3rd
2019 - 3rd
2020 - 8th
2021 - 15th
2022 - 5th
2023 - 3rd
Recruting Rankings (composite from Phil Steele
2017 - 22nd
2018 - 5th
2019 - 6th
2020 - 7th
2021 - 15th
2022- 3rd
2023 - 2nd
I'm not sure all the rankings considered in the 247 composite, but I know Phil Steel uses every single swinging dick that has a recruiting ranking service. I would imagine it is pretty close either way.
I couldn't find my old Phil Steele mags so I couldn't go back past 2017 but I would imagine the rankings are within a spot or two of each like the other years.
What do you see?
I see the reason we lost 7 games for three straight seasons. Now, granted, having top 25 classes still means you should win at least 7 games, but Charlie Strong, as nice as he is, was a super mid coach. He wasn't qualified or ready for Texas and that was apparent.
Take Tom Herman. The 2019 class has been scrutinized many times so no need to rehash other than to say it was a smoke and mirrors class for a couple reason (1) it didn't have very many LOS guys and (2) it lost 3-4 players before they even started school. If you take out the guys that never even made it to the first day of school the 2019 class was ranked 13th.
Now Herman's problem was a couple things...(1) he was a giant douche and (2) his teams always seemed to figure out how to lose close games. Missed XPs/FGs, a turnover here or there, dropped TD passes, or defense crumbling at the worst time. I'd say with the 25th, 3rd and 13th classes he about met expectations.
Take what Sark is doing, and I'm not mixing kool-aid LOL. He is building quality classes that emphasize being very large on the LOS. He gets the best QB and sprinkles in quality WR/TE, some of them elite. Sark and staff have gotten either an elite recruit or transfer at every single position group, every single year. At the end of Mack's career, Strong's 3 years and Herman's four, they didn't do this nor did they get close.
In summary, I'm not pounding the Sark drum because up to this point I don't think he has shown the ability to be elite on game day as a HC. However, from the standpoint of the following, he is certainly changing the culture at Texas....(1) being an adult (2) roster building (3) staff building.
Time is running out though. They need 10+ wins this year...which would be Sark's first time ever doing that as a HC.
Recruiting Rankings (composite) from 247
2013 - 17th
2014 - 17th
2015 - 10th
2016 - 7th
2017 - 25th
2018 - 3rd
2019 - 3rd
2020 - 8th
2021 - 15th
2022 - 5th
2023 - 3rd
Recruting Rankings (composite from Phil Steele
2017 - 22nd
2018 - 5th
2019 - 6th
2020 - 7th
2021 - 15th
2022- 3rd
2023 - 2nd
I'm not sure all the rankings considered in the 247 composite, but I know Phil Steel uses every single swinging dick that has a recruiting ranking service. I would imagine it is pretty close either way.
I couldn't find my old Phil Steele mags so I couldn't go back past 2017 but I would imagine the rankings are within a spot or two of each like the other years.
What do you see?
I see the reason we lost 7 games for three straight seasons. Now, granted, having top 25 classes still means you should win at least 7 games, but Charlie Strong, as nice as he is, was a super mid coach. He wasn't qualified or ready for Texas and that was apparent.
Take Tom Herman. The 2019 class has been scrutinized many times so no need to rehash other than to say it was a smoke and mirrors class for a couple reason (1) it didn't have very many LOS guys and (2) it lost 3-4 players before they even started school. If you take out the guys that never even made it to the first day of school the 2019 class was ranked 13th.
Now Herman's problem was a couple things...(1) he was a giant douche and (2) his teams always seemed to figure out how to lose close games. Missed XPs/FGs, a turnover here or there, dropped TD passes, or defense crumbling at the worst time. I'd say with the 25th, 3rd and 13th classes he about met expectations.
Take what Sark is doing, and I'm not mixing kool-aid LOL. He is building quality classes that emphasize being very large on the LOS. He gets the best QB and sprinkles in quality WR/TE, some of them elite. Sark and staff have gotten either an elite recruit or transfer at every single position group, every single year. At the end of Mack's career, Strong's 3 years and Herman's four, they didn't do this nor did they get close.
In summary, I'm not pounding the Sark drum because up to this point I don't think he has shown the ability to be elite on game day as a HC. However, from the standpoint of the following, he is certainly changing the culture at Texas....(1) being an adult (2) roster building (3) staff building.
Time is running out though. They need 10+ wins this year...which would be Sark's first time ever doing that as a HC.
I agree. I remember Strong/Herman could get WRs and DBs. When it came to OL/DL, there was no emphasis. Don't fact check me because I am just generalizing.
They got a few guys here and there, but the only elite player either of them recruited was a bust. I'm gonna fact check anyway so you know you're right.
Mack's last full class in 2013 had some very highly regarded OL guys. Shocker they didn't develop under 2 years of Joe Wickline and 1 year of Mattox. SMFH.
That said, THERE WASN'T A SINGLE ****ING DL in that 2013 Class. Not one. And only 5 total LOS guys.
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Best LOS guys for Strong
Derrick Roberson - 7th DE. 100th nationally overall
Poona Ford - 19th DL. Was not ranked nationally
2014 Class had only 7 total LOS guys and after Ford, none of them were even close to being a 90 or above. All of them were outside the top 50 of their state.
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Patrick Vahe - #3 OG, #148 nationally
Charles Omenihu - #18 WDE (they didn't combine both sides back then, so probably around #30 DE) and not ranked nationally
Connor Williams was in this class as well, but a composite 3*
2015 Class had only 8 total LOS guys and as you can see above it was better than 2013 and 2014, but nowhere close to what you need to be an elite team.
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Jordan Elliot - #10 DT, #70 nationally
Patrick Hudson - #4 OT, #84 nationally
Andrew Fitzgerald - #9 SDE, #99 nationally
Jean Delance - #17 OT, #153 nationally
Denzel Okafor - #12 OG, #234 nationally
Now, this looks really good right? Well Elliot transferred to Mizzou and Hudson had to retire for medical reasons. Fitzgerald gave up football after 2 seasons. Jean Delance transferred to Florida after one season.
The only guy that played more than 2 seasons at Texas was Okafor, who wasn't exactly an elite recruit
The 2016 class did have Malcolm Roach and 13 total LOS guys. So at least they tried. But as you see above with the 2013, 2014 and 2015 classes combined with the 4 players that left Texas from the '16 class, you can see the disaster that set up the next few years.
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Tom Herman's best LOS guys
Ta'Quan Graham - #15 WDE, #214 nationally
This 2017 class did have Kerstetter and Cosmi, who both played super early. You can understand why if you read the above. Both had solid careers at Texas, not great, but Cosmi turned it into a decent start to his NFL career.
2017 only had 5 total LOS guys.
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Junior Angilau - #10 OG, #131 nationally
Keondre Coburn - #19 DT, #194 nationally
This class also had Moro Ojomo and Christian Jones. Neither nationally ranked recruits. Ojomo was a 7th round pick...now do you think that was because of Oscar Giles (Herman) or Bo Davis? Christian Jones will end up having a decent career at Texas. Lots of starts. Don't think he'll get drafted.
2018 class had a total of 8 LOS guys...better than some but still not enough
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Tyler Johnson - #8 OT, #87 nationally
Myron Warren - #13 SDE, #169 nationally
Isaiah Hookfin - #22OT, #237 nationally
Tyler Johnson didn't really care much for football...bust. Warren ended up transferring. And Hookfin was a nothing recruit until Texas offered then he shot up the boards LOL.
This class did have T'Vondre Sweat who has seemingly worked his way into a legitimate NFL prospect (late rounds). This is because of Bo Davis, not Giles...even though I like me some Oscar Giles.
2019 Class has been spoken about ad nauseum by me, lol and again only had 8 LOS guys. That just simply isn't enough LOS guys.
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Alfred Collins - #2 SDE, #32 nationally
Prince Dorbah - #10 WDE, #125 nationally
Vernon Broughton - #18 SDE, #197 nationally
Jaylin Garth - #15 OT, #215 nationally
Logan Parr - #11 OG, #246 nationally
Class also had Jake Majors, who I think has played more out of necessity (see everything above) rather than ability. And it looks like maybe Bo Davis is starting to get the most out of Collins. Coaching matters guys...newsflash I know.
Herman did try here in this class. Dumbass probably finally realized, "holy shit, we don't have any depth on the OL or DL...we better get to 'crootin!"
The 2020 class had only 8 LOS guys, but it was a small class overall. Only 20 freshmen.
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Now, let's look at Sarks first full class. The 2022 Class
DJ Campbell and Kelvin Banks. Both top 30 national recruits on the OL
Justice Finkley and J'Mond Tapp. Both top 125 national recruits on the DL
Last time we were close to this was the 2016 class. But remember, 2 of those guys transferred and 2 of them quit football altogether within the first 2 years.
2022 Class had a total of 15 LOS guys. FIFTEEN. When is the last time we did that? Again, 2016 we had 13, but read the above. At the very least you need 8 LOS guys to start. Good grief SMMFDH.
For so long (about a decade) we recruited the bare minimum on the LOS and actually questioned why we couldn't win consistently? We were gas lighted into thinking that Texas gets all the best players and all these 5 stars. That narrative is bullshit.
2023 Class had a total of 9 LOS guys. The emphasis was still there, but there was bigger need at skill positions because of graduations, transfers, etc.
2024 class already has 6 LOS guys and I guarantee it will be over 10 when all is said and done.
I don't know if Sark is the guy to lead Texas to being an elite program, but at least he knows how to build a roster. Holy shit.
This 2025 5* WR out of Duncanville, same HS as Simmons, committed to LSU yesterday over Texas completely out of nowhere. Texas was leading for him before that. Sounds like he isn’t that committed to LSU and Simmons is working on him lol!
"Give me a month"
- Colin Simmons in the Instagram comments of Moore's commitment
interview with Roach:
“Of course, I'm still going to be open because I've got two years left in my recruitment," Moore said. "Anything can happen, but right now I'm locked in on The Boot."
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"Give me a month"
- Colin Simmons in the Instagram comments of Moore's commitment
interview with Roach:
“Of course, I'm still going to be open because I've got two years left in my recruitment," Moore said. "Anything can happen, but right now I'm locked in on The Boot."
LSU picks up 2025 five-star wide receiver Moore
Dakorien Moore, the No. 10 overall prospect in the 2025 ESPN 300 and the No. 2 wide receiver, committed to LSU on Saturday.
Well of course! SMH.interview with Roach:
“Of course, I'm still going to be open because I've got two years left in my recruitment," Moore said. "Anything can happen, but right now I'm locked in on The Boot."
LSU picks up 2025 five-star wide receiver Moore
Dakorien Moore, the No. 10 overall prospect in the 2025 ESPN 300 and the No. 2 wide receiver, committed to LSU on Saturday.
The Ketchum kiss of death. Would be a good get though.
I'm nervous about Wingo. He seems like a stay at home and "shock the world" type of kid. Which is cool, but would suck for Texas. And especially with that highly ranked DL that just chose Mizzou over Georgia, I think that might speak into Wingo's loyalty, for lack of a better term.
Full court press back on Hudson! This class needs WRs in a bad way
Worthy - gone
Mitchell - gone
Whittington - gone
Sanders - gone
Neyor - gone
That's going to be a lot of production going bye bye. Hopefully all to the NFL (Whitt/Neyor).
Moore is going to be a good one. Also have Casey Cain who would only be a RS junior.
But we still need Wingo or Hudson....probably both.
We will most likely have to hit up the transfer portal. There will always be 2-3 game breakers in the portal wanting to cash in on some NIL.
Are Moore and Nibblet slot guys? Maybe we get Neyor for one more season, injury red shirt?
Even if we get Wingo, It looks like the portal may be calling.
It looks like the portal for Texas is going to be a jackpot. The sweet spot appears to be guys from Texas looking to come back to Texas after leaving.
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Ya I would say both Moore and Nibblet are both slot guys. And I could definitely see Neyor coming back for another year.
Looks like a couple of insiders just put RPM’s in for Dominick McKinley to Texas. He’s a DT out of Louisiana and is the number 1 player in the state there. Pulling him and Simmons in the same class would be amazing. Build those trenches up and get ready for SEC football.
i too see Neyor coming back. I think he will be slowly used this year to make sure hes 100% game ready and with AD and Worthy being the 1 and 2 he can stay one more year and be a 2 behind Cook
In other news Casey Thompson is starting at FAU for Tom Herman it seems. full circle
He should tear that league up. Do they play 2nd half of games out there?
i hear he has a top of the line pee chart installed.
Tommy boy is right where he belongs. A group of 5 coach.
I'm not going to rewind the tape and name names of those that thought Tommy was a good hire....those of you have suffered enough.
But that dude has a stink on him that is likely to never wash off.
