The Eyes of Texas

[HornNation101]

I’m not saying we need to erase history but our university is not destined to live in the past. We should evolve and continue to improve. Why should we continue to have traditions that alienate our current student body. I have to say I agree with the athletes. What good does this do to continue with these practices. We have grown and continued to learn from our past mistakes. Let’s move on.

The Eyes of Texas is NOT racist. Anyone who says otherwise is ignorant. I can tell you that changing that song is way off in left field thinking and will be met with serious repercussions. Just because some nut professor says it is racist is complete bs. Should we only allow this professor to tell us what is good or bad? Should he tell us what to eat and what to drink to avoid offending anyone? Notice how one of the demands from the players wanted money for BLM? Yep the old evil money will make everything better. Complete bs. The entire BLM purpose right now is to coerce money out of people, governments, businesses and schools. One alleged murder (he is not convicted of murder yet so it is alleged) by a bad cop does not equate the daily murders that blacks commit every day in Chicago, mostly against other blacks. Funny how the Eyes of Texas has been played for 70 years and only this year it suddenly alienates? Evolving and improving is not achieved by deleting songs or statutes. The Eyes of Texas was not a mistake of a song either. I cannot believe I am even having to write this out but your post was beyond the pale.

 

[2300 Nueces]

I am ashamed of and offended by Martin Luther King Jr.. He was a philanderer and adulterer posing as a "Reverend". Rename the streets and tear down the statues.

https://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-tapes-allege-mlk-watched-rape-2019-5

Is this behavior "normal" and "natural" to the black culture? It sure seems so.... Especially if one were to listen to rap music for any period of time. Rap music is violent, anti-social, and abhorrent and should be removed from the earth.

Crimes against women are hideous things.

 

[StrangerHorn]

I am ashamed of and offended by Martin Luther King Jr.. He was a philanderer and adulterer posing as a "Reverend". Rename the streets and tear down the statues.

https://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-tapes-allege-mlk-watched-rape-2019-5

Is this behavior "normal" and "natural" to the black culture? It sure seems so.... Especially if one were to listen to rap music for any period of time. It's abhorrent and should be removed from the earth.

It will always be 19th street!

 

[dj701919]

I’m not saying we need to erase history but our university is not destined to live in the past. We should evolve and continue to improve. Why should we continue to have traditions that alienate our current student body. I have to say I agree with the athletes. What good does this do to continue with these practices. We have grown and continued to learn from our past mistakes. Let’s move on.

The guy that stirred up all this shite has stated that "The Eyes of Texas" is not racist.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.kh...ined/285-d1929725-99a9-4013-8c4b-9c88e0c9312f

"I've Been Working on the Railroad" is racist and they share the same melody. Therefore, "The Eyes of Texas" is racist.

Do you not see the flaw in that logic?

We better get rid of anything that is red, white and blue, because those colors are racist.

Say goodbye to soul food, rope, white linen, and anything made with cotton.

 

[weevilcatch]

In 2015 their were approximately 53.5 Million interactions between the police and the public.

In 2015 their were approximately 1250 officer related killings.

That's means that in 2015, that means that .00235% of all police interaction resulted in an officer related killing.


In this country, we treat the outlier as the norm and the norm as the outlier.

That’s too damn many

 

[clob94]

A time to reflect, A time for change
The recent events have brought many things into focus. Our history, customs, and how we treat and make each other feel. From the loss of human interaction experienced from the Covid-19 global pandemic to the connection and outrage we are all experiencing from the police brutality and failed systems that allowed the death of George Floyd.
Reading through many of the comments posted to the response of the UT football players letter to the University of Texas, I feel that I need to speak up because I just don't understand the divide on this issue.
Growing up a white male there is no doubt i have had the opportunities that others have not been provided. Is that to say that I’ve gotten where I am due to a lack of hard work….No. The University of Texas taught me that. Race was a big part of my University experience and a big change from my suburban high school upbringing that had very little multi cultural exposure.
Engineering at UT was a global mix of students, on an equal playing field, all striving for the same goal of achieving a diploma regardless of race or background. This doesn’t seem to have always have been the case. Reading about celebrated racist professors and subtle racist undertones in The Eyes of Texas that continue to alienate members of our student body had never crossed my mind until now.
Now is a time to reflect, learn, and make our University better. Traditions and celebrations from the past that alienate our student body will damage the overall health to our University. The need to continue honoring such people and traditions needs and has to stop. Does doing something drastic like eliminating a song that we have spent the majority of our lives singing and have a connection to feel strange. Yes. Will most of us miss it at first. Yes. But can we all learn a new song and be proud of the new traditions that we create. YES!
I can still recall countless nights, walking back to my dorm wondering if i was good enough and if I could compete at the standards that the University demanded. It was times like these that I would stop at the tower and read, "Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free”. I would mainly think about these words at face value as they gave me the the strength to keep working harder to endure the grueling course work and high standards that the University demanded.
Buildings and statues should honor those that we respect while songs should bring us together in unity. Isolating our students or alumni no matter how big or small should not be what we stand for. I encourage you all to take this time to reflect and think about how important this time is to all of us and the University.
Again even though it will feel strange and the campus will look and sound different. I hope that when my kids are touring the campus in the future I will be able to tell them of all the changes that were made since I attended the University and look up at the tower and say to them that we found the truth, and it set us free to change the University for the better.
It is time for us to live up to our reputation and standards because what starts here changes the world,
Hook ‘em Class of 2002

This is what Whitey McCrackerson looks like.

 

[Iitbhorn3]

The more I hear of the history behind the Eyes of Texas and the songs it is based on....
I support putting an end to that tradition....

https://247sports.com/college/texas...ck-student-athletes-Eyes-of-Texas--148125568/

This might be the one thing that Herman needs to bring the locker room together again.
The present is far more important than tradition - especially one with such offensive undertones.

Some more excerpts from Wiki ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eyes_of_Texas )
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John Sinclair wrote the Texas-specific song lyrics in 1903 to the tune of the original folk song, "I've Been Working on the Railroad," that was published nine years earlier in 1894. Sinclair was the editor of the Cactus yearbook and a UT band member, and he wrote the lyrics per the request of band member Lewis Johnson. Johnson was also the program director of the Varsity Minstrel Show that raised funds for the university track team. He debuted the song at the minstrel show, also known as a blackface performance. [1]
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If you follow the links to 'minstrel show' and 'blackface', most reasonable people will very much support putting an end to this tradition.

I will certainly miss it - but every time I do, it will serve as a reminder for me to shed my own prejudices and remind me that I may unconsciously be hurting others.

It would be best for the fans to get behind this.
It is not a matter of "if" this will happen -- more a matter of "when".

 

[Iitbhorn3]

The guy that stirred up all this shite has stated that "The Eyes of Texas" is not racist.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.kh...ined/285-d1929725-99a9-4013-8c4b-9c88e0c9312f

"I've Been Working on the Railroad" is racist and they share the same melody. Therefore, "The Eyes of Texas" is racist.

Do you not see the flaw in that logic?

We better get rid of anything that is red, white and blue, because those colors are racist.

Say goodbye to soul food, rope, white linen, and anything made with cotton.

You are seeing it only from your point of view....

 

[dj701919]

You are seeing it only from your point of view....

I guess I'm not as "woke" as you.

We should totally throw out a song that has been part of our tradition for 117 years and is a unique symbol of school spirit. A song that our athletes and students of all color have stood side by side and sung in a unified depiction of pride in The University of Texas.

Why? Because the guys that created the song were racist? That doesn't make over a hundred years of history racist.

I need someone to help me out, because I'm evidently to stoopid to get it. I thought racism was the belief that someone was superior/inferior to others because of their race. I can't find the definition that says that anything that offends someone of another race is racist.

I wish I knew how to do a poll, because I would love to know the percentage of students and alumni have been singing "The Eyes of Texas" as a symbol of racial superiority.

 

[2300 Nueces]

The more I hear of the history behind the Eyes of Texas and the songs it is based on....
I support putting an end to that tradition....

https://247sports.com/college/texas...ck-student-athletes-Eyes-of-Texas--148125568/

This might be the one thing that Herman needs to bring the locker room together again.
The present is far more important than tradition - especially one with such offensive undertones.

Some more excerpts from Wiki ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eyes_of_Texas )
--------
John Sinclair wrote the Texas-specific song lyrics in 1903 to the tune of the original folk song, "I've Been Working on the Railroad," that was published nine years earlier in 1894. Sinclair was the editor of the Cactus yearbook and a UT band member, and he wrote the lyrics per the request of band member Lewis Johnson. Johnson was also the program director of the Varsity Minstrel Show that raised funds for the university track team. He debuted the song at the minstrel show, also known as a blackface performance. [1]
--------

If you follow the links to 'minstrel show' and 'blackface', most reasonable people will very much support putting an end to this tradition.

I will certainly miss it - but every time I do, it will serve as a reminder for me to shed my own prejudices and remind me that I may unconsciously be hurting others.

It would be best for the fans to get behind this.
It is not a matter of "if" this will happen -- more a matter of "when".

Good Lord, we have another one. I hear they are giving passports away to the republic of chaz at the austin post office. Why don't you go and never come back. They play rap there 247. You can get an IQ boost.

 

[2300 Nueces]

That’s too damn many

You ever have a black man put a gun to your head and rob you?

 

[Iitbhorn3]

I guess I'm not as "woke" as you.

We should totally throw out a song that has been part of our tradition for 117 years and is a unique symbol of school spirit. A song that our athletes and students of all color have stood side by side and sung in a unified depiction of pride in The University of Texas.

Why? Because the guys that created the song were racist? That doesn't make over a hundred years of history racist.

I need someone to help me out, because I'm evidently to stoopid to get it. I thought racism was the belief that someone was superior/inferior to others because of their race. I can't find the definition that says that anything that offends someone of another race is racist.

I wish I knew how to do a poll, because I would love to know the percentage of students and alumni have been singing "The Eyes of Texas" as a symbol of racial superiority.

You are right. Your idea of what is racism is fairly restricted.

And yes, a symbol of 117 years can be thrown away in a moment if it is rooted in such racial undertones. I have been singing it for decades. After we thumped Georgia, I paid musicians to play that in restaurants. I have paid school bands play that in the Caribbean. But, I was not aware of its roots.
It is time for change.

If anything, you should be proud to be a part of a generation that questioned its traditions and ensured inclusiveness.

 

[dj701919]

You are right. Your idea of what is racism is fairly restricted.

And yes, a symbol of 117 years can be thrown away in a moment if it is rooted in such racial undertones. I have been singing it for decades. After we thumped Georgia, I paid musicians to play that in restaurants. I have paid school bands play that in the Caribbean. But, I was not aware of its roots.
It is time for change.

If anything, you should be proud to be a part of a generation that questioned its traditions and ensured inclusiveness.

Can you please give me the real definition of racism, so I can better educate myself?

 

[2300 Nueces]

I think we found litbhorn3.

Give me my bicycle.... bwa ha ha ha

 

[LonghornMM]

So suddenly The Eyes is "racist". Now, all of the sudden. If it's racist, then its been racist all of these years. Where was the outcry against it for the last 117 years? It's time for people to stand up against these types of unfounded and ridiculous demands. If we don't stand up to this kind of thing, they are going to continue to ask for more and more. Statues, history, historical names of things, reparations, flags, etc. This has gotten way out of hand. Enough is enough!

 

[clob94]

The more I hear of the history behind the Eyes of Texas and the songs it is based on....
I support putting an end to that tradition....

https://247sports.com/college/texas...ck-student-athletes-Eyes-of-Texas--148125568/

This might be the one thing that Herman needs to bring the locker room together again.
The present is far more important than tradition - especially one with such offensive undertones.

Some more excerpts from Wiki ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eyes_of_Texas )
--------
John Sinclair wrote the Texas-specific song lyrics in 1903 to the tune of the original folk song, "I've Been Working on the Railroad," that was published nine years earlier in 1894. Sinclair was the editor of the Cactus yearbook and a UT band member, and he wrote the lyrics per the request of band member Lewis Johnson. Johnson was also the program director of the Varsity Minstrel Show that raised funds for the university track team. He debuted the song at the minstrel show, also known as a blackface performance. [1]
--------

If you follow the links to 'minstrel show' and 'blackface', most reasonable people will very much support putting an end to this tradition.

I will certainly miss it - but every time I do, it will serve as a reminder for me to shed my own prejudices and remind me that I may unconsciously be hurting others.

It would be best for the fans to get behind this.
It is not a matter of "if" this will happen -- more a matter of "when".

Because there are a limited number of notes that can be played in music, and because pitch and tone and note are limited, there are only certain combinations of these that are considered pleasurable to the human ear.

Because of that, many songs have been adapted or hijacked and turned into other songs. Today's Black musicians have become famous for doing this. It's now called "sampling", and it's done across the spectrum of music. Fun fact, James Brown, Ray Charles, Elvis Presley-- some of the most "sampled" artists of all time, had many of their songs, both rhythm and lyrics, that derived from gospel, blues and other old timey music. Some of those songs were old "slaver" songs that blacks had adapted and turned into their own version that they could sing in the field while picking crops.
Where did the Slavers get their rhythm and some of their lyrics from? They sampled old tavern drinking songs and changed the words to make their new songs.

So let's follow the chain here--

Old tavern drinking songs were sampled by--
Slave owners who sang songs while marching slaves to market and then--
Slaves borrowed those songs and turned them into field songs they sang as slaves which was then---
Sampled and turned into blues and some gospel style songs after slavery ended which was then--
Sampled by the likes of James Brown, Ray Charles and Elvis in their respective music which led to---
Modern day artists sampling from music icons like these guys to give some of our best selling modern day songs.


By this rational, pretty much any music that's gospel, R&B or soul, comes from racist roots. Now do we throw the baby out with the bath water, or do we recognize that something bad can be made to something good? The choice is yours.

Oh and btw, one of the most iconic songs in the history of the world, used to be a drinking song in taverns.

You know it as "The Star Spangled Banner"----- our national anthem.

 

[Iitbhorn3]

Can you please give me the real definition of racism, so I can better educate myself?

I struggle with this myself.

Simply put, to me it is a prejudice.

If you are sincere in your question, then for starters look up this thread and see which posts seem to be rooted in prejudice. Then ask yourself if you associate with that.

 

[2300 Nueces]

I struggle with this myself.

Simply put, to me it is a prejudice.

If you are sincere in your question, then for starters look up this thread and see which posts seem to be rooted in prejudice. Then ask yourself if you associate with that.

Really? I don't like cauliflower but I don't feel guilty about it. The sooner you are able to make color blind judgments the better you will be. You are giving some people a pass because of their color.

 

[Iitbhorn3]

Because there are a limited number of notes that can be played in music, and because pitch and tone and note are limited, there are only certain combinations of these that are considered pleasurable to the human ear.

Because of that, many songs have been adapted or hijacked and turned into other songs. Today's Black musicians have become famous for doing this. It's now called "sampling", and it's done across the spectrum of music. Fun fact, James Brown, Ray Charles, Elvis Presley-- some of the most "sampled" artists of all time, had many of their songs, both rhythm and lyrics, that derived from gospel, blues and other old timey music. Some of those songs were old "slaver" songs that blacks had adapted and turned into their own version that they could sing in the field while picking crops.
Where did the Slavers get their rhythm and some of their lyrics from? They sampled old tavern drinking songs and changed the words to make their new songs.

So let's follow the chain here--

Old tavern drinking songs were sampled by--
Slave owners who sang songs while marching slaves to market and then--
Slaves borrowed those songs and turned them into field songs they sang as slaves which was then---
Sampled and turned into blues and some gospel style songs after slavery ended which was then--
Sampled by the likes of James Brown, Ray Charles and Elvis in their respective music which led to---
Modern day artists sampling from music icons like these guys to give some of our best selling modern day songs.


By this rational, pretty much any music that's gospel, R&B or soul, comes from racist roots. Now do we throw the baby out with the bath water, or do we recognize that something bad can be made to something good? The choice is yours.

Oh and btw, one of the most iconic songs in the history of the world, used to be a drinking song in taverns.

You know it as "The Star Spangled Banner"----- our national anthem.

Good points, club. You are one of the very few intellectuals on this board.

There is a specific issue around TEOT.

If we expect black athletes to represent our school we have to ensure that our traditions are respectful and respectable.
It takes a lot of strength to question tradition. These young athletes have done well in raising a point that has occurred to many in the past decades but nobody spoke of it.

What is your response to them?

 

[dj701919]

I struggle with this myself.

Simply put, to me it is a prejudice.

If you are sincere in your question, then for starters look up this thread and see which posts seem to be rooted in prejudice. Then ask yourself if you associate with that.

So here's my problem.

While I agree that racism and prejudice are synonyms, neither definition has the word offend in it.

Just because someone finds something offensive, does not make that racist.

I find the performance of "The Eyes of Texas" in black face offensive and racist. That doesn't make the song offensive and racist. The song was not written with the intent of communicating racism or prejudice and it has not been sung at the end of games to signify racial superiority.

If you want to find the personification of racism and prejudice, you need to look at the guy at the epicenter of this debate. A professor with an agenda that is planting the seeds in 18 - 19 year old kids.

 

[Iitbhorn3]

Really? I don't like cauliflower but I don't feel guilty about it. The sooner you are able to make color blind judgments the better you will be. You are giving some people a pass because of their color.

I am only giving you a pass because you are too stupid. That is you specifically. Not your race or color.

 

[LonghornMM]

Good points, club. You are one of the very few intellectuals on this board.

There is a specific issue around TEOT.

If we expect black athletes to represent our school we have to ensure that our traditions are respectful and respectable.
It takes a lot of strength to question tradition. These young athletes have done well in raising a point that has occurred to many in the past decades but nobody spoke of it.

What is your response to them?

Really? Now you're going to try to insult fellow OB posters? Just stop.

 

[oldhorn2]

Because there are a limited number of notes that can be played in music, and because pitch and tone and note are limited, there are only certain combinations of these that are considered pleasurable to the human ear.

Because of that, many songs have been adapted or hijacked and turned into other songs. Today's Black musicians have become famous for doing this. It's now called "sampling", and it's done across the spectrum of music. Fun fact, James Brown, Ray Charles, Elvis Presley-- some of the most "sampled" artists of all time, had many of their songs, both rhythm and lyrics, that derived from gospel, blues and other old timey music. Some of those songs were old "slaver" songs that blacks had adapted and turned into their own version that they could sing in the field while picking crops.
Where did the Slavers get their rhythm and some of their lyrics from? They sampled old tavern drinking songs and changed the words to make their new songs.

So let's follow the chain here--

Old tavern drinking songs were sampled by--
Slave owners who sang songs while marching slaves to market and then--
Slaves borrowed those songs and turned them into field songs they sang as slaves which was then---
Sampled and turned into blues and some gospel style songs after slavery ended which was then--
Sampled by the likes of James Brown, Ray Charles and Elvis in their respective music which led to---
Modern day artists sampling from music icons like these guys to give some of our best selling modern day songs.


By this rational, pretty much any music that's gospel, R&B or soul, comes from racist roots. Now do we throw the baby out with the bath water, or do we recognize that something bad can be made to something good? The choice is yours.

Oh and btw, one of the most iconic songs in the history of the world, used to be a drinking song in taverns.

You know it as "The Star Spangled Banner"----- our national anthem.

Clob...this reminds me of Sony music sueing George Harrison( and winning by the way) When they successfully argued that his song My Sweet Lord stole the first 3 notes of a Carol King Song (which they owned the rights to) ...One fine Day....

True, the first 3 notes are the same......big deal......There are only 8 notes after all....Still George lost.

 

[dj701919]

The University published its Gameday play list last year:

https://news.utexas.edu/2019/10/17/music-game-day-playlist/

One of the songs on the play list is Millidelphia by Meek Mills. Let me give you a small sample of the song:

Who really popping shit? (popping shit)
Came to your city and got it lit? (got it lit)
All of these pretty hoes I done hit (pretty hoes)
You better pray that I got a bitch (got a bitch)
I show no mercy on n***as' hoes (n***as' hoes)
All I gotta do is just like a pic' (woo)
If you a opp, I'ma buy your bitch (buy your bitch)
This for the trap, this's not a hit (woo)
N***a, I'ma icon living, huh
Jumping on the chopper outta prison, huh
Bunch of supermodels wanna visit, huh
I'ma let her lover get a picture, huh

Has anyone seen the demand to ensure that all music played at sporting events is non-offensive and inclusive or are we just after the one that will draw the most attention?

 

[2300 Nueces]

I am only giving you a pass because you are too stupid. That is you specifically. Not your race or color.

Bring it, tough guy. Your guilt ridden narratives are easy to dismantle. Keep trying. You seem to be sensitive to the "racist" injustices of the world but give others a pass. Why is that?

 

[2300 Nueces]

Good points, club. You are one of the very few intellectuals on this board.

There is a specific issue around TEOT.

If we expect black athletes to represent our school we have to ensure that our traditions are respectful and respectable.
It takes a lot of strength to question tradition. These young athletes have done well in raising a point that has occurred to many in the past decades but nobody spoke of it.

What is your response to them?

Stop listening to music that values women as property?

 

[clob94]

Good points, club. You are one of the very few intellectuals on this board.

There is a specific issue around TEOT.

If we expect black athletes to represent our school we have to ensure that our traditions are respectful and respectable.
It takes a lot of strength to question tradition. These young athletes have done well in raising a point that has occurred to many in the past decades but nobody spoke of it.

What is your response to them?

My response is two fold:

First, we have to be consistent across the board. If we are showing respect to people because of their race by not playing certain songs, then we have to be equally respectful of someone gender or sexual preference. So that means any songs being derogatory to women, or making gay references, or glorifying any sort of violence or illegal drug use must be eliminated. We can't show respect to one group and not to another.

Second-- as far as this university is concerned, it has come a LONG way from its beginnings (as most universities have) and if we are constantly using present day as a measuring stick for past behavior, and summarily judging our past by holding up our present as a benchmark, I've got some really bad news for you-----

You need to take the deed to your home, any land you own, and I mean any land, and turn that over to whatever indigenous tribe that used to occupy that land--- going back 20,000 years if need be. Your home is built on land that doesn't belong to you. Land that was stolen from its original occupants.

Once people who are calling for the proper treatment of individuals that "white privilege" has slighted the MOST start giving their homes and land over to the rightful owners, then and only then can we start having a conversation about righting the original wrongs created by our society.

What say you? Will you be the first to accept this fact that I've laid out? Or would you prefer we try to stop correcting the past and work on building the proper future?

 

[weevilcatch]

You ever have a black man put a gun to your head and rob you?

So you're cool with unarmed people being shot and killed by police? I mean, like really?

 

[brushycreekhorn]

There are a lot of dangerous people that don’t need to be “armed” to kill you.

 

[clob94]

So you're cool with unarmed people being shot and killed by police? I mean, like really?

I don't think that's what he's saying.

I think he's saying that at some point in his life a man robbed him at gun point.

 

[weevilcatch]

I don't think that's what he's saying.

I think he's saying that at some point in his life a man robbed him at gun point.

That would be a shame and I hate that, but that is completely irrelevant to what I posted and what he responded to.

 

[weevilcatch]

There are a lot of dangerous people that don’t need to be “armed” to kill you.

Well shit, lets just say forget the constitution and start executing people based on assumption.

Hell of a plan!

 

[dj701919]

That’s too damn many

When I originally read this, I thought you were being facetious. Do you really think that number is too high?

What is an acceptable number, because it can't be zero. It is inherently impossible to completeky eradicate this problem. You have got to be willing to accept that, no matter how tragic, this will happen again.

There is no solution that can change that fact.

 

[iitbhorn4]

My response is two fold:

First, we have to be consistent across the board. If we are showing respect to people because of their race by not playing certain songs, then we have to be equally respectful of someone gender or sexual preference. So that means any songs being derogatory to women, or making gay references, or glorifying any sort of violence or illegal drug use must be eliminated. We can't show respect to one group and not to another.

Second-- as far as this university is concerned, it has come a LONG way from its beginnings (as most universities have) and if we are constantly using present day as a measuring stick for past behavior, and summarily judging our past by holding up our present as a benchmark, I've got some really bad news for you-----

You need to take the deed to your home, any land you own, and I mean any land, and turn that over to whatever indigenous tribe that used to occupy that land--- going back 20,000 years if need be. Your home is built on land that doesn't belong to you. Land that was stolen from its original occupants.

Once people who are calling for the proper treatment of individuals that "white privilege" has slighted the MOST start giving their homes and land over to the rightful owners, then and only then can we start having a conversation about righting the original wrongs created by our society.

What say you? Will you be the first to accept this fact that I've laid out? Or would you prefer we try to stop correcting the past and work on building the proper future?

Sorry for delay.....MM had prevented me from posting because of my comment to Nueces. But, he failed to see Nueces' comment earlier.....
I fully expect him to block this account as well. But, I wanted to respond to your respectful post.

I completely agree with your point about disrespect towards women and other groups. I would very much expect Texas to disassociate itself from creators of such music. So, I am with you on your first point.

On your second point, I purchased my home and have a title to show for it. If and when there is a challenge to the title for reasons you cited, I will gladly have that conversation. From my understanding, that is why we purchase Title Insurance in the first place. So, I am not disagreeing with you on the second point. When the situation presents itself, I'll face it based on the merits of the claim and follow due process..

One important point, the past can NEVER be corrected. I do not see this step as The only thing we really have is the present.

Let me phrase the question differently to you.... If the Eyes of Texas was not a part of the Texas tradition and knowing what you do now about its origins, would you approve of it being made one today?

 

[iitbhorn4]

Stop listening to music that values women as property?

I never have and never will.