Tom Herman Thread
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Nah I'll think he'll do well here. and after 3 years he will be better than Charlie's pathetic 16-21 record.
I don't think Strong is going to try to get another job that quickly, if he did he loses most of that 10 million. But then again, I still think he is a good coach in a tough situation (created mostly by himself) and this go around he will have learned something from his mistakes at Texas.
No, and here is why.
1. Charlie Strong was building something really good here, it's not like how the program was when Mack took over.
2. We have a legit QB, we have a legit QB committed, and we have a legit QB said to be transferring in. Year 1 and 2 of the Charlie Strong era didn't have a real QB to work with.
3. We are in a strong offensive league and Tom Herman is a fantastic offensive mind.
4. He has the backing of both the boosters and Mack Brown, that is going to buy him time.
5. He will get more time because no one wants to go through this again that soon.
You do not have any idea more than a goat what Herman will do.History states Texas will not stay down.
Reasons #4 and #5 may need to be #1 and #2 in you list Son of Wasatch. Even at Texas, $10 million buyouts start to add up. That fact, combined with the fact that the boosters seem to like him, will keep him around for the term of the contract.
Another thing...we all need to remember that your pick for HFC is a crapshoot at best. I've seen alot of talk about Dabo on the board. If you'll recall he was the WR coach at Clemson when he was named the interim HC. Guy had not even been the OC. Clemson liked what they saw, took a gamble and stuck with him. Been a pretty good decision IMO.
Let's all give this a shot and see where it goes. I think we'll be pleasantly surprised.
Another thing...we all need to remember that your pick for HFC is a crapshoot at best. I've seen alot of talk about Dabo on the board. If you'll recall he was the WR coach at Clemson when he was named the interim HC. Guy had not even been the OC. Clemson liked what they saw, took a gamble and stuck with him. Been a pretty good decision IMO.
Let's all give this a shot and see where it goes. I think we'll be pleasantly surprised.
Waaaaaaay too early to be worried about whether the players will warm up to Herman or not.
What did CS say to the players on the way out? Where does he end up, and how soon? Do the players and recruits gel with Herman and respect the staff he's putting together? How happy are they at UT-Austin? Any girlfriend(s) at Texas? At other schools?
For Herman to hit the ground running, he wants good answers to those questions. Otherwise, players and recruits will look elsewhere, and he'll have a tough go of it.
At this point, it's premature to predict Herman's success.
For Herman to hit the ground running, he wants good answers to those questions. Otherwise, players and recruits will look elsewhere, and he'll have a tough go of it.
At this point, it's premature to predict Herman's success.
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I've seen a few coaching changes, starting with Fred Akers. Every time one goes out some of his players also leave. That is just part of the process. The real players who hated losing more than anyone will probably stay. There were guys who losing didn't affect, but who were more upset that their coach got canned. They will likely leave. There were those that couldn't compete, or were made promises and now they are gone. Those players will also leave.
Either we continue down the same road or make a change and cut our losses. I'm glad we made a change.
If a player cares more about the coach that couldn't get the school you committed to a winning record at least 1 time out of 3 tries then it maybe time for you to leave anyway. Those players weren't committing to the University of Texas and an education but more to a person that may not be apart of their life after graduation. Oh to be a young adult again!
You realize that guy's mentality is what led to our 3 year argument? Herman hasn't even gotten a chance to do anything and people are already bailing on him.
Nobody on this board had any real clue on what it takes to be a head coach of a college program, yet we throw around opinions like we are experts. That's the main reason why I wanted to give Strong more time. If Urban Meyer and Lou Holtz say you can coach, who am I to say differently.
That being said, I fully understand the rationale to change and have excepted the decision. I hope a majority of us will wait until after watching the Spring game before we start evaluating his client clock management skills.
Then why don't you quit posting on here and follow strong's ass to where ever he goes. You must be absolutely stupid. STRONG IS GONE. HE ISN'T GETTING MORE TIME!!!
LET IT GO!
You say you understand the decision, but you really don't. I've posted on here many times how much I like the man, but he sucked as a head coach here. I don't give a shit what Lou Holtz or Urban Meyer think about him.
My ex-mother-in-law loves my ex-wife and thinks she is just a wonderful person. That doesn't change my opinion of her.
The facts are he was 16-21 has a head coach at the University of Texas. That will never cut it. Blanked by KSU! Blanked by ISU! Lost to Kansas.
I'm sorry, he was in over his head.
I wish the man nothing but the best, but he is gone and you need to accept it or follow him to his new school.
Lou Holtz told Charlie he couldn't say no. Not saying Charlie couldn't coach but for one of your mentors to tell you this is an opportunity you have to take no matter if you're ready is different than just saying you can coach. Charlie can coach just not at this school with these types of pressures and other responsibilities that go along with it. I like Charlie and I supported him as well but come on! Not a winning record at ALL.
Will Herman get it done in 3 years? Only time will tell. If players bolt, it only gets harder as depth will not be an option years 1 and 2. No depth in the big 12 = no win. He is going to have to make it happen and keep kids around. The one caveat is if the boosters give him more than 3 years unlike Strong. Even if the boosters do, the Strong supporters won't and it will be a bad situation. IMO, he has to keep all the players and have 7+ wins next year or it gets ugly fast.
Winning records will shut up most. If he does a 5-7, 5-7, 5-7 I'd expect him to be gone. But if he flips those and we see progress in the right direction then he stays. Here's the problem with Strongs record. IT DID NOT GET BETTER it stayed flat on the losing end.
He doesn't have to keep all the players. That is out of his control if they want out.
Show them the door, that's soft in nature...
I've seen a few people mention this and never any names....
I'll put 1K on it, get back to me in 1095 days to pay up...
I have seen several players on twitter make comments such as "Balls to the wall for Herman, just like Strong" "longhorn for life" etc..these comments were made by Vahe, Kris Boyd, and several other players that I would consider leaders on the team. Jefferson and Roach are all onboard, Ehlinger is on board...the kids who are leading this program are on board. There will probably be some 3rd and maybe 2nd string guys who think they can go play elsewhere leave, but that happens every year regardless of coaching change.
Also, I saw a comment earlier about Heard moving back to QB...if Herman can make Greg Ward Jr. a name that is brought up in Heisman conversations, then I think he could work with what Heard brings to the table. Ward was a poor man's Heard when they were recruited. Now I'm not saying move him to QB, but if that was our only option I wouldn't hate it.
Also, I saw a comment earlier about Heard moving back to QB...if Herman can make Greg Ward Jr. a name that is brought up in Heisman conversations, then I think he could work with what Heard brings to the table. Ward was a poor man's Heard when they were recruited. Now I'm not saying move him to QB, but if that was our only option I wouldn't hate it.
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Attrition was coming, with or without change and it won't be from the 2 deep.
Every time there is a change like this, you can bet there will be losses.
Lets look at this position by position.
QB - Buechele is here to stay. Merrick, I have no idea, but no one is counting on him for more than just a backup. Ehlinger is pretty committed.
This position seems pretty solid.
RB - Warren might transfer, they seem to have tied themselves to strong. Houston is going to transfer, but that seems more like an issue with normal attrition. Kirk Johnson isn't going anywhere, and I would be very surprised to see Kyle Porter go anywhere either.
I could see Warren leaving, but he is a guy that can't stay healthy so I don't really count on him much at this point.
Oline - Connor Williams, and Zach Shack aren't going anywhere. Hodges and Nickelson aren't going anywhere. I can't see Vahe or Mcmillon leaving either. The young guys like Hudson, Delance, and Okafur I have no idea what is going on in their minds.
We might lose 2 or 3 guys from this group, but we are still pretty deep here.
WR - Collin Johnson, Armani Foreman aren't going anywhere, neither are Heard, Joe, Oliver, or Leonard. I highly doubt Duvernay or his brother leave. Frankly, this is the one group that will only have attrition due to lack of playing time. Tom Herman's offense is one of the best passing offenses in the country, guys would be crazy to not want to play in it.
TE - Not sure how much Herman's offense uses the TE and we don't have much talent here to begin with, but I don't see anyone leaving.
DE - Hagar and Roach aren't going anywhere. Charles Omenihu took the loss of CS pretty hard, I could see him leaving, except he was a pretty big part of his class. He also only has 2 years of eligibility left leaving might not be an option. Hughes isn't going anywhere. Not sure about Andrew Fitzgerald, he might leave but mainly because of attrition.
DT - This is where we might see a couple guys leave. We are wide open for playing time but there were a lot of guys that could go from that freshmen class. This is where we really need to watch and see where they are.
LB - Jefferson and Wheeler aren't going anywhere. Boyd isn't going anywhere either. The two guys to worry about might be Jeffery McCulloch and Eric Fowler. I don't know where they are in this, but both seemed to have come to Texas specifically because of coach Strong.
DB- Boyd isn't going anywhere. Davante Davis and Holton Hill are both going to be juniors and I just can't see either of them leaving now. I also don't see Elliott or Locke leaving either. If John Bonney or Antwan Davis leave it will be due to attrition.
Brandon Jones and Eric Cuffee are the two I'm worried about
Overall I see maybe one guys leaving due the CS decision.
Outside of the DT position, I don't see us losing too many guys. I'd put the over/under on this to be about 5 guys.
Lets look at this position by position.
QB - Buechele is here to stay. Merrick, I have no idea, but no one is counting on him for more than just a backup. Ehlinger is pretty committed.
This position seems pretty solid.
RB - Warren might transfer, they seem to have tied themselves to strong. Houston is going to transfer, but that seems more like an issue with normal attrition. Kirk Johnson isn't going anywhere, and I would be very surprised to see Kyle Porter go anywhere either.
I could see Warren leaving, but he is a guy that can't stay healthy so I don't really count on him much at this point.
Oline - Connor Williams, and Zach Shack aren't going anywhere. Hodges and Nickelson aren't going anywhere. I can't see Vahe or Mcmillon leaving either. The young guys like Hudson, Delance, and Okafur I have no idea what is going on in their minds.
We might lose 2 or 3 guys from this group, but we are still pretty deep here.
WR - Collin Johnson, Armani Foreman aren't going anywhere, neither are Heard, Joe, Oliver, or Leonard. I highly doubt Duvernay or his brother leave. Frankly, this is the one group that will only have attrition due to lack of playing time. Tom Herman's offense is one of the best passing offenses in the country, guys would be crazy to not want to play in it.
TE - Not sure how much Herman's offense uses the TE and we don't have much talent here to begin with, but I don't see anyone leaving.
DE - Hagar and Roach aren't going anywhere. Charles Omenihu took the loss of CS pretty hard, I could see him leaving, except he was a pretty big part of his class. He also only has 2 years of eligibility left leaving might not be an option. Hughes isn't going anywhere. Not sure about Andrew Fitzgerald, he might leave but mainly because of attrition.
DT - This is where we might see a couple guys leave. We are wide open for playing time but there were a lot of guys that could go from that freshmen class. This is where we really need to watch and see where they are.
LB - Jefferson and Wheeler aren't going anywhere. Boyd isn't going anywhere either. The two guys to worry about might be Jeffery McCulloch and Eric Fowler. I don't know where they are in this, but both seemed to have come to Texas specifically because of coach Strong.
DB- Boyd isn't going anywhere. Davante Davis and Holton Hill are both going to be juniors and I just can't see either of them leaving now. I also don't see Elliott or Locke leaving either. If John Bonney or Antwan Davis leave it will be due to attrition.
Brandon Jones and Eric Cuffee are the two I'm worried about
Overall I see maybe one guys leaving due the CS decision.
Outside of the DT position, I don't see us losing too many guys. I'd put the over/under on this to be about 5 guys.
Yes, everybody just needs to chill. The weak will weed themselves out just like under any other HC in the country. Attrition will happen, it does every year.
What we can be excited about is a strong core of players to build around for the next few years. Those players have the skill and talent, now they just have to be groomed and develop and make plays.
The ceiling for this team is extremely high, Strong couldn't get them there. Lets see if Herman can!
What we can be excited about is a strong core of players to build around for the next few years. Those players have the skill and talent, now they just have to be groomed and develop and make plays.
The ceiling for this team is extremely high, Strong couldn't get them there. Lets see if Herman can!
One thing to consider is you only get 5 years to play 4. If guys already used their red shirt year they will be down to 3 years where they can play. Some of those freshman sat out last year. Would be hard to transfer and have to sit out another year. I just don't see a mass exodus of players who would help us win games next year.
Honestly I think the people saying players will transfer are just a little bitter about Strong being fired. It's like saying "I TOLD YOU SO" without saying it.
I'm not trying to make this a political thing, but it reminds me of all those people that were saying how many bad things were going to happen because Donald Trump won the election.
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I believe I just heard that Chris Warren just received a "medical redshirt" year. Would this affect his possibility to transfer?
I believe I just heard that Chris Warren just received a "medical redshirt" year. Would this affect his possibility to transfer?
Different things. A 6th year is applied for when all eligibility is up, what they are doing with these two is just making last year a redshirt year even though they played some. So if granted Warren would be a RS sophomore next season.
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