Tom Herman Thread
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I think I may have been the one that started the debate in the other thread. In the end, I think my point is pretty close to yours. Although I wouldn't say we are top 10. Our facilities aren't horrible they just aren't top notch. Whatever facility battle victories get you we aren't winning. If we it's a recruiting edge for elite talent we aren't getting that edge if other e schools are in the mix.
EX TEXAS PLAYER MICHEAL HUFF WILL REMAIN ON THE TEXAS STAFF.
He will be one of our quality control coaches.
He will be one of our quality control coaches.
I didn't realize Huff was on staff. I would have tried him out coaching the secondary. Anyone would have been better than what Bedford was doing.
Yup but just a word of adivce. Some coaches in the state would consider hell and damn on par with other 4 letter words. I worked one year for a guy that made all players and coaches do 10 pushups for every cuss word said. After a freshman game I congratulated a young man for making " One hell of a play" to help seal a win in the 4th quarter ( DT batted a pass up in the air, bounced off a lineman helmet, same DT caught it, broke a few tackles and scored). The head coach was there and I was told that I would have to apologized to the team and do my push ups in the athletic period the next day.
Meh... Been around this thing for a long time and I've been under guys on both sides of it too. I don't think a private text message with a so called cuss word is that big of a deal. Even to a coach who doesn't like them.
Sick of reading about how they like to be told how special they are. With the implication that if you aren't constantly praising us we aren't going to let our athletes attend your programs. I was sick of it when Mack was here, and I was sick of it when Strong was hired and the articles were written of how the txhsfb coaches didn't have Strong's back, and I am sick of reading about how Herman gets it because he does have the support of txhsfb coaches.
Meanwhile every major program that depends the most on texas hs football players is in the dumps right now.
Texas high school coaches can be a fickle bunch but there is power in numbers. 10-12,000 coaches attended Coaching School each year. If a THSCA legislative alert goes out every state rep will get contacted by several coaches. Because of the rules in the state and the position and power that head coaches hold in their community high school coaches can be very influential. If you want to be welcomed on campus during spring ball or at the Stadiums on Friday nights then you need to make nice with the high school coaches. Strong understood this and in less than a year he was welcomed in the state. Guys like Mackovic and Francionie didn't understand it. Mackovic felt like he had to recruit California in order to be successful. Druing that time tons of Texas talent was leaving the state. Mack came in and spoke at coaching school and said that he could win a national championship with Texas talent and he did and was able to keep a ton of instate talent from leaving.
Matt Rhule up at Baylor understands this. He hired two Ex Baylor high school coaches on his staff. Look at the work Traylor has done with recruiting. The high school coaches basically told Houston to hire Applewhite over Kiffin because they wanted their players to play for him. The reason Texas has been down is Mack got lazy in recruiting and made poor decisions in QB recruiting. Strong recruited two pretty good classes but he just couldn't seem to coach them up.
Matt Rhule up at Baylor understands this. He hired two Ex Baylor high school coaches on his staff. Look at the work Traylor has done with recruiting. The high school coaches basically told Houston to hire Applewhite over Kiffin because they wanted their players to play for him. The reason Texas has been down is Mack got lazy in recruiting and made poor decisions in QB recruiting. Strong recruited two pretty good classes but he just couldn't seem to coach them up.
anyone under valuing the HS coach factor does so at their own risk. Fred Akers was a damned good coach. He was one muffed punt from a championship and and injured Campbell and Aikins from another. Then he got arogant and pissed off the Texas HS coaches and promptly couldnt recruit anyone any more....the was the end of Fred Akers, and he could/should have been a 20 year coach.
First off you are entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine. I respect your stance on the subject of txhsfb coaches and for speaking what you believe in and what you believe to be true.
1) Sick of reading about how they like to be told how special they are.
I don't think I've ever read this. Ever. But is it so wrong to get praised? Txhsfb coaches are the best in the country, bar none. More than half the country doesn't even have full time coaches. They work other jobs and put forth a crap result on the field. The other half the country works in private schools that recruit their players. Tx is the example for all hs sports and most other states try follow our model. Tx was the first state to pass the No Pass No Play rule for hs athletics. There are currently 18 states that still do not have this rule for public schools. Private schools it's usually up to the admin if their athletes can participate if they are failing courses. If an education is the goal then txhsfb coaches seem pretty special to me.
2) With the implication that if you aren't constantly praising us we aren't going to let our athletes attend your programs.
This sounds like false reporting. I would bet 99.9% of all Coaches want what is best for their players over praise for their own work, and whether that's attend college in state or out of state it doesn't matter. Every player is different and has different areas of importance when looking at where to go to school. Just like any normal college kid does. The underlying attribute is winning. Kids want to win. If a kid wants to win a Natty and compete for conference championships he's going to be steered to programs like OSU, Bama, and FSU. Texas hasn't been winning, thus Texas has been on the outside looking in for the states top recruits. Winning fixes everything, win and Texas will run the state again and keep top talent home.
3) I was sick of it when Mack was here, and I was sick of it when Strong was hired and the articles were written of how the txhsfb coaches didn't have Strong's back, and I am sick of reading about how Herman gets it because he does have the support of txhsfb coaches.
I don't remember Mack ever having a bad relationship with tsxhsfb coaches. He seemed to be thought highly of across the state. The Strong thing was blown way out of context. He was speaking at the DFW Regional Meeting in feb and was the key note speaker (his first meeting with txhsfb coaches since he had been hired, and the meeting where all these rumors started). Coaches in the past who had spoke like Sumlin, Briles, Kingsbury, Morris, etc usually talked for about an hour and had some sort of presentation to go over, sometimes X's and O's, sometimes leadership, sometimes program building, etc. I was at that meeting with Strong and he literally talked for about 15 minutes and then opened it up for questions. There was like 1 questions asked, and then he left. He didn't hang around and chat afterwards or anything like others had in the past. It was just weird and and rubbed a lot of coaches the wrong way. It was, admittingly, probably blown out proportion. But I think it was understood that he didn't know, it wasn't communicated to him, or he had a schedule conflict. Either way other coaches in the past found a way to make time.
4) Meanwhile every major program that depends the most on texas hs football players is in the dumps right now.
See 2nd point above. But to attribute the demise of programs in the state to txhsfb coaches is a stretch, especially with the likes of Baylor.
Saying a coach has Texas ties goes a long way in this state. Bc there's a lot that goes on in this state with the coaches behind the scenes that you don't know about and will never hear about. Recruiting is a can be a very dirty game and whats at stake is the lively hood and future of these kids.
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Damn, hell, and ass are in the Bible so they are okay.
That's what I used to tell my mom.
I tried that too....tried.....didn't work...lolDamn, hell, and ass are in the Bible so they are okay.
That's what I used to tell my mom.
This U of H thing is getting old. Now they want to negotiate a home and home with UT which will include lowering Tom Herman's buyout? LOL! REJECT!
My mom popped me in the car for singing with the radio playing Merle Haggard "Are the good times really over."
For those unfamilar with quality country, he says "rolling down hill like a snowball headed for hell."
One of my favorite Merle Haggard songs. It sounds like a lot of you had a mom just like mine. lol Wouldn't fall for none of that.
Joey McGuire to join Baylor staff with Rhule. Texas was on him but interest cooled. Don't know which side or why though. Home run hire for Rhule.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18287039/tom-herman-first-spring-texas-like
"This program is going to be really hard," Herman said. "Winning is hard."
After reading this I'm loving this attitude by Herman. He seems to bring a truly "It's my way or the highway" type discipline.
"This program is going to be really hard," Herman said. "Winning is hard."
After reading this I'm loving this attitude by Herman. He seems to bring a truly "It's my way or the highway" type discipline.
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Sounds like great program management by Herman. Never knew some of the stuff he focused on. A lot better than ping pong and nicknames.
The thing I keep reading over and over....no matter the context, is how organized Herman is. I even saw where one of the Mom's from this past weeks visit said that about him. I think that if Charlie had been just somewhat organized he would have won more games. I dont know if Herman will pan out, but he seems to be headed in the right direction.
Awesome how he told them not to talk to reporters and this gets leaked right afterward lol.
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but can you give me the full list of our coaching staff? What I really want to know about is the defensive coaches. I already know about Todd Orlando and Oscar Giles who are the others? I want to watch the defense closely this year. If Orlando and his coaches are good we might have a dominating defense I know the talent is there.
but can you give me the full list of our coaching staff? What I really want to know about is the defensive coaches. I already know about Todd Orlando and Oscar Giles who are the others? I want to watch the defense closely this year. If Orlando and his coaches are good we might have a dominating defense I know the talent is there.
Do you really not know how to go to the Texas Athletics website? http://texassports.com/sports/2013/7/26/FB_0726131126.aspx?path=football
The defensive coaches were all at UH the last two years. The UH defense is what you are going to get.
