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It's certainly ugly, but worse than Switzer?!
Switzer's OU staff & "student"-athlete-employees had the rapes, the cocaine selling to an undercover FBI agent, and 18 NCAA recruiting violations, and doubtlessly plenty more that went unpunished. Cheating so much that a legend (DKR) chose to retire.
Baylor and Briles haven't come close to approaching that, AFAIK. You'd have to be pretty disgusting to be worse than Switzer's OU. Sandusky-Paterno-level.[/Q
It may have taken awhile but they were ultimately punished. Switzer lost his job and the 3 year probation they got put on beginning in 1989 crippled them for a good while. Sooner football was non-existent in the 90's.
Silence???The silence from Waco is deafening. Maybe there is a non vocal dissention of disgusted alum/faculty/admin, but it really looks like the entire institution is just closing their eyes and sticking their fingers in their ears.
I agree, take off and nuke it from orbit. Only way to be sure.
Pontius Pilate comes to mindI'm sure they'll hide behind a whitewashed internal review document next and wash their hands of the whole thing.
I think the reason the NCAA hasn't said anything is because this is over their level of expertise. These aren't recruiting violations, or impermissible benefits. This is a BUNCH of criminal cases of which the NCAA cannot handle. Now I think the NCAA should come out and say something along the lines of that we are awaiting the results of the investigations and will make a judgment based on the findings of the investigation. At the time the NCAA could then bring down the hammer for lack of institutional control and things of that nature. I think the NCAA should have a wait and see approach here. Now please don't confuse that with me thinking what Baylor is doing is okay because I believe that is awful and should be handled with the greatest amount of law enforcement possible and that if it comes out that Briles knew this then he should never be able to coach again at any level and that the administrators should never be able to cash a check again. I just believe that the NCAA has to wait until all the results are made public before they can make a ruling.I think it is ironic how the iron fist of the NCAA will launch a full scale investigation to get to the bottom of a kid receiving a little extra money from someone, but sexual assaults don't rise to that level...at least for Baylor. I'm not in favor of athletes being paid, but a little perspective is in order. Damn. I also think that if one of us (Texas, A&M, Tech, etc.) had done this, there would be Hell to pay.
Admittedly, that was probably too early for me to fully comprehend, was in junior high or early high school when the U was going strong^^^^^^^^ you mean like they did in Miami??
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This is funny. Aggie tired of hanging on to SEC coattails and now trying to latch back on to UT and now even Tech.
BTW - SMU would disagree about the NCAA ignoring small schools for big schools.
I disagree this is not an NCAA issue. If a football player is being treated differently than a non-football player would have to keep him playing then that is impermissible. A football player getting preferential treatment is what was and is going on at Baylor as far as the NCAA is concerned. Now the laws being broken are also important and the hammer should come down for both.Again this is not an NCAA issue. This is now a deal with violations of Federal law. The NCAA bylaws don't govern this type of behavior. The problem isn't that the sexual assault occurred. They occur on every campus. The problem is how the university responded to the allegations. The typical standard used with campus sexual assault investigations is a preponderance of evidence which means the assault more than likely happened. The qestion is how did an investigation with that standard clear a person who was later convicted using the much tougher standard of beyond a reasonable doubt. Baylor had structural issues with their title IX compliance office and the law suits are based on the lack of support given to the women who reported sexual assaults. Based on what I have read so far Baylor doesn't have a chance and I am thinking they will settle so the dirty laundry doesn't come out in a court room.
Just using your words.You have no sense. When I said "One of us" I meant state supported schools in Texas. It makes no difference the conference. I will include U of H. Feel better? And "BTW," what SMU did pales in comparison to what Baylor appears to have done.
True. NCAA is less likely to kill a cash cow. The media is probably a different story.Just using your words.
"And BTW" - the NCAA shut down the football program at SMU. To state that the NCAA would go harder after a big state school (or whatever you meant by "one of us") as opposed to a small private is ridiculous.
Just using your words.
"And BTW" - the NCAA shut down the football program at SMU. To state that the NCAA would go harder after a big state school (or whatever you meant by "one of us") as opposed to a small private is ridiculous.
It's ridiculous to thing that you are sucking up to UT and Tech? You are now denying that? Now THAT is ridiculous!Fair enough. And it is also ridiculous to think this has anything to do with a conference...just using YOUR words.
With something like this there should not be a "side". There is football and there is right and wrong. As much as I love the game it is not more important that women being raped....It's ridiculous to thing that you are sucking up to UT and Tech? You are now denying that? Now THAT is ridiculous!
I'm with you 100%. Which is why I'm trying to figure out why he framed his statement as parties taking "sides".With something like this there should not be a "side". There is football and there is right and wrong. As much as I love the game it is not more important that women being raped....
I disagree this is not an NCAA issue. If a football player is being treated differently than a non-football player would have to keep him playing then that is impermissible. A football player getting preferential treatment is what was and is going on at Baylor as far as the NCAA is concerned. Now the laws being broken are also important and the hammer should come down for both.
Pretty sure Star would be Briles bitch in this odd scenario.Hmmm, Maybe.... what if Starr were to sexually and physically abuse Briles a few times both on and off campus while the campus and City police stand by and do nothing would make the point that needs to be made...
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This is funny. Aggie tired of hanging on to SEC coattails and now trying to latch back on to UT and now even Tech.
BTW - SMU would disagree about the NCAA ignoring small schools for big schools.