I have feeling this will get traction. ESPN startedit today, cbs, yahoo, and others are running with it. I listen to college sports radio on Sirius/XM (I think it's channel 84) and they talked a lot about this today. Traction is coming. This news just came out today. Let's see how BU responds.
Baylor gets a little more rapey
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Nothing will happen with Briles. If BU ultimately feels someone more than some low- or mid-level administrator has to take the fall, they'll move Ken Starr out of the president's office to a cushy position in the law school. That's as extreme as action from Baylor would get.
It's certainly ugly, but worse than Switzer?! Switzer's OU staff & "student"-athlete-employees had the rapes, the cocaine selling to an undercover FBI agent, and 18 NCAA recruiting violations, and doubtlessly plenty more that went unpunished. Cheating so much that a legend (DKR) chose to retire.
Baylor and Briles haven't come close to approaching that, AFAIK. You'd have to be pretty disgusting to be worse than Switzer's OU. Sandusky-Paterno-level.
What was really news though other than an OTL report summarizing all the shyte? I didn't see anything new there
OK nevermore. It would help if I actually read it. Yeah it's even worse than previously known. Nuke it from orbit
I think it is ironic how the iron fist of the NCAA will launch a full scale investigation to get to the bottom of a kid receiving a little extra money from someone, but sexual assaults don't rise to that level...at least for Baylor. I'm not in favor of athletes being paid, but a little perspective is in order. Damn. I also think that if one of us (Texas, A&M, Tech, etc.) had done this, there would be Hell to pay.
Switzer's OU staff & "student"-athlete-employees had the rapes, the cocaine selling to an undercover FBI agent, and 18 NCAA recruiting violations, and doubtlessly plenty more that went unpunished. Cheating so much that a legend (DKR) chose to retire.
Baylor and Briles haven't come close to approaching that, AFAIK. You'd have to be pretty disgusting to be worse than Switzer's OU. Sandusky-Paterno-level.
Well, overall no but in regards to rape they're as bad.
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BTW - SMU would disagree about the NCAA ignoring small schools for big schools.
This is funny. Aggie tired of hanging on to SEC coattails and now trying to latch back on to UT and now even Tech.
BTW - SMU would disagree about the NCAA ignoring small schools for big schools.
Switzer's OU staff & "student"-athlete-employees had the rapes, the cocaine selling to an undercover FBI agent, and 18 NCAA recruiting violations, and doubtlessly plenty more that went unpunished. Cheating so much that a legend (DKR) chose to retire.
Baylor and Briles haven't come close to approaching that, AFAIK. You'd have to be pretty disgusting to be worse than Switzer's OU. Sandusky-Paterno-level.[/Q
It may have taken awhile but they were ultimately punished. Switzer lost his job and the 3 year probation they got put on beginning in 1989 crippled them for a good while. Sooner football was non-existent in the 90's.
Silence???
https://www.baylor.edu/president/news.php?action=story&story=165607
Some of you have voiced frustration, inquiring why Baylor has been silent on the University’s handling of response to specific reports of sexual assault. As I briefly suggested above, student information is scrupulously protected by FERPA student-privacy laws. These federal measures prevent universities, including Baylor, from speaking publicly about particular incidents. Reports of sexual violence necessarily involve intensely personal and deeply private matters. Even when students choose to come forward to share details publicly about their experiences, the U.S. Department of Education has been clear that that action does not constitute a waiver of FERPA student-privacy laws. The fact that information is a matter of general public interest, as it manifestly is, does not provide an educational institution with permission to release that information. While Baylor can speak generally to policies, procedures and practices, we cannot speak to individual cases and remain within the confines of governing law.
This just shows that the NCAA is now totally defunct. It is an empty suit of an organization.
I agree, take off and nuke it from orbit. Only way to be sure.
I agree, take off and nuke it from orbit. Only way to be sure.
I think the reason the NCAA hasn't said anything is because this is over their level of expertise. These aren't recruiting violations, or impermissible benefits. This is a BUNCH of criminal cases of which the NCAA cannot handle. Now I think the NCAA should come out and say something along the lines of that we are awaiting the results of the investigations and will make a judgment based on the findings of the investigation. At the time the NCAA could then bring down the hammer for lack of institutional control and things of that nature. I think the NCAA should have a wait and see approach here. Now please don't confuse that with me thinking what Baylor is doing is okay because I believe that is awful and should be handled with the greatest amount of law enforcement possible and that if it comes out that Briles knew this then he should never be able to coach again at any level and that the administrators should never be able to cash a check again. I just believe that the NCAA has to wait until all the results are made public before they can make a ruling.
Admittedly, that was probably too early for me to fully comprehend, was in junior high or early high school when the U was going strong
Again this is not an NCAA issue. This is now a deal with violations of Federal law. The NCAA bylaws don't govern this type of behavior. The problem isn't that the sexual assault occurred. They occur on every campus. The problem is how the university responded to the allegations. The typical standard used with campus sexual assault investigations is a preponderance of evidence which means the assault more than likely happened. The qestion is how did an investigation with that standard clear a person who was later convicted using the much tougher standard of beyond a reasonable doubt. Baylor had structural issues with their title IX compliance office and the law suits are based on the lack of support given to the women who reported sexual assaults. Based on what I have read so far Baylor doesn't have a chance and I am thinking they will settle so the dirty laundry doesn't come out in a court room.
You have no sense. When I said "One of us" I meant state supported schools in Texas. It makes no difference the conference. I will include U of H. Feel better? And "BTW," what SMU did pales in comparison to what Baylor appears to have done.
Remember Montrel Meander? Remember why he was kicked off the team? Before there was even a trial?
Coach Strong came in and talked about core values among them being respect to women. Because we didn't have a good team, he was mocked by other teams fans especially Baylor. I looked at their boards and read it myself.
Who's being mocked now?
Coach Strong came in and talked about core values among them being respect to women. Because we didn't have a good team, he was mocked by other teams fans especially Baylor. I looked at their boards and read it myself.
Who's being mocked now?
I disagree this is not an NCAA issue. If a football player is being treated differently than a non-football player would have to keep him playing then that is impermissible. A football player getting preferential treatment is what was and is going on at Baylor as far as the NCAA is concerned. Now the laws being broken are also important and the hammer should come down for both.
Just using your words.
"And BTW" - the NCAA shut down the football program at SMU. To state that the NCAA would go harder after a big state school (or whatever you meant by "one of us") as opposed to a small private is ridiculous.
so Ken Starr will be pushed on the sword to save Briles....go figure. Somebody needs to investigate how many of these players would have been considered ineligible and suspended when it was initially reported to authorities. Thank god we did not end up with Briles...what a sleezebag.
From the chipster-
Talked to multiple sources today connected to Baylor who said Ken Starr will be out as the school's president and chancellor - probably moved to a position in BU's law school - as a result of the failed leadership displayed after multiple rape claims made by female Baylor students against BU football players went all but ignored. ESPN's Outside The Lines had yet another report on new allegations on Wednesday. And yet Baylor's silence from the president's office persists. I'm told the term of BU regent Richard Willis as chairman is only through the end of May and that one of his final actions as regents chair will be to move Starr out as president and chancellor.
Art Briles, whose nickname among Baylor brass is "Moses," will absolutely continue on as football coach. The hope would be Baylor's new president could establish a strong relationship with Briles to make sure nothing like this ever happens again. Starr's personality is to avoid conflict and is too much like an attorney who always invokes attorney-client privilege in refusing to disclose any information, sources said. That is absolutely the wrong approach to have at Baylor right now, they said.
"Even at a private school, you have to get out in front of something like this and yell from the mountain top that you're going to get to the bottom of everything and make sure this never happens again," one BU source said. "The school's reputation is on the line." Keep an eye on Joel Allison, who is stepping down as CEO of Dallas-based Baylor Scott & White Health in February 2017 as a possible replacement for Starr replacement after an interim president is appointed for the next 6-7 months.
(Chip Brown)
From the chipster-
Talked to multiple sources today connected to Baylor who said Ken Starr will be out as the school's president and chancellor - probably moved to a position in BU's law school - as a result of the failed leadership displayed after multiple rape claims made by female Baylor students against BU football players went all but ignored. ESPN's Outside The Lines had yet another report on new allegations on Wednesday. And yet Baylor's silence from the president's office persists. I'm told the term of BU regent Richard Willis as chairman is only through the end of May and that one of his final actions as regents chair will be to move Starr out as president and chancellor.
Art Briles, whose nickname among Baylor brass is "Moses," will absolutely continue on as football coach. The hope would be Baylor's new president could establish a strong relationship with Briles to make sure nothing like this ever happens again. Starr's personality is to avoid conflict and is too much like an attorney who always invokes attorney-client privilege in refusing to disclose any information, sources said. That is absolutely the wrong approach to have at Baylor right now, they said.
"Even at a private school, you have to get out in front of something like this and yell from the mountain top that you're going to get to the bottom of everything and make sure this never happens again," one BU source said. "The school's reputation is on the line." Keep an eye on Joel Allison, who is stepping down as CEO of Dallas-based Baylor Scott & White Health in February 2017 as a possible replacement for Starr replacement after an interim president is appointed for the next 6-7 months.
(Chip Brown)
I think this is gaining enough traction that the end of this tunnel is going to be Starr and Briles gone. Simply reassigning Starr would be seen as a joke, and cause the spotlight to grow even brighter. Right now their private status has prevented the public from really getting the gory details, that's not going to protect them once lawsuits start coming in and the public sees everything.
True. NCAA is less likely to kill a cash cow. The media is probably a different story.
Fair enough. And it is also ridiculous to think this has anything to do with a conference...just using YOUR words.
I still want to see Bill Clinton become First Dude and head up a special Title IX investigation of Baylor and directly grill that POS hypocrite Ken Starr concerning just how much he cares about young women. Maybe he could also depose Dennis Hastert from prison as a character reference. #karma
It's ridiculous to thing that you are sucking up to UT and Tech? You are now denying that? Now THAT is ridiculous!
With something like this there should not be a "side". There is football and there is right and wrong. As much as I love the game it is not more important that women being raped....
I'm with you 100%. Which is why I'm trying to figure out why he framed his statement as parties taking "sides".
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