ESPN will not play National Anthem on Monday Night football

[TheTruthof2018]

Sorry about double replying but I have to ask you to do something.

Use your reasoning and apply the exact scenario to the KKK rallies and tell me that it doesn't alter your opinion of my feelings on this subject in the slightest.

If not, then would that make you truly the racist one? No, of course not. You would be voicing your disapproval as well, or at least I hope you would.

The KKK can have protest in front of the courthouse everyday of the week including Sunday for all I care.

Their message no longer works because you can't scare people from voting based on their color of skin.

Today very much like unions they are a group without something to fight.

 

[clob94]

that was a lot of fluff to say "if i owned an NFL team, I'd make them do whatever I want"

That was an awful short response to say, "absolutely nothing of relevance".

 

[LonghornMM]

Most all of them do it to an extent. As much as I can't stand Colon K, I remember reading somewhere about him doing a camp of sorts with some inner city kids.

I'm asking what players have done something specific to the social injustice cause which they claim that they're so passionate about besides kneeling on the sideline before a game.

 

[Drtxhorn]

There's absolutely no constitutional right for NFL players to take a knee during the anthem. An NFL game is a private workplace and the employer can mandate everything you do, say and wear. The NFL has clearly stated rules for all to stand and respect the flag during the anthem.

I have zero respect for these kneeling cowards. why use the flag and anthem to draw attention to your sorry ass? If they truly wanted to make a statement, why don't they take a knee on special teams during the opening kickoff? I would have more respect if they protested in that manner. It would never happen because they KNOW they would get cut and waived immediately.

 

[GuaranteedFresh!]

I'm asking what players have done something specific to the social injustice cause which they claim that they're so passionate about besides kneeling on the sideline before a game.

Probably a whole lot closer to 0 than to 1.

 

[TheTruthof2018]

Ummmm, no. That statement contradicts the exact reason you are defending their taking a knee during the anthem.
So are you only for defending someone's right to protest police officer's actions but not someone protesting football players actions? What's good for the goose is good for the gander. We are all have the same rights.

You are not protesting.
You are telling them to shut up and play football. A big difference.

You are saying their voices are not important. That is big because for a long time their voices didn't matter.

 

[elcapitan009]

That was an awful short response to say, "absolutely nothing of relevance".

I mean you didn't give me much to work with?

 

[elcapitan009]

Can you please name all of the players who have done something well thought out, started a cause for, donated money to, donated their time away from the field to, etc. in the name of social injustice? I'm not aware of any.

here is community outreach

and a $90 million fund to combat social injustice

 

[elcapitan009]

Probably a whole lot closer to 0 than to 1.

or maybe a few more than that

 

[GuaranteedFresh!]

You are not protesting.
You are telling them to shut up and play football. A big difference.

You are saying their voices are not important. That is big because for a long time their voices didn't matter.

Wrong again. Might I recommend a quick refresher on the 1st amendment.
What you are doing is applying your own personal opinion on MY protest of nfl players kneeling during the pre-game playing of the anthem. You're essentially protesting my protest of the players actions. I'm not breaking any laws and doing so peacefully so you should in fact be just as supportive of my right to do what I'm doing, unless.....you're being hypocritical.

I get it, you don't agree with my view. But you are doing to me EXACTLY what you are arguing against.

 

[GuaranteedFresh!]

or maybe a few more than that

BOOM! See, I can support this completely. This is productive to their cause. Now imagine if they had only chosen to raise awareness without alienating millions of people......

 

[elcapitan009]

BOOM! See, I can support this completely. This is productive to their cause. Now imagine if they had only chosen to raise awareness without alienating millions of people......

dude, this would be a complete non-story if the anthem protests weren't news tho. as it was, i had to do a google search and get to page 2. PAGE 2!!!

 

[T_R_U_T_H]

Ummm you do realize the 90 million was basically in direct response to the protests right?

 

[TheTruthof2018]

Wrong again. Might I recommend a quick refresher on the 1st amendment.
What you are doing is applying your own personal opinion on MY protest of nfl players kneeling during the pre-game playing of the anthem. You're essentially protesting my protest of the players actions. I'm not breaking any laws and doing so peacefully so you should in fact be just as supportive of my right to do what I'm doing, unless.....you're being hypocritical.

I get it, you don't agree with my view. But you are doing to me EXACTLY what you are arguing against.

I think you are taking this issue way too personal.

Like I said I do not approve of how the NFL players are handling the situation.
That does not mean I am going to tell the NFL owners that players who take a knee should not play in the NFL.

This situation comes down to a very similar issue and that is desecrating the flag.
The US Supreme Court has ruled numerous times that a person can burn the flag.

It is actually one of the most American of acts.
Our country and constitution was founded on this very principal

 

[LonghornMM]

here is community outreach

and a $90 million fund to combat social injustice

While it is admirable what some of the players did for communities in the first link, I don't see where any of that went towards their "social injustice" cause.

The second link says that there is a "$90 million dollar commitment to combat social injustice". Who all has stepped up and gotten off of their knees and actually donated their money to this cause, and if so, how much? Where is the substance to this other than a "commitment"? Seems to me the kneeling thing is their preferred "message" and is much less painful to do rather than actually doing WORK on their own time and donating hard earned money towards their belief in social injustice.

 

[GuaranteedFresh!]

I think you are taking this issue way too personal.

Like I said I do not approve of how the NFL players are handling the situation.
That does not mean I am going to tell the NFL owners that players who take a knee should not play in the NFL.

This situation comes down to a very similar issue and that is desecrating the flag.
The US Supreme Court has ruled numerous times that a person can burn the flag.

It is actually one of the most American of acts.
Our country and constitution was founded on this very principal

You are correct, I do take it very personal when the symbol soo many have died protecting is being disrespected to "bring awareness".
Although I am alive and well, I also sacrificed blood for this great country, imperfections and all. I've seen the good and unimaginable evil all over this crazy globe. Maybe that's why my view differs. We have it much much better than most of this planets inhabitants. Fact.

Yes, it is their right but in MY opinion it doesnt make it right. Kinda like you also have the right to murder an unborn baby, but that's a whole other debate that has no place here.

 

[TheTruthof2018]

You are correct, I do take it very personal when the symbol soo many have died protecting is being disrespected to "bring awareness".
Although I am alive and well, I also sacrificed blood for this great country, imperfections and all. I've seen the good and unimaginable evil all over this crazy globe. Maybe that's why my view differs. We have it much much better than most of this planets inhabitants. Fact.

Yes, it is their right but in MY opinion it doesnt make it right. Kinda like you also have the right to murder an unborn baby, but that's a whole other debate that has no place here.

The worst enemy that this country will ever face is itself.

Everything that this country has fought for is slowly being taken away from the inside and a lot of times it is under the veil of patriotism.

 

[FlourBluffHorn]

Everything that this country has fought for is slowly being taken away

Not on my ****ing Watch! and more people just like me than the ones who won't stand or they burn the flag! We shoulda picked our own cotton!


Hook'em

 

[T_R_U_T_H]

What exactly does that mean?

 

[cml7374]

I think if they feel that strongly about protesting they should do something a little more meaningful and creative.....lets say giving up their entire salary and play for free to show unity.....the entire amount could be put in some charity to help needy children or something......im betting it wouldn't happen though.

 

[GuaranteedFresh!]

What exactly does that mean?

Oh wow....For the sake of keeping this thread a peaceful debate, let's just leave that one alone.

 

[GuaranteedFresh!]

I think if they feel that strongly about protesting they should do something a little more meaningful and creative.....lets say giving up their entire salary and play for free to show unity.....the entire amount could be put in some charity to help needy children or something......im betting it wouldn't happen though.

Wouldn't happen. We hear all those uber rich preach from their soapbox how the rich don't pay their fair share well,.......nobody's stopping you from paying more to uncle sam.

 

[T_R_U_T_H]

Oh wow....For the sake of keeping this thread a peaceful debate, let's just leave that one alone.

I dont see why it wouldn't be peaceful. I just wondered what was meant by that statement. There also isn't really a debate taking place. There's two completely different conversations going on here whether people know it or not.

 

[TheTruthof2018]

Not on my ****ing Watch! and more people just like me than the ones who won't stand or they burn the flag! We shoulda picked our own cotton!




Hook'em

Good way to show your true colors.
Maybe I suffer from white guilt or maybe my opinions are based on how I see a dividing line based on race where I am from

I say this from someone who has spent time with young white and black kids my entire adult life.
It is unfortunate that some children in the United States are not given the same chances in life.

Maybe it was wrong the way the NFL players drew attention to the problem

It is a problem. I can list 25 black and white athletes who have returned home to East Texas to host camps for football.
Some of these camps gives these kids more than just football they give them life lessons.

 

[TheTruthof2018]

I think if they feel that strongly about protesting they should do something a little more meaningful and creative.....lets say giving up their entire salary and play for free to show unity.....the entire amount could be put in some charity to help needy children or something......im betting it wouldn't happen though.

I know a lot of former players at the University of Texas who played in the NFL that have done a lot for their communities.

A lot of it goes unnoticed unless you are there.
The media thrives on the negative.

 

[Drtxhorn]

I think you are taking this issue way too personal.

Like I said I do not approve of how the NFL players are handling the situation.
That does not mean I am going to tell the NFL owners that players who take a knee should not play in the NFL.

This situation comes down to a very similar issue and that is desecrating the flag.
The US Supreme Court has ruled numerous times that a person can burn the flag.

It is actually one of the most American of acts.
Our country and constitution was founded on this very principal

You're analysis is wrong on so many levels. Our country and constitution was never founded on the principles you've stated. This is not an American act at all. The 1st amendment is clear...free speech is only applicable in the public domain but doesn't extend to private property owners. The NFL is a private workplace and they're free to make whatever rules they want to adopt regarding speech and expression. Private property owners are not required to extend 1A protections to anybody. It's the opposite. The NFL, through its franchise owners, has clear rules that state players and coaches will stand in respect of the flag during the playing of the national anthem. It's their league and they can make those rules. Having these rules in place is truly one of the most American and patriotic acts that can be displayed. Protesting the flag during the anthem is not American and nor is it patriotic. There's no "right" that exists for them to engage in this disgusting behavior. If they really wanted to make a statement for "social justice", they should try taking a knee while playing on the field during a series of downs. Let's see how their coaches and teammates feel about their protest then.

 

[ASURAM2010]

Can you please name all of the players who have done something well thought out, started a cause for, donated money to, donated their time away from the field to, etc. in the name of social injustice? I'm not aware of any.

Kaepernick donated $1M of his own money (even though he was unemployed at the time) to several different inner city organizations that help at risk youth try to get out of their situation as well as to organizations that help with cultural trainings so to better understand the situation that those individuals are afflicted with.
Chris Long (who happens to be white) donated his entire 2017 salary to various organizations who deal with systemic racism, poverty, and other issues.
Malcolm Jenkins spent his entire off season on a traveling circuit sitting down with various leaders in cities that seem to have these issues to help explain the situation to them in a way that hasn't ever been expressed.

That is just 3 examples of the many that are currently going on. I don't know if you were being serious about not knowing any, but a simple google search will give you more information.

 

[ASURAM2010]

I think if they feel that strongly about protesting they should do something a little more meaningful and creative.....lets say giving up their entire salary and play for free to show unity.....the entire amount could be put in some charity to help needy children or something......im betting it wouldn't happen though.

A couple of players that I can think of off the top of my head have done this. Chris Long being one of them. He's from Charlottesville.

 

[elcapitan009]

A couple of players that I can think of off the top of my head have done this. Chris Long being one of them. He's from Charlottesville.

nobody actually wants examples. i've provided them some and they just go back to "well nobody has donated their entire salary" or some other bs. some of these guys are just grumpy old men.

 

[LonghornMM]

nobody actually wants examples. i've provided them some and they just go back to "well nobody has donated their entire salary" or some other bs. some of these guys are just grumpy old men.

No. I asked for some examples and they were provided. This is the kind of thing that needs to be done in place of the kneeling BS, which accomplishes absolutely nothing other than to piss off people and cost the NFL lots of money.

 

[weevilcatch]

I think people get the Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Speech with no consequences confused all of the time.

Yes, as Clob and others have pointed out, it is absolutely your right to protest whatever/whenever you see fit, but that doesn't mean your freedom of speech doesn't have consequences.

I remember reading a story of some a-hole going thru a Chick-Fil-A drive thru recording himself getting a 'large water' and berating this poor teenage girl working the window. His issue was I guess Chick-Fil-A threw some money at a charity that was anti-gay marriage and so he felt the need to be a dick. Welp, his ass got fired.

 

[weevilcatch]

nobody actually wants examples. i've provided them some and they just go back to "well nobody has donated their entire salary" or some other bs. some of these guys are just grumpy old men.

What has kneeling accomplished? Honestly? Now you have people debating on whether they can kneel, people protesting the NFL and people getting mad at each other.

Was that the initial purpose? Is this what the players intended to happen?

 

[elcapitan009]

No. I asked for some examples and they were provided. This is the kind of thing that needs to be done in place of the kneeling BS, which accomplishes absolutely nothing other than to piss off people and cost the NFL lots of money.

you have crazy blinders on. you had to ask for other people to go find you examples of players giving back to community. it was provided. you act as if that should be expected and there should be more players/more giving instead of kneeling.

but you fail to realize the entire reason that you are even having the conversation is because of the kneeling.

the protest isn't meant to make you happy. it's meant to start a dialogue. that's obviously happening.

 

[ASURAM2010]

No. I asked for some examples and they were provided. This is the kind of thing that needs to be done in place of the kneeling BS, which accomplishes absolutely nothing other than to piss off people and cost the NFL lots of money.

The big issue with the kneeling for me is that upon its start, the folks doing it didn't have a game plan. They knew what they wanted in their heads, but they weren't able to effectively get that message out quick enough before main stream media began to define the protest for the protesters. That is when it got out of hand. Kaepernick went to one of our own, Green Beret Nate Boyer and asked how to handle it so that people wouldn't get it confused with an anthem protest or a flag protest or a military protest and he took that advice from Nate and that is when the kneeling began.

After a little while, the folks who began this movement must have gotten together collectively and began to formulate a plan of action and that is when the contributions and donations to things that actually will make a difference began.

I think if you had the opportunity to talk to Kaepernick and the rest of the group candidly, they would tell you that they didn't have the leadership in place at the beginning and that is why their protest took on a life of its own outside of their original meaning. But to say that the kneeling has lead to no significant changes is obtuse at best.

 

[ASURAM2010]

you have crazy blinders on. you had to ask for other people to go find you examples of players giving back to community. it was provided. you act as if that should be expected and there should be more players/more giving instead of kneeling.

but you fail to realize the entire reason that you are even having the conversation is because of the kneeling.

the protest isn't meant to make you happy. it's meant to start a dialogue. that's obviously happening.

In fact, protests are meant to make you uncomfortable to a point that change happens. If it isn't uncomfortable, nothing changes.