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If these kneelers all sincerely felt that awareness needed to be raised for whatever issue they feel is important then why aren't they using mediums outside the NFL game? Why the flag and anthem?

Would they take a knee at Arlington national cemetery when the anthem is played? If their schtick is to "make people uncomfortable" to raise awareness then you're no different from the antifa a-holes who run around intimidating people and destroying property until they have their way.

If you want to raise awareness about an issue you need to first respect the people who you're trying to reach. The truth is they have no respect for anyone else and their end game is to forcibly make you comply with their point of view. Ain't happening in this country. Thankfully mob rules don't apply in the greatest country in the world.
 
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You're analysis is wrong on so many levels. Our country and constitution was never founded on the principles you've stated. This is not an American act at all. The 1st amendment is clear...free speech is only applicable in the public domain but doesn't extend to private property owners. The NFL is a private workplace and they're free to make whatever rules they want to adopt regarding speech and expression. Private property owners are not required to extend 1A protections to anybody. It's the opposite. The NFL, through its franchise owners, has clear rules that state players and coaches will stand in respect of the flag during the playing of the national anthem. It's their league and they can make those rules. Having these rules in place is truly one of the most American and patriotic acts that can be displayed. Protesting the flag during the anthem is not American and nor is it patriotic. There's no "right" that exists for them to engage in this disgusting behavior. If they really wanted to make a statement for "social justice", they should try taking a knee while playing on the field during a series of downs. Let's see how their coaches and teammates feel about their protest then.
Best post I've read in some time, besides a few of mine own, of course
 
If these kneelers all sincerely felt that awareness needed to be raised for whatever issue they feel is important then why aren't they using mediums outside the NFL game? Why the flag and anthem?

Would they take a knee at Arlington national cemetery when the anthem is played? If their schtick is to "make people uncomfortable" to raise awareness then you're no different from the antifa a-holes who run around intimidating people and destroying property until they have their way.

If you want to raise awareness about an issue you need to first respect the people who you're trying to reach. The truth is they have no respect for anyone else and their end game is to forcibly make you comply with their point of view. Ain't happening in this country. Thankfully mob rules don't apply in the greatest country in the world.

Better be able to back this up with some muscle b/c da gimme dats are coming for your stuff.
 
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My opinion of you and your feelings of the situation are based on what you presented in the thread.

You obviously have blind spots if you fail to acknowledge that kneeling has garnered attention to social injustice issues. You can disagree with the action, but to say it hasn't warranted discussion that would have otherwise gone by unnoticed is ignoring the very discussion we're having.

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Why hell ya! WE got Bud Light and Single malt and the Longhorns and MOM's apple pie, and a lotta Big Titty women!! Yeh Hah!


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I was just asking myself why I was reading this beating of a thread and then I came across this and made it all worth it. Best post ever!!!
 
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Actually the bigger issue is that one side believes they have a monopoly on "Patriotism".
Not standing for the National Anthem is our rights as an American. Dictatorships force people to do things against their will.

My bigger issue is people who claim to love American and will stand and fight for this country are not doing a single thing about our American institutions being under attack at the current moment.

I don't what to turn this into something deeper than it already is but when people are acting like they are celebrating the people who sacrificed their lives for this country it makes me wonder why more people don't speak out against certain political leaders and political commentators who attack what they call the " Deep state ".

These are the men and women who represent our country and fight for the things that we believe in as Americans.
Forcing people to stand for the National anthem is not something we believe in as Americans.

Nobody is being forced to stand for the anthem. The NFL has had their anthem rules in place for decades and players have known about them well in advance of their pursuit to play professional football. Players who enter the NFL do so on their own without force from anyone and, by doing so, they agree to abide by all of the league's rules. Playing in the NFL is a privilege, not a birthright for anyone.

It's similar to you making a choice to live in a neighborhood with an HOA. If you really like that house in the cul de sac and want it to be your dream home, you have to comply with all of the HOA rules, bylaws and covenants. That includes having them approve all your paint colors and any renovations on your property. As a private property owner, you've agreed to give up a portion of your property rights in order to live in a home that's subject to an HOA. You can moan and complain all you want about the HOA rules but that's what you agreed to when you made the choice to live there.
 
Yes, the kneeling has garnered attention, but IMO, not positive attention that will make a difference. The well thought out activities and money that has been donated to causes to help social injustice are positive steps and that's what its going to take to change things. Kneeling or raising a fist will not change a thing. The message that kind of thing sends is that "I'm a divisive militant", which turns people off.

If these guys were so committed to stopping ALL violence against blacks, why aren't they just as passionate about black on black crime? Seems that they are only interested in making a fuss over things when it involves a white police officer, or whites in general who are violent towards a black person. All lives matter. Not just the very small percentage of black lives taken by police officers. All of the killings in Chicago are a perfect example. Where is all of the outrage and "protests" about all of those black lives lost? They're no less important than the ones who have been shot by police officers, yet they don't seem to make a fuss over their deaths.

You glossed over the racist post of flourbluff, yet berated elcapitan for speaking against his racist post...Why? Rhetorical question....you already answered

The kneeling has garnered positive attention that is making a difference, but people are always going to mask racism, with fake patriotism. So be it...that will not stop one from protesting. People > white symbolization. Its white symbomization, because that racist anthem talks about killing black people in the third stanza...no, you google it. That anthem was not written for everybody...but that's not the point, so I'll move on. But don't get mad because such racist symbols aren't revered, by those that it degrades. Especially not over black lives. The song and flag are symbols, not lives. They are kneeling for black lives being taken by crooked cops (and some of those cops are black, but minority cops tend to be held accountable) and the kkkrooked kkkriminal justice system. If that offends you, then good.

You glossed over the racist post of flourbluff, yet berated elcapitan for speaking against his racist post...Why? Rhetorical question...you already answered.

You asked why aren't black people passionate about black on black crime...well, probably for the same reason white people aren't passionate about white on white crime...it doesn't exist. It's simply crimes of proximity, on both accounts. Black people are passionate about crimes of proximity, it simply doesn't affect you, so it's nothing you would know about, as far as the work being out in. But until the proper resources are put into those dense areas of poverty, that cycle will be hard to break. Especially when dealing with the crooked criminal justice system. Oh, and this one is really important. Cops are the only ones killing with no accountability. That's the problen. They are killing with impunity. I want to type that one more time. They are killing with impunity. And why would you hold cops and criminals to the same standard, by comparing how the black community reacts to each? Why wouldn't we question killer cops, simply because other criminals are doing the same thing...yet the criminal cop is not held accountable, because they are an extension of a racist america. You were either being purposely obtuse with that question, or you are just very ignorant to the situation. You know what, I'll go with both.

"Kneeling or raising a fist will not change a thing. The message that kind of thing sends is that I'm a divisive militant, which turns people off."

Only to racist white people like youself, which unfortunately is a large segment of America. Militant huh...that sends the message that you are a racist demon. How dare one challenge white power.

You glossed over the racist post of flourbluff, yet berated elcapitan for speaking against his racist post...Why? Rhetorical question...you already answered
 
By the way, the NFL has also lost Black viewers, but for some odd reason, that too is glossed over. I wonder why...well not really. But I won't be watching for the second year in a row, because they blackballed Kap and now Reid. F*** the NFL.
 
Blackballed Kap? Denver offered him a contract, and he turned it down. They were the only team offering, because he sucks. If you really need a job, you don't turn down your only offer. Simple.

Kap was NOT offered a contract, AFTER SF. Being released by SF (because they told him he would be released, which is why he left), would have paid more than the total contract Denver was discussing, way before Kap and SF parted ways. That's just stupid. And he is better than half the QBs in the league. Weak rebuttal. He was blackballed, just like Reid. Why doesn't Eric Reid have a job, Metcalf? I'll wait?
 
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I have no idea about Reid, but I maintain Kap sucked out loud. He had one decent year, then defenses figured him out. He was done after that.

I know Kap is better than half the QBs in the league, and his numbers support that statement, for more than one year. Its not hard to compare numbers. You have no idea about Reid, huh? Come on metcalf.
 
I know Kap is better than half the QBs in the league, and his numbers support that statement, for more than one year. Its not hard to compare numbers. You have no idea about Reid, huh? Come on metcalf.

Seriously I don't. I haven't watched the NFL since Kap started all this bullshit. I just don't care to hear about social injustice from a bunch of dudes that struck it rich for playing a game.

If they really care about black people, why don't they all get together and use their influence on the streets of Chiraq? That f*cking place is a hell hole for black people, yet nobody does anything. That goes for everybody. Athletes, celebrities, the President, everybody's main concern should be Chicago. Place is a f*cking nightmare. Why is Chicago ignored?
 
Seriously I don't. I haven't watched the NFL since Kap started all this bullshit. I just don't care to hear about social injustice from a bunch of dudes that struck it rich for playing a game.

If they really care about black people, why don't they all get together and use their influence on the streets of Chiraq? That f*cking place is a hell hole for black people, yet nobody does anything. That goes for everybody. Athletes, celebrities, the President, everybody's main concern should be Chicago. Place is a f*cking nightmare. Why is Chicago ignored?

Soooo, because they struck it rich, they can't stand up for things that still impact them and their community. Do you really not see that fallacy in that statement.

You're simply ignorant to the info above, because you don't pay attention. Just like with Reid right? You simply watch fox news. You can find an answer to your question, in my post to your racist mod. It covers it. Crimes of proximity are not ignored, but it's used as a deflection when discussing the kkkrooked kkkriminal justice system.
 
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Yes everything and everybody's racist. I get it. No use continuing the discussion. Just one thing. The more you throw racism around, the more you fuel it. Think about that. And btw, I get more news from Tommy Sotomayor and Stephen Crowder, than Fox News these days.
 
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You can find an answer to your question, in my post to your racist mod. It covers it. Crimes of proximity are not ignored, but it's used as a deflection when discussing the kkkrooked kkkriminal justice system.
Are you calling Metcalf a racist? You don't even know him. Call him a prick or a jackass, but racist is not ok. And stop with the childish kkk crap.

It is way too early on a Saturday morning to make an Aggie take up for Metcalf.
 
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TBF, he wasn't calling me a racist. Pretty sure I know who this is, and he knows I'm not. He was calling MM a racist.

EDIT: and that's Mr jackass to you, aggy.
 
By the way, the NFL has also lost Black viewers, but for some odd reason, that too is glossed over. I wonder why...well not really. But I won't be watching for the second year in a row, because they blackballed Kap and now Reid. F*** the NFL.

Did you “gloss” over the fact Kap had workouts with many teams and didn’t get signed? LOL, there are a lot of guys still protesting that have NFL jobs. I wonder why...
 
Soooo, because they struck it rich, they can't stand up for things that still impact them and their community. Do you really not see that fallacy in that statement.

You're simply ignorant to the info above, because you don't pay attention. Just like with Reid right? You simply watch fox news. You can find an answer to your question, in my post to your racist mod. It covers it. Crimes of proximity are not ignored, but it's used as a deflection when discussing the kkkrooked kkkriminal justice system.

Oh cool, come late to a convo and just start calling everyone you don’t know a racist and then get pissy when people don’t take you serious or want to have legitimate discourse...LOL, well done
 
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You glossed over the racist post of flourbluff, yet berated elcapitan for speaking against his racist post...Why? Rhetorical question....you already answered

The kneeling has garnered positive attention that is making a difference, but people are always going to mask racism, with fake patriotism. So be it...that will not stop one from protesting. People > white symbolization. Its white symbomization, because that racist anthem talks about killing black people in the third stanza...no, you google it. That anthem was not written for everybody...but that's not the point, so I'll move on. But don't get mad because such racist symbols aren't revered, by those that it degrades. Especially not over black lives. The song and flag are symbols, not lives. They are kneeling for black lives being taken by crooked cops (and some of those cops are black, but minority cops tend to be held accountable) and the kkkrooked kkkriminal justice system. If that offends you, then good.

You glossed over the racist post of flourbluff, yet berated elcapitan for speaking against his racist post...Why? Rhetorical question...you already answered.

You asked why aren't black people passionate about black on black crime...well, probably for the same reason white people aren't passionate about white on white crime...it doesn't exist. It's simply crimes of proximity, on both accounts. Black people are passionate about crimes of proximity, it simply doesn't affect you, so it's nothing you would know about, as far as the work being out in. But until the proper resources are put into those dense areas of poverty, that cycle will be hard to break. Especially when dealing with the crooked criminal justice system. Oh, and this one is really important. Cops are the only ones killing with no accountability. That's the problen. They are killing with impunity. I want to type that one more time. They are killing with impunity. And why would you hold cops and criminals to the same standard, by comparing how the black community reacts to each? Why wouldn't we question killer cops, simply because other criminals are doing the same thing...yet the criminal cop is not held accountable, because they are an extension of a racist america. You were either being purposely obtuse with that question, or you are just very ignorant to the situation. You know what, I'll go with both.

"Kneeling or raising a fist will not change a thing. The message that kind of thing sends is that I'm a divisive militant, which turns people off."

Only to racist white people like youself, which unfortunately is a large segment of America. Militant huh...that sends the message that you are a racist demon. How dare one challenge white power.

You glossed over the racist post of flourbluff, yet berated elcapitan for speaking against his racist post...Why? Rhetorical question...you already answered

You are so wrong and have made so many baseless ASSumptions about me. I'm not even going to waste my time arguing with you. Never argue with an idiot. You'll lose every time. You made the mistake of coming on here calling someone a racist with no basis and personally attacking others. You're done.
 
Yes everything and everybody's racist. I get it. No use continuing the discussion. Just one thing. The more you throw racism around, the more you fuel it. Think about that. And btw, I get more news from Tommy Sotomayor and Stephen Crowder, than Fox News these days.

Calling a racist, a racist, does not fuel it. That's stupid. You can ignore it and put your head in the sand, because it doesn't affect you. Not everyone has that luxury.
 
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Did you “gloss” over the fact Kap had workouts with many teams and didn’t get signed? LOL, there are a lot of guys still protesting that have NFL jobs. I wonder why...

Wonder no more. Kap did not have workouts with "many" teams. He had a workout with teams like Seattle and they said he is a starter in this league. So why didn't they sign him? He is the face of the movement and Reid was right there with him, and they will continue to be the face of the movement. They are being blackballed. But I'm sure you'll tell me Reid isn't a very good safety.
 
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Why did none of call out flourbluffhorn for his racist post, but now you're crying. Elcapitan stood up to the racism, while the rest of you defend him. Why?
 
Not on my ****ing Watch! and more people just like me than the ones who won't stand or they burn the flag! We shoulda picked our own cotton!


Hook'em

Only 1 or 2 guys called him on it, but my post upset y'all. longhornmm never checked him on it. Why? He has a history of racist post. His kkklan has his back, though. I just called out a racist, so longhornmm is going to be really pissed. Ban your racist buddy longhornmm. Ban yourself and your entire kkklan.
 
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