ESPN will not play National Anthem on Monday Night football

[TheTruthof2018]

You're analysis is wrong on so many levels. Our country and constitution was never founded on the principles you've stated. This is not an American act at all. The 1st amendment is clear...free speech is only applicable in the public domain but doesn't extend to private property owners. The NFL is a private workplace and they're free to make whatever rules they want to adopt regarding speech and expression. Private property owners are not required to extend 1A protections to anybody. It's the opposite. The NFL, through its franchise owners, has clear rules that state players and coaches will stand in respect of the flag during the playing of the national anthem. It's their league and they can make those rules. Having these rules in place is truly one of the most American and patriotic acts that can be displayed. Protesting the flag during the anthem is not American and nor is it patriotic. There's no "right" that exists for them to engage in this disgusting behavior. If they really wanted to make a statement for "social justice", they should try taking a knee while playing on the field during a series of downs. Let's see how their coaches and teammates feel about their protest then.

The NFL attempted to make rules but without consent by the Players union the rules will not stand
The NFL owners and players are trying to come up with an agreement.

Why?
It is not because of the players kneeling. That would have went away if there wasn't such an uproar.

It is because of the response from people who think the players are wrong for voicing an opinion they do not agree with.

First and foremost there is a correlation between people who think more should be done in the poor communities and people who don't mind the kneeling.

The kneeling became worse because of how certain players were treated.

People did not want to hear what the players had to stay.

 

[2300 Nueces]

Please just stop. Look we are being played against one another. This is as old a the beginning of time. The poor of America are being played against the middle to upper middle class. Until we come together and understand the REAL issue at hand, nothing will get solved.

THE ISSUE IS THIS: We are all slaves to a debt based and usurious system of fiat currency. Is there anything that you buy with cash or is there usually a float period of 25 days after which you pay close to 30% apr interest? Do you buy your house on debt? car? dentures?!?! Get my point.

Dave Ramsey: According to Proverbs 22:7 (NIV), “The rich rule over the poor, and the borrower is slave to the lender.” When Dave was confronted with this Scripture, he had to really consider who was right—his broke finance professor, who taught that debt is a tool, or God, who never has anything good to say about debt.

Look, the currency is being inflated at an ever increasing rate which steals your purchasing power as well as your savings. This is a pure evil done to those who do not understand it. I advise you to educate yourselves.

The people benefiting from this ruse are not people that are among us.... they are never among us! They separate themselves and rule at a distance. Politicians are owned, the bureaucracy is placed by them...

The solution: Eliminate all usury. That means no interest is to be collected on money lent or borrowed and pay off all your debts. Do these 2 things and we would live in a paradise.

 

[LonghornMM]

you have crazy blinders on. you had to ask for other people to go find you examples of players giving back to community. it was provided. you act as if that should be expected and there should be more players/more giving instead of kneeling.

but you fail to realize the entire reason that you are even having the conversation is because of the kneeling.

the protest isn't meant to make you happy. it's meant to start a dialogue. that's obviously happening.

Spare me the condescending BS, dude. No, I don't have "crazy blinders on" and I don't "fail to realize" anything". That's your uninformed opinion of me and my feelings on this situation, but not surprising from you, given your history of these types of responses from you.

 

[mm42]

We shoulda picked our own cotton!

Hook'em

I don't like the anthem protest either, but um... I'll just say... No I won't. Just glad this didn't come from an Aggie. Hook'em I guess.

 

[elcapitan009]

Spare me the condescending BS, dude. No, I don't have "crazy blinders on" and I don't "fail to realize" anything". That's your uninformed opinion of me and my feelings on this situation, but not surprising from you, given your history of these types of responses from you.

My opinion of you and your feelings of the situation are based on what you presented in the thread.

You obviously have blind spots if you fail to acknowledge that kneeling has garnered attention to social injustice issues. You can disagree with the action, but to say it hasn't warranted discussion that would have otherwise gone by unnoticed is ignoring the very discussion we're having.

 

[matt0123]

That's crazy.

 

[2300 Nueces]

My opinion of you and your feelings of the situation are based on what you presented in the thread.

You obviously have blind spots if you fail to acknowledge that kneeling has garnered attention to social injustice issues. You can disagree with the action, but to say it hasn't warranted discussion that would have otherwise gone by unnoticed is ignoring the very discussion we're having.

Did you read my post above? It's not the white guy driving to work everyday in his financed vehicle that is oppressing you. Educate yourself. This isn't my race against yours, it's greed run a muck that is plaguing us. Learn to live debt free and teach your neighbor the same.

 

[mm42]

The solution: Eliminate all usury. That means no interest is to be collected on money lent or borrowed and pay off all your debts. Do these 2 things and we would live in a paradise.

I agree that people who don't pay their full balance off on their credit card monthly are fools. And living above your means is for fools as well.

But what about your mortgage or business loans? Kill those and things would crash. If people had to pay cash, your home would be almost impossible to sale. And poor and working class people would be screwed. Housing prices would fall to pennies on the dollar. The rich would buy up housing for pennies on the dollar, then rent to the unwashed masses living pay check to pay check. If housing prices fell 50%+, I'd pull everything out of market and buy houses too. All these folks who could no longer get a loan would be great tenants.

Now our government has gone crazy with debt. Both parties. And they do it because citizens are stupid and most handle their personal finances in the same foolish way.

 

[UTGrad87]

Spirited debate fellas but let's not resort to calling each other names over political issues. We're Longhorns and we're better than that. And there's plenty enough of that nonsense going around already . . . Dont ya think?

How's about we take the politics out of the equation for a sec and look at these protests through the lens of business, shall we?

Marketing is the art/science of how to effectively sell a product, service or idea so that the sells or adoption rates increase or are maximized for said product, service or idea. The 1st thing they teach you in Marteting class is 'Never piss off your customers or potential customers'.

So from an NFL Marketing perspective these protests have been a disaster. 50% or more of the folks in the stands or viewing on TV think they're a slap in the face to those that have made the ultimate sacrifice for our country. Declining viewership and the arguments in this post are a testament to that fact.

Listen, if these players truly want to drive change in how the police deal with the black community . . . These protests are not the vehicle that will take them there. They need everyone on their side and these protests won't do that. And they'll need to accept a level of responsibility for these occurrences instead of placing 100% of the blame on the police.

What ESPN is doing right now makes business sense to me. If the players truly care about social justice then they'll switch tactics and do something else that is more effective. If they just drop it then that will speak volumes as to what they really care about . . . hint. 'No repercussions for bad behavior???'

My 2 cents

 

[elcapitan009]

Did you read my post above? It's not the white guy driving to work everyday in his financed vehicle that is oppressing you. Educate yourself. This isn't my race against yours, it's greed run a muck that is plaguing us. Learn to live debt free and teach your neighbor the same.

Yeah except class warfare manipulates people to turn on each other. I'm not turning on anyone, I'm saying that we should allow ourselves to be uncomfortable with the thought of social injustice and inequality. If we can't face it, we'll never fix it.

 

[elcapitan009]

Spirited debate fellas but let's not resort to calling each other names over political issues. We're Longhorns and we're better than that. And there's plenty enough of that nonsense going around already . . . Dont ya think?

How's about we take the politics out of the equation for a sec and look at these protests through the lens of business, shall we?

Marketing is the art/science of how to effectively sell a product, service or idea so that the sells or adoption rates increase or are maximized for said product, service or idea. The 1st thing they teach you in Marteting class is 'Never piss off your customers or potential customers'.

So from an NFL Marketing perspective these protests have been a disaster. 50% or more of the folks in the stands or viewing on TV think they're a slap in the face to those that have made the ultimate sacrifice for our country. Declining viewership and the arguments in this post are a testament to that fact.

Listen, if these players truly want to drive change in how the police deal with the black community . . . These protests are not the vehicle that will take them there. They need everyone on their side and these protests won't do that. And they'll need to accept a level of responsibility for these occurrences instead of placing 100% of the blame on the police.

What ESPN is doing right now makes business sense to me. If the players truly care about social justice then they'll switch tactics and do something else that is more effective. If they just drop it then that will speak volumes as to what they really care about . . . hint. 'No repercussions for bad behavior???'

My 2 cents

100% agree that this is a commercial decision for the NFL, but the problem is the NFL needs the players in order to sell the product.

 

[2300 Nueces]

I agree that people who don't pay their full balance off on their credit card monthly are fools. And living above your means is for fools as well.

But what about your mortgage or business loans? Kill those and things would crash. If people had to pay cash, your home would be almost impossible to sale. And poor and working class people would be screwed. Housing prices would fall to pennies on the dollar. The rich would buy up housing for pennies on the dollar, then rent to the unwashed masses living pay check to pay check. If housing prices fell 50%+, I'd pull everything out of market and buy houses too. All these folks who could no longer get a loan would be great tenants.

Now our government has gone crazy with debt. Both parties. And they do it because citizens are stupid and most handle their personal finances in the same foolish way.

Yes there would be an adjustment but if the interest was eliminated on all existing loans and were allowed to be paid off over the original term, the adjustment would be lessened. The damage done to peoples lives by the never ending credit cycle is absolutely horrible. Isn't this what we are really talking about? The ability to issue currency and then lend it out at interest is theft. This is why Jesus treated the money changers at the temple so rudely. They are doing the same to us. So point being, we need to return to delayed gratification instead of a "gimme that now" mentality. Having to save and then purchase has been lost to our culture.

If there is no advantage to be stolen by issuing currency and then lending it at interest, then they won't do it. People will have to live more conservatively. Might I say though that the decrease in asset prices will greatly benefit those that do the actual "work" like plumbers, framers, tradesmen because their services will still be needed while asset prices greatly decrease. It's all the financiers and what not that will be sol. The currency should be issued by a government of the people but remember no usury can be allowed. Once usury starts, people willing sell themselves into slavery.

 

[2300 Nueces]

Yeah except class warfare manipulates people to turn on each other. I'm not turning on anyone, I'm saying that we should allow ourselves to be uncomfortable with the thought of social injustice and inequality. If we can't face it, we'll never fix it.

Dude, the only way you ever eliminate personal prejudices and financial ineqaulity is by having all people live the 10 Commandments perfectly or by creating a thought police a la 1984. The first would be great and the later won't happen while I'm alive (I'll be dead because I'll die fighting against it).

 

[elcapitan009]

Dude, the only way you ever eliminate personal prejudices and financial ineqaulity is by having all people live the 10 Commandments perfectly or by creating a thought police a la 1984. The first would be great and the later won't happen while I'm alive (I'll be dead because I'll die fighting against it).

getting a little too corner of the street preachy for me. but you do you, boo

 

[2300 Nueces]

getting a little too corner of the street preachy for me. but you do you, boo

And what is the "SJW" crap? It reeks of thought control dude.

 

[FlourBluffHorn]

My opinion of you and your feelings of the situation are based on what you presented in the thread.

You obviously have blind spots if you fail to acknowledge that kneeling has garnered attention to social injustice issues. You can disagree with the action, but to say it hasn't warranted discussion that would have otherwise gone by unnoticed is ignoring the very discussion we're having.

Leave MM alone Captain, looks like MM above ya a little in thoughts, your nothing but a radical shit starter with blind spots...!


Hook'em

 

[elcapitan009]

Leave MM alone Captain, looks like MM above ya a little in thoughts, your nothing but a radical shit starter with blind spots...!

Hook'em

fluff, go take your pills before you say something racist again.

 

[elcapitan009]

And what is the "SJW" crap? It reeks of thought control dude.

i don't let the tv control my thoughts because i eat a ton of raw cranberries to give my blood the anti-oxidants to fight the microwaves the government uses on us. look it up

 

[2300 Nueces]

i don't let the tv control my thoughts because i eat a ton of raw cranberries to give my blood the anti-oxidants to fight the microwaves the government uses on us. look it up

Wait, what?

 

[mm42]

Yes there would be an adjustment but if the interest was eliminated on all existing loans and were allowed to be paid off over the original term, the adjustment would be lessened. The damage done to peoples lives by the never ending credit cycle is absolutely horrible. Isn't this what we are really talking about? The ability to issue currency and then lend it out at interest is theft. This is why Jesus treated the money changers at the temple so rudely. They are doing the same to us. So point being, we need to return to delayed gratification instead of a "gimme that now" mentality. Having to save and then purchase has been lost to our culture.

If there is no advantage to be stolen by issuing currency and then lending it at interest, then they won't do it. People will have to live more conservatively. Might I say though that the decrease in asset prices will greatly benefit those that do the actual "work" like plumbers, framers, tradesmen because their services will still be needed while asset prices greatly decrease. It's all the financiers and what not that will be sol. The currency should be issued by a government of the people but remember no usury can be allowed. Once usury starts, people willing sell themselves into slavery.

I only read to the part about eliminating the interest on all existing loans, and stopped reading. Contracts have been signed, straight up theft. People could have invested that money in something else, why should they be harshly punished for investing in you? Not trying to be mean, but this is about the worst, most greedy idea I have ever heard.

Do you hate old people? If this happened they would be so screwed. All those safe investments would be wiped out. Granny would be going back to work. Now 25 year olds would make out like bandits, I'll give you that.

 

[clob94]

And in other news---


College football starts tomorrow when two powerhouses collide!


In this corner---- the flaming pineapples from Hawaii.

In the other corner---- the pot smoking mountain sheep from colorado state.

 

[2300 Nueces]

I only read to the part about eliminating the interest on all existing loans, and stopped reading. Contracts have been signed, straight up theft. People could have invested that money in something else, why should they be harshly punished for investing in you? Not trying to be mean, but this is about the worst, most greedy idea I have ever heard.

Do you hate old people? If this happened they would be so screwed. All those safe investments would be wiped out. Granny would be going back to work. Now 25 year olds would make out like bandits, I'll give you that.

Extracting interest through currency, contracts, law is all slavery. It's debt assigned to another so the issuer does not have to work. It breaks down at the most basic element as the theft of another's labor. Now that is criminal.

I know we are past the point of no return. My idea will never happen. Back to work.....

 

[TheTruthof2018]

Actually the bigger issue is that one side believes they have a monopoly on "Patriotism".
Not standing for the National Anthem is our rights as an American. Dictatorships force people to do things against their will.

My bigger issue is people who claim to love American and will stand and fight for this country are not doing a single thing about our American institutions being under attack at the current moment.

I don't what to turn this into something deeper than it already is but when people are acting like they are celebrating the people who sacrificed their lives for this country it makes me wonder why more people don't speak out against certain political leaders and political commentators who attack what they call the " Deep state ".

These are the men and women who represent our country and fight for the things that we believe in as Americans.
Forcing people to stand for the National anthem is not something we believe in as Americans.

 

[FlourBluffHorn]

fluff, go take your pills before you say something racist again.

Hook'em

 

[mm42]

Extracting interest through currency, contracts, law is all slavery. It's debt assigned to another so the issuer does not have to work. It breaks down at the most basic element as the theft of another's labor. Now that is criminal.

How about free will? Why should you be protected from your own stupidity? Do you think slaves were given an option of being a slave or not? They weren't.

If you make $60K a year and have a $400K dollar home it will end badly. But you are only a slave to your own stupidity, not some evil bogey man. Bankers don't make people borrow money, they only allow it. People need to take some personal responsibility for their decisions in life.

We live in the greatest country in the history of the world, if you can't make it here. You couldn't make it anywhere. At some point, it is a you problem.

 

[LonghornMM]

Spirited debate fellas but let's not resort to calling each other names over political issues. We're Longhorns and we're better than that. And there's plenty enough of that nonsense going around already . . . Dont ya think?

How's about we take the politics out of the equation for a sec and look at these protests through the lens of business, shall we?

Marketing is the art/science of how to effectively sell a product, service or idea so that the sells or adoption rates increase or are maximized for said product, service or idea. The 1st thing they teach you in Marteting class is 'Never piss off your customers or potential customers'.

So from an NFL Marketing perspective these protests have been a disaster. 50% or more of the folks in the stands or viewing on TV think they're a slap in the face to those that have made the ultimate sacrifice for our country. Declining viewership and the arguments in this post are a testament to that fact.

Listen, if these players truly want to drive change in how the police deal with the black community . . . These protests are not the vehicle that will take them there. They need everyone on their side and these protests won't do that. And they'll need to accept a level of responsibility for these occurrences instead of placing 100% of the blame on the police.

What ESPN is doing right now makes business sense to me. If the players truly care about social justice then they'll switch tactics and do something else that is more effective. If they just drop it then that will speak volumes as to what they really care about . . . hint. 'No repercussions for bad behavior???'

My 2 cents

Very well said.

 

[TheTruthof2018]

How about free will? Why should you be protected from your own stupidity? Do you think slaves were given an option of being a slave or not? They weren't.

If you make $60K a year and have a $400K dollar home it will end badly. But you are only a slave to your own stupidity, not some evil bogey man. Bankers don't make people borrow money, they only allow it. People need to take some personal responsibility for their decisions in life.

We live in the greatest country in the history of the world, if you can't make it here. You couldn't make it anywhere. At some point, it is a you problem.

Untrue.
All of the major economic downturns in this country were started in the banking sector.

Capitalism depends on capital(money).
The loaning and borrowing of money is the fuel for the economy so when people can't get loans the economy dies.

There is not one single person in this country that is not dependent on the banks at some level or another.

 

[mm42]

Untrue.
All of the major economic downturns in this country were started in the banking sector.

Capitalism depends on capital(money).
The loaning and borrowing of money is the fuel for the economy so when people can't get loans the economy dies.

There is not one single person in this country that is not dependent on the banks at some level or another.

Maybe I was unclear. I think the ability to borrow and loan money is essential and if we stopped we would be a 3rd world country in a very short time.

 

[TheTruthof2018]

Maybe I was unclear. I think the ability to borrow and loan money is essential and if we stopped we would be a 3rd world country in a very short time.

I agree.

You can be very thrifty with your money and not buy things on credit or even take out second mortgages on your house and still be hurt by risky loans and people making unsound business choices.

Especially in certain areas of work like construction or even in retirement plans.

 

[2300 Nueces]

Maybe I was unclear. I think the ability to borrow and loan money is essential and if we stopped we would be a 3rd world country in a very short time.

And there it is.... if our country is a third world country without loans then what are we?

 

[LonghornMM]

My opinion of you and your feelings of the situation are based on what you presented in the thread.

You obviously have blind spots if you fail to acknowledge that kneeling has garnered attention to social injustice issues. You can disagree with the action, but to say it hasn't warranted discussion that would have otherwise gone by unnoticed is ignoring the very discussion we're having.

Yes, the kneeling has garnered attention, but IMO, not positive attention that will make a difference. The well thought out activities and money that has been donated to causes to help social injustice are positive steps and that's what its going to take to change things. Kneeling or raising a fist will not change a thing. The message that kind of thing sends is that "I'm a divisive militant", which turns people off.

If these guys were so committed to stopping ALL violence against blacks, why aren't they just as passionate about black on black crime? Seems that they are only interested in making a fuss over things when it involves a white police officer, or whites in general who are violent towards a black person. All lives matter. Not just the very small percentage of black lives taken by police officers. All of the killings in Chicago are a perfect example. Where is all of the outrage and "protests" about all of those black lives lost? They're no less important than the ones who have been shot by police officers, yet they don't seem to make a fuss over their deaths.

 

[2300 Nueces]

I agree.

You can be very thrifty with your money and not buy things on credit or even take out second mortgages on your house and still be hurt by risky loans and people making unsound business choices.

Especially in certain areas of work like construction or even in retirement plans.

Yes, socialized debt is destructive to all who live under it and the payment of stated debt is always put upon the poorest and least wise among us. Aren't we called to something higher than that?

Btw, this is how the SJW is created.....

For the record, I am no commie pig. I am for the cessation of usury as a means to profit. Once usury is outlawed, all forms of communism and it's offspring go away because purchasing power is restored to the common person and assets are once again affordable.

 

[mm42]

Yes, socialized debt is destructive to all who live under it and the payment of stated debt is always put upon the poorest and least wise among us. Aren't we called to something higher than that?

Btw, this is how the SJW is created.....

For the record, I am no commie pig. I am for the cessation of usury as a means to profit. Once usury is outlawed, all forms of communism and it's offspring go away because purchasing power is restored to the common person and assets are once again affordable.

When you say usury, do you mean: extremely high interest rates far above normal or do you just mean charging interest for borrowing money? Are you against charging different people different rates based on risk of repayment?

 

[2300 Nueces]

When you say usury, do you mean: extremely high interest rates far above normal or do you just mean charging interest for borrowing money? Are you against charging different people different rates based on risk of repayment?

No, none of that. The issue at hand is fractional reserve banking. Fractional reserve banking requires that debt increase into perpetuity for the economy to grow. When debt decreases, the economy shrinks aka a credit cycle. Fractional reserve banking is the creation of currency from thin air which is lent out at interest via debt instruments (think gov bonds). If ever increasing amounts of money are not created, the defaults and required interest payments devour market liquidity and markets crash.

I am against all forms of usury. Usury steals from the people who provide value through their labor and transfers wealth to those who have created a scheme through a monetary system. This is slavery. It is not the form of slavery we understand from the 1700 and 1800's but the former form known to the Roman Empire. The borrower is slave to the lender because one must work to earn the income to pay the interest required keep the lender from foreclosing.

Easy loans drive inflation by pulling future work income to the present. This coupled with increasing amounts of debt based currency (covered above) drive inflation. When purchasing normal assets such as homes, food, gas, begin to require more loans on top of loans we get communism and such because few understand the complexity of the usurers system but taking from our neighbor seems plausible.

You are correct people need to be protected from their own greed. The lender and the borrower engage in this dance and ultimately both pay in economic collapse but the borrower pays much more. This is a game of the higher IQ individuals taking advantage of the lower IQ individuals and I am not for it. If you remove usury (lending at interest) many ills are cured.

Edit: To answer your last question, lending at different rates to varying credit risks is negligible. Your credit score is little more than a slave score. Are you a good slave or a bad one?

 

[Metcalf #2]

F*ck it sure would be nice if fall camp would hurry up and get here.