I just do not trust 247 sports

[Iitbhorn3]

They are owned by CBS which cares only about the SEC.

Folks like Bobby/EJ/Mike all seem OK.
But, the other sites and owners just stink.

That is purely my perception. No data to back it up.

I had a chance to talk to a college athlete who was in a big-10 school. He acknowledged how dirty and corrupt college recruiting was and how dirty the SEC really is.

 

[mm42]

They are owned by CBS which cares only about the SEC.

Folks like Bobby/EJ/Mike all seem OK.
But, the other sites and owners just stink.

That is purely my perception. No data to back it up.

I had a chance to talk to a college athlete who was in a big-10 school. He acknowledged how dirty and corrupt college recruiting was and how dirty the SEC really is.

You only have 3 options for recruiting rankings, and ESPN barely counts. 247 & Rivals are ok. And yea, recruiting is dirty as it gets.

 

[outhereincali]

They are owned by CBS which cares only about the SEC.

Folks like Bobby/EJ/Mike all seem OK.
But, the other sites and owners just stink.

That is purely my perception. No data to back it up.

I had a chance to talk to a college athlete who was in a big-10 school. He acknowledged how dirty and corrupt college recruiting was and how dirty the SEC really is.

No their SEC bias is real. For those people it's the SEC, the little ten, Clemson and everyone else.

Out here in northern Cali there was a 5* athlete from Reno, NV who committed to WA. Then last summer the kid doesn't report says he has family issues and that WA is to far from home. So what happens? A few days later the kid asks for a release and guess where he goes to? Why Alabama of course. Try to figure that one out. So yeah the SEC is corrupt.

 

[2300 Nueces]

No their SEC bias is real. For those people it's the SEC, the little ten, Clemson and everyone else.

Out here in northern Cali there was a 5* athlete from Reno, NV who committed to WA. Then last summer the kid doesn't report says he has family issues and that WA is to far from home. So what happens? A few days later the kid asks for a release and guess where he goes to? Why Alabama of course. Try to figure that one out. So yeah the SEC is corrupt.

So if you're Tom Herman and you know this, what do you do? He was a coach at Bama and tosu which are two of the dirtiest programs. There's this little know fact the Texas has the wealthiest boosters by a factor of 10. Time to fight fire with fire?

 

[Iitbhorn3]

They are extremely protective of their turf. So, Texas is not just competing with Florida or Georgia or Alabama for TS. They are competing against the SEC machinery.

This machinery was really put in place after Auburn was not picked to play in the BCS game following their undefeated season.

 

[2300 Nueces]

They are extremely protective of their turf. So, Texas is not just competing with Florida or Georgia or Alabama for TS. They are competing against the SEC machinery.

This machinery was really put in place after Auburn was not picked to play in the BCS game following their undefeated season.

Please elaborate on "machinery".

 

[LonghornMM]

So if you're Tom Herman and you know this, what do you do? He was a coach at Bama and tosu which are two of the dirtiest programs. There's this little know fact the Texas has the wealthiest boosters by a factor of 10. Time to fight fire with fire?

What is so odd and jacked up is none of the $EC schools turn the others in for cheating at recruiting, even when they get beat out for recruits by rival schools. Their mentality seems to be, "everyone does" it and its an acceptable practice within the conference. The whole conference is ridiculously shady about recruiting, scheduling, academics, and bowl selections/who goes where. Not to mention the media bias and under the table stuff that goes on with the $EC brass with the media.

 

[Iitbhorn3]

Please elaborate on "machinery".

the organization or structure of something.

 

[mm42]

They are extremely protective of their turf. So, Texas is not just competing with Florida or Georgia or Alabama for TS. They are competing against the SEC machinery.

This machinery was really put in place after Auburn was not picked to play in the BCS game following their undefeated season.

If that machinery was all it's cracked up to be Georgia would have gotten into the playoffs. I sometimes think the SEC office is happy as long as Alabama is happy. Which is almost always.

 

[Son of Wasatch]

College football as a whole is one big hypocrisy, does not good to single out recruiting.

What is so odd and jacked up is none of the $EC schools turn the others in for cheating at recruiting, even when they get beat out for recruits by rival schools. Their mentality seems to be, "everyone does" it and its an acceptable practice within the conference. The whole conference is ridiculously shady about recruiting, scheduling, academics, and bowl selections/who goes where. Not to mention the media bias and under the table stuff that goes on with the $EC brass with the media.

They play this little game where boosters from different schools will make an arrangement. Booster from school A will pay a kid to pick school B and Booster from school B will pay a kid to pick school A. It's a prearrangement that the NCAA can't do much about. If the Booster is turned in who cares he isn't affiliated with that school. It's a country club thing, usually arranged on a golf course.

 

[mm42]

College football as a whole is one big hypocrisy, does not good to single out recruiting.


They play this little game where boosters from different schools will make an arrangement. Booster from school A will pay a kid to pick school B and Booster from school B will pay a kid to pick school A. It's a prearrangement that the NCAA can't do much about. If the Booster is turned in who cares he isn't affiliated with that school. It's a country club thing, usually arranged on a golf course.

Really? So a longhorn paid Daylon Mack to go to A&M and an aggie bought Brandon Jones a truck to go to Texas? I am doubting it.

 

[Son of Wasatch]

Really? So a longhorn paid Daylon Mack to go to A&M and an aggie bought Brandon Jones a truck to go to Texas? I am doubting it.

It's a SEC thing, not a Texas thing. As I understand it, it was a Ole Miss and Bama thing.

 

[outhereincali]

It goes like this. When I was growing up in the 70's there were a lot of great dynasties but the greatest imo was the UCLA dynasty in basketball. They won 10 titles in 12 years. There was just one thing they were cheating big time. They won their last title in 1975 and they've won 1 title since then. One.

This Bama dynasty equals this. They've won 5 titles in.9 years they're favored to win #6 next month. It doesn't matter who moves on somebody replaces them and they don't miss a beat. Am I the only one on this board who thinks this is a little bit unusual?

And as far as the SEC goes think about this. There are 14 schools in the SEC. 5 of them are states that don't have professional sports. They don't want to report any possible rules violations they want to ride the gravy train. If anyone is going to report any wrongdoings it will come from out of state.

And in regards to tOSU I don't know about their recruiting but they seem to recruit a lot of bad guys players with assault charges who never get disciplined. Believe me Zach Smith isn't the only one.

My .02 worth

 

[outhereincali]

And another thing about I don't like about the SEC. This IMG academy in Bradenton, FL this doesn't pass the smell test with me.
The more I learn about this place the more questions I have. Imo, this is basically a boarding school for fb players. It's all male and they are supposed to have strict standards when it comes to academics. But here's the thing. The fb games there are no cheerleaders, no marching bands, nobody but scouts there. Yes they play good competition but it sounds like a farm club. And it's mostly kids from southern states who go to SEC schools. That said ND's star rb went there and we did recruit Noah Cain who also went there. But the more I investigate the more convinced I am that there is a not so subtle a connection between IMG and the SEC. And it's legal they found a way to go around the system that will for all intents and purposes breed fb players almost exclusively for the SEC.

 

[2300 Nueces]

There is no doubt that bama and the sec in general cheat. The payoffs are obvious. Especially to out of state kids that had no interest in these schools growing up. They are sub standard academic institutions and breed corruption. The case for most of the sec schools cheating might be easier to prove than the players at Baylor taking payments during briles time as coach. Non of the players at Baylor were ever indicted, why? On the stand the payment scheme used to buy players would have been easily uncovered. This was the real coverup.

 

[outhereincali]

Dyk that at Alabama there are more students from out of state than in state? I mean this is the flagship school. The education system is so bad that there's not enough students that can get in there.

 

[Longyac]

So if you're Tom Herman and you know this, what do you do? He was a coach at Bama and tosu which are two of the dirtiest programs. There's this little know fact the Texas has the wealthiest boosters by a factor of 10. Time to fight fire with fire?

Never

 

[2300 Nueces]

Never

SO, we hold TH to a higher performance standard while he has to sign kids with slick twitter pictures while lil jimbo uses a few million. Not sure that is fair.

 

[LongfellowDrew]

Burnt Orange Nation. Who writes for them? They always have some negative shit!

 

[STH89]

Just need Herman to supply some hookers like slick Ricky Pitino at Louisville did. Ain't nothing better than some stripping poon tang. That will sell itself.

 

[mm42]

SO, we hold TH to a higher performance standard while he has to sign kids with slick twitter pictures while lil jimbo uses a few million. Not sure that is fair.

If this was true, do you really think Texas would ever sign another blue chip poor kid? If one competitor is paying millions and the other nothing, then they really aren't competitors. I am not saying we are clean, but I don't think we are dirty either. Of course, I don't think anybody other than maybe Stanford is actually clean. 99% of the time, it's boosters paying, not the coaches. Every program trying to win has aggressive boosters. I think the money is normally a lot less than we dream, and sadly more standardized.

 

[LonghornMM]

If this was true, do you really think Texas would ever sign another blue chip poor kid? If one competitor is paying millions and the other nothing, then they really aren't competitors. I am not saying we are clean, but I don't think we are dirty either. Of course, I don't think anybody other than maybe Stanford is actually clean. 99% of the time, it's boosters paying, not the coaches. Every program trying to win has aggressive boosters. I think the money is normally a lot less than we dream, and sadly more standardized.

For the most part, I agree with you. However, the $EC is the most bassakwards, dirtiest conference of them all. It's an odd fraternity that looks the other way and won't turn any of their competitors in when they all cheat like hell. It's the $EC way. I hope that conference burns to the ground one day.

 

[mm42]

For the most part, I agree with you. However, the $EC is the most bassakwards, dirtiest conference of them all. It's an odd fraternity that looks the other way and won't turn any of their competitors in when they all cheat like hell. It's the $EC way. I hope that conference burns to the ground one day.

I think you can almost tie the amount of cheating to the amount of passion. Schools that really care are going to be more likely to do whatever it takes. My guess would be the most aggressive boosters are in the SEC. Then the BIG10, BIG12, ACC, & finally the PAC12. I don't think they care enough to cheat on the west coast, other than USC and Oregon. The ACC has basketball to spend their money on and I bet they are the dirtiest in that sport. But yea, I bet the SEC has the most schools paying full price.

 

[Longyac]

247 has fallen in love with the SEC commits and camp performance. It reminds me a lot of when Rivals got lazy and went with what schools offered and Florida kids over watching tape thus making 247 the most accurate recruiting site back then

 

[mm42]

247 has fallen in love with the SEC commits and camp performance. It reminds me a lot of when Rivals got lazy and went with what schools offered and Florida kids over watching tape thus making 247 the most accurate recruiting site back then

It isn't just 247. Rivals top 4 classes are all SEC, and 9 of top 20. ESPN has 10 of top 20 from the SEC. 247 is no different from anyone else in the industry, they all think the same thing.

And offers matter. I care a lot more about what Saban, Smart, Harbaugh, Sweeney, Fisher, Herman, Riley etc. think than EJ Holland, Taylor Hamm, or Ketchum.