Brown has more conference titles as a quarterback than Vince Young, Colt McCoy, Major Applewhite, Chris Simms and Sam Ehlinger combined.
Save me the yawn shit like winning conference titles is old hat around here.
Hmm, and yet you have brown above both street and Layne? Either of their careers kicks Browns career by at least double and likely 10x.
Brown has more conference titles as a quarterback than Vince Young, Colt McCoy, Major Applewhite, Chris Simms and Sam Ehlinger combined.
Save me the yawn shit like winning conference titles is old hat around here.
Yes, Texas can theoretically claim a shared SWC title in 1994. A year Aggy went 6-0-1 while 5 other teams went 4-3 in conference. Aggy was on probation and Texas theoretically can claim a conference title.
Hey we tied Rice for 3rd worst record in the SWC at 4-3. How does Aggy say it? Whoooop!!! Stop with that Aggy chest thumping over that title. Irrelevant and almost a negative to your argument.
School W L T Pct W L T Pct
Texas 8 4 0 .667 4 3 0 .571
Baylor 7 5 0 .583 4 3 0 .571
Texas Christian 7 5 0 .583 4 3 0 .571
Texas Tech 6 6 0 .500 4 3 0 .571
Rice 5 6 0 .455 4 3 0 .571
Texas A&M 10 0 1 .955 6 0 1 .929
Houston 1 10 0 .091 1 6 0 .143
SMU 1 9 1 .136 0 6 1 .071
Yes, Texas won the final SWC title in 1995 which was great. I was there for every game (home) and watched every away game.
James Brown was not the reason we won that title. You might not remember but Ricky and Shon was the reason we won that title.
In the weakest year of the SWC in a long time, we played 2 ranked SWC teams, Tech #23 and Aggy #16
Texas went 10-2-1 and 7-0 in SWC.
Losses to #21 ND 55-27
Tied #12OU 24-24
Beat #15 Virginia 17-16 on the kick
Beat #24 Tech 48-7
Ricky and Shon went for 222 on 26 carries, 3 TDs. Brown was 10-23 for 174 and 2 TDs (play action anyone)
Beat #16 Aggy 16-6
Ricky and Shon went for 258 on 43 carries 2 TDs , while brown went 29-12-1 for 147, 0 TDs (play action again)
So that leaves 1996. A year Texas went 8-5 and 6-2 in the Big12.
Texas lost to every ranked team we played until the Big12 title game. That includes a loss to an OU team that went 3-8 and 3-5 in conference. That OU team lost their first 3 teams that year, all of them in the WAC, TCU, San Diego St and Tulsa. They also lost their first Big12 game ever losing to Kansas 52-24.
They started the year 0-4 and then got their first Big12 victory ever against #25 ranked Texas 30-27.
Yeah.
Texas also lost to #9 ND narrowly (27-24).
Lost badly to #17 Virginia 37-17
and #8 Colorado 28-24
The only good team they beat that entire year happened to be Nebraska (who clearly was looking ahead) 37-27.
They then went on to get destroyed by Penn State 38-15 in the Fiesta Bowl.
In those games, if the other team sold out on the run and were able to slow/stop the rush, they won. And in those cases, Brown was unable to make them pay in almost every case.
Perennially Brown was a ballpark .500 ish career passer
1994 80-115-2 69.6% 12 TDs to 2 picks (surprising year for me and never to be seen again, I can see where the optimism came from)
1995 163-322-12 50.6% 19 TDs to 12 picks
1996 170-299-12 56.9% 17 TDs to 12 picks
This is the Longhorn QB you would put above 20-0 James Street and Bobby Layne who won more games and started more seasons and won more championships than every single Longhorn QB in the NFL combined? Oh he was also a 4 time All SWC player. In both football and baseball. Oh yeah Street was also an All SWC player in both football and baseball.
Your argument against Colt might be valid related to results or championships, but not on performance, but I think that is mostly moot related to the listing.
The only argument is for the first 3, which is Vince, Street and Layne in some order. That's group 1. Group 2 is Colt, James B and likely another older guy like Duke Carlisle. I am fine with Brown ahead of Colt, but maybe behind Duke or maybe somebody else I am not familiar with. But that is only based on results not performance. If its performance, you can't put Brown ahead of Colt. Simply impossible as Colt beats Brown on every possible measurement.
