i assume 10/90 vs TCU.... We will get crushed...
i assume 50/50 vs WVU.... This is the game that will determine 7 - 5 or 6 - 6 finish..
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i assume 10/90 vs TCU.... We will get crushed...
i assume 50/50 vs WVU.... This is the game that will determine 7 - 5 or 6 - 6 finish..
Did I really use the world "great"? That does not sound like me at all.
Well, my point is, we don't know what we don't know. Is it 7-5? I doubt if we lose to WV that the energy the team has right now will continue. They are focused on winning out, for Charlie. If we lose, we probably lose to TCU. If we win this Saturday, it shows where we are as I think WV is a fairly decent bunch, and we can beat TCU. I think it swings this weekend, like it would have it we had lost to Tech. However, my whole thing is we just don't know what will happen. I am focused on winning, for my University I graduated from, the young men and I feel its the right thing. Scenarios will sort themselves out and just don't deserve as much commentary as it is getting here right now. Especially those that get way too personal on the man.
I think Charlie is gone if we get crushed by TCU at home. If we lose, I hope we do get crushed so we can move to the next chapter. Charlie returning at 7-5 is the nightmare scenario.
Yup. And Liverpool has money to spend after turning a profit in the last transfer period.
Ha, I watched free UFC.
Yeah, I was worried about him breathing there for a few minutes. Scary stuff.
This might be even more confusing than the Trump charge.Nice! Now OB.com is now your own editorial page. Well hang in there Ketch! Who knows, maybe Kirk Bohls can get you on at the paper. I'm sure they might need someone to help with the fishing reports.!
I've thought Charlie was below the bar since last season.
The details of getting to seven matter as much as the seven themselves.
You're right on CS staying through 2017...much of the other stuff is chaff.
This board has become "toxic" because of the constant losing.
As I said during the offseason and throughout most of this season, if you (speaking of Charlie here) want the negativity to go away, start winning regularly. Nothing marginalizes/quells angry fans like winning. I, personally, was hopeful that Strong would prove me wrong in that he would be able to win regularly at Texas, he has not.
ETA: I'm also amused that you're chiding people for being more obsessed than you, but you're paying $9.99/month to talk about football. Also, you've been here 8 years... that's $800 for the privilege of talking about football. It takes a lot of gall (or a complete lack of self awareness) to bash other people's value system after paying all that $ to TALK about football.
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I have 30 DMs I need to reply to today. Ugh.Oh, so you're all over 205 but you can't respond to a PM? Yes, I read the whole column and those are the only words I cared about this week.
Every Internet message board is called toxic from the moment it starts. There is still a lot of guilt consumed over the idea that people communicate in such manner.
I'm willing to give Gilbert a pass on some of his play calling. On the 1st and 2nd down running plays, Foreman looked as though the invisible horse collar may have dinged him a bit.
The zone read and subsequent incompletions? Hopefully he'll learn from those.
What I don't understand is how Charlie can play football for years, be an assistant under big time coaches, but seemingly not have a clue as to game and time management. I'm not sure what he saw when he called a TO early the second half with TT inside the 10, but I hate wasting a TO there. Tech was going to score anyway, as they did soon afterwards. His assistant hires, by and large, have sucked; but I like Gilbert, Mattox, Traylor, Jean-Marie, Hayley, Johnson, and Moorer on his current staff. And hard to knock Williams given the WR production.
And I'm not sure that Charlie can get to 7 wins. Kansas makes 6; WV and TCU? Toss ups at best. We'll see.
Hook 'em!!!
The zone read and subsequent incompletions? Hopefully he'll learn from those.
What I don't understand is how Charlie can play football for years, be an assistant under big time coaches, but seemingly not have a clue as to game and time management. I'm not sure what he saw when he called a TO early the second half with TT inside the 10, but I hate wasting a TO there. Tech was going to score anyway, as they did soon afterwards. His assistant hires, by and large, have sucked; but I like Gilbert, Mattox, Traylor, Jean-Marie, Hayley, Johnson, and Moorer on his current staff. And hard to knock Williams given the WR production.
And I'm not sure that Charlie can get to 7 wins. Kansas makes 6; WV and TCU? Toss ups at best. We'll see.
Hook 'em!!!
It would be nice if the mods supported a bit more nuance around here. The "worst coach ever" thing draws battelines right away and is very youtube-comments like, adding a lot of heat with no light.
Strong de-pussified the locker room when it was sorely needed, brought a standard of basic human decency along with a willingness (very much unlike his peers) to enforce it even when it hurt him, is an elite talent evaluator, and is a really good (maybe even great) defensive mind. As Scipio notes here we'll ultimately be glad that Strong was the coach here and Strong will very likely leave the program in a better state than he found it. None of that belies the basic facts (also noted in Scipio's comment) that a) Strong is failing miserably at the executive management tasks of his job, and b) it remains incomprehensible what this defensive staff was doing in the offseason but it's clear they weren't teaching football. That b) happened at all is bad enough at $5M per year; that it happened on Strong's side of the ball is even worse.
Focusing on win totals (6-6 vs 7-5 vs 8-4) is a rhetorical trap that obscures these basic process failures that by their very nature put a ceiling on this team's performance. *That's* the conversation that needs to be had and we'd likely all be a lot less grumpy with each other if we had any collective sense that the leadership of this school was in a position to have it. To Ketch's credit, he's been calling out for a while the dangers of a placeholder AD, and we're seeing those dangers come to fruition. But as we prepare to say goodbye to our head coach (this year, next year, whatever; the ceiling is there), can we at least acknowledge the good even as we call out the bad?
Strong de-pussified the locker room when it was sorely needed, brought a standard of basic human decency along with a willingness (very much unlike his peers) to enforce it even when it hurt him, is an elite talent evaluator, and is a really good (maybe even great) defensive mind. As Scipio notes here we'll ultimately be glad that Strong was the coach here and Strong will very likely leave the program in a better state than he found it. None of that belies the basic facts (also noted in Scipio's comment) that a) Strong is failing miserably at the executive management tasks of his job, and b) it remains incomprehensible what this defensive staff was doing in the offseason but it's clear they weren't teaching football. That b) happened at all is bad enough at $5M per year; that it happened on Strong's side of the ball is even worse.
Focusing on win totals (6-6 vs 7-5 vs 8-4) is a rhetorical trap that obscures these basic process failures that by their very nature put a ceiling on this team's performance. *That's* the conversation that needs to be had and we'd likely all be a lot less grumpy with each other if we had any collective sense that the leadership of this school was in a position to have it. To Ketch's credit, he's been calling out for a while the dangers of a placeholder AD, and we're seeing those dangers come to fruition. But as we prepare to say goodbye to our head coach (this year, next year, whatever; the ceiling is there), can we at least acknowledge the good even as we call out the bad?
Just ribbing you a bit. When I was flipping channels, I stopped on that game for a while when it was 3-nil, I believe.
In any large group of people there will be dissenting opinions, even @Texasags. That said, it can be largely eliminated by winning.Every Internet message board is called toxic from the moment it starts. There is still a lot of guilt consumed over the idea that people communicate in such manner.
Charlie Strong's main job, coincidentally, is winning football games.
If he was doing his his job in a semi competent manner, most people complaining would be quiet.
Very well said, except @Ketchum is accurate in pointing out that Strong is the worst head coach in Texas football history.
It was either "great" or "very good". Neither of which is close to describing Tennessee.
I still don't think you understand what I am saying. Liking my Longhorns and willing to pay $10 a month does not, for me anyway, equate to being obsessed over a coach. I am maybe obsessed, really don't think so, with the University I graduated from. Sports teams are part of that for sure. Again, what I am saying is I don't see the need to post over and over about that particular subject WHILE the young men are busting their butts trying to win games. Wait until the offseason or at least stop "so much" the obsession about that one thing. Nothing is going to happen until the season is over, it's just not. Nothing said here will make a difference, it won't. We may go 6-6 and he is let go. Wait and see. We may go 8-4 and win a bowl and he will not and it would not be the end of the world. Wait and see. Toxic is the obsession NOW. Only stoked by the site owner today. Yeah I love UT and willing to pay money to talk football and other sports. Why can't we actually do that though? I don't really keep track of posters so much like some do here but I seem to recall I liked you so I don't think we are doing much more here than having a beer and talking. You can have last word, it is sort of not my thing to use the message board as a chatty room. My email is dennis_dorsey@rocketmail.com. Anytime brother.
Ketch, I don't believe you were as clear as you could have been. While you stated that Strong's performance does not warrant a fourth year, you take no position on whether he should get a fourth year. If you do favor hiring a new coach at the end of this year, help me understand why Texas should evaluate candidates and then hire a new football coach without the long term solution for the AD position leading the search and hire?
If WV and TCU are tossups which seems to be the consensus on OBs. Then the statistics show that there is only a one in four that chance Texas loses both of those games. The odds are 1 in 2 for losing wither game and you multiply 1/2 by 1/2 to get one in four to lose both. Considering Kansas is a win which is no certainty but Texas is a heavy favorite and if we lose to Kansas, we will have trouble beating both TCU and WV. Charlie fans should rejoice as there is a 75% chance that their man will get to the 7-5 goal. All that assumes that 7-5 gives Charlie another year but those bashing Ketch for his stance on Charlie's coaching haven't argued against Ketch's contention that his sources say 7-5 is the number for Charlie.
