I did read the article.
I know that he had three games that were statistically equal or better than that before that game.
Also, you have to know that beating the Giants was a bigger deal in week 5 than anything else that happened that season. Dallas always played Washington well.
Hell, he caught 6 for 149 and 3 TD against Green as a rookie when Dallas nearly cost itself a chance to land Aikman when they beat Washington 24-17 behind his 3 TD in the second to last game of the season.
We just disagree on the notion of his "breakout".
Lol. You think a home win in game 5 was bigger than a road W at unbeaten Wash with their playoff hopes hanging on by a thread?
Uhhh, you might want to read up on that ‘88 game. Specifically how Green missed most of it after breaking his hand. Lol
You called?Last week it was Kevin Durant.
This week it's Michael Irvin's 1991 season.
This thread is always something else.
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what are we going to debate next week?You called?
p.s. Green started in the 1988 game when Irvin went off... broken hand or not.
P.S. Don’t make this hard. ‘91 game at Washington is where both the Cowboys AND Irvin officially took the next step and never looked back. You are so far off on this
Remember when you said Tyron Woodley had 5 more main events/headliners left? 😜what are we going to debate next week?
Best Texas upsets?
Remember when you said Tyron Woodley had 5 more main events/headliners left? 😜
I’m not going to count the freak show fights, and I’m pretty sure after getting KO’d by Jake Paul, he’s not getting any more calls, so no, it’s over. Haha.What did he do? Two? Still got time!
It's never over for Dana. He loves throwing names into fights.I’m not going to count the freak show fights, and I’m pretty sure after getting KO’d by Jake Paul, he’s not getting any more calls, so no, it’s over. Haha.
BTW, in a show of how big of a nerd I am, I still have my newspaper clip outs of the 1991 season.
A few notes that stood out to me.
a. The Cowboys hadn't played into the fourth quarter with the Giants in three seasons before that win in 1991. It was a big deal to even play them close.
b. In the Mickey Spagnola article on the game shown below, Irvin's name is mentioned once in all of the copy that you see. Meanwhile, a number of paragraphs are dedicated to the Harper Hail Mary, with the play called "Rocket".
c. Irvin was referred to in the article (see 7th paragraph) as a"potential Pro Bowler and that he "humbled" Green, but no real special mention of his performance was made in real time as the moment was reported by the Dallas Morning News.
This, sir, is called having receipts.
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Tge Cowboys “did the unheard of,” and “”threw on Pro Bowl cornerback Darrell Green.” Context is everything. You should be smart to understand what that quote means without someone having to actually spell it out for you. Lol
Thanks for the receipts lol.
7th paragraph, no further mention in the entire story.
p.s. who was leading the league in receiving yards entering the game?
You didn't answer the question.lol. Read the article
You’re wrong I’m right
Since you refuse to for obvious reasons, allow me:
“At the start of last season, Irvin was at a turning point in his career. He knew that he had not reached the expectations he had set for himself and vowed to change that.
And change it, he did. In 1991, he was voted to his first Pro Bowl after leading the league in yards receiving with 1,523 and the NFC in catches with 93.
He set a team record with seven 100-yard games and had 11 catches of 25 yards or more and eight touchdowns.
The game in which this role was clearly defined was Dallas’ 24-21 regular-season victory over Washington. Working mostly against all-pro cornerback Darrell Green, Irvin caught nine passes for 130 yards and a touchdown.
The play Irvin remembers most about that game occurred late in the fourth quarter, when the Cowboys needed nine yards on third down. With a seven-point lead, Dallas needed a field goal to ensure victory and Coach Jimmy Johnson looked to Irvin to keep the drive alive.
“Can you get inside?” Johnson asked his standout receiver.
“I have to, don’t I?” Irvin said.
Johnson called for a slant pattern against Green and Irvin beat the Washington defender to the ball to make the first down and help preserve Dallas’ biggest victory of the season.”
Lol, you’re playing checkers my friend. Quite poorly I might add. Since you can bring yourself to admit as such I will move.
The game in which this role was clearly defined was Dallas’ 24-21 regular-season victory over Washington. Working mostly against all-pro cornerback Darrell Green, Irvin caught nine passes for 130 yards and a touchdown.
The play Irvin remembers most about that game occurred late in the fourth quarter, when the Cowboys needed nine yards on third down. With a seven-point lead, Dallas needed a field goal to ensure victory and Coach Jimmy Johnson looked to Irvin to keep the drive alive.
“Can you get inside?” Johnson asked his standout receiver.
“I have to, don’t I?” Irvin said.
Johnson called for a slant pattern against Green and Irvin beat the Washington defender to the ball to make the first down and help preserve Dallas’ biggest victory of the season.
You’re playing checkers my friend. And quite badly. Since you can’t admit the obvious I will simply move past this. Lol
You have my permission to still make fun of Looch, without any $200 cost
No. 10 - And Finally ...
With a little self-reflection on Sunday, I've decided to make a vow moving forward... I will not engage in any further discussion of other sites or the people that work for other sites/networks.
No matter my thoughts about the subject, getting sucked into such things only cheapens me and the site. I can't keep being Marty McFly and getting dragged into the sewage because someone called me chicken.
As someone that has made a point to lay off of the public political chatter, I know all of this comes down to discipline.
Every time I fail to live up to this standard, I will donate $200 to a charity to be named later. I'm done. There's an old saying in this job that there are two kinds of reporters in this world... those that report the news and those that talk about those that report the news. It will be my continued focus to be the former.
You didn't answer the question.
Who led the NFL in receiving yards in 1991 going into week 12?
Calm down man. Calm down.I don’t know. You said Irvin was tied with Gary Clark. I assume you actually looked that up and aren’t lying. Lol.
How many of those first 11 games saw him torch a future HOFer?
How many receptions and yds total did Irvin have in the 3 games immediately prior?
How many receptions and yards did Irvin in the 4 games immediately after?
Do you understand what a “breakout game” is?
More required reading
Focus on how Green described his own play that day. This isn’t difficult son
You could have just stopped there.
You could have stopped a long time ago. Starting with phantom “breakout game” in ‘90. Or calling a 90 yd effort against 2-2 Ray Handley coached Giants a breakout game. Or not knowing Green played very little in the ‘88 game due to a broken. Of course, for someone who preaches “nuance” it’s pretty ironic to rely on a sole simple stat when discussing the topic of a singular breakout game.
Just to summarize, you were wrong when you said Irvin’s “breakout game” against Skins/Green was not the same game you referenced Jimmy’s quote. Honestly a “simple my bad” would have worked better than the bizarre reasonings you came up with regarding the matter of Irvin. Lol
I've already acknowledged that I was wrong about his performance in 1988.
It doesn't mean that his fourth game of the season in which he broke 120+ yards by week 12, which might have been his third or fourth best performance of that season over 16 games (week 13 vs. Woodson and week 16 vs. Deion stand out more to me) was his breakout game.
I've displayed literal copy from the DMN the next morning after the game that far from treated it as some sort of outlier to his season since he was already going to be a Pro Bowler with or without that game.
It's a subjective discussion. We disagree. We both making compelling cases IMO.
How many of those first 11 games saw him torch a future HOFer?
How many receptions and yds total did Irvin have in the 3 games immediately prior?
How many receptions and yards did Irvin in the 4 games immediately after?
Do you understand what a “breakout game” is?
More required reading
Focus on how Green described his own play that day. This isn’t difficult son
The article said “potential.” Lol. More BS from you. I swear you simply don’t understand “breakout game.” You literally argued a sub 100 yd game was a “breakout.” Do you understand why it doesn’t matter if his games against Woodson or Sanders were better in this discussion? It’s because they came AFTER. He literally destroyed a future HOFer that set off a finishing stretch of games that lifted his career. That’s literally a “breakout game.” lol
I mostly argued that his game against the Giants, which doesn't happen without his six catches for 91 yards and a touchdown, including two huge plays late is the equal to his performance vs. Washington, was virtually on the same level.
One was against the defending NFL champs and a team thad dominated the Cowboys in six previous meetings and the other was against a Hall of Fame corner.
Both were huge wins. Both were statement wins when they occurred during that season.
Frankly, I'm surprised that anyone would argue the importance of that Giants win. It was a really big deal in real time.
Lol. Did I ever argue it wasn’t important? I laughed at the argument it was more important than a November game against the unbeaten (subsequent SB champs) with their playoff hopes dangling by a thread. The fact you even want to STILL equate two shows a bizarre lack of nuance or, pardon me, football knowledge. You literally might be the ONLY person clinging to a September home win over 2-2 Ray Handley coached NY team as some epic triumph. I mean shit, why didn’t Jimmy say all that before that Giants game lol? You dang sure are the only one who thinks it was more important than the Washington W.
One was against the defending NFL champs and a team thad dominated the Cowboys in six previous meetings and the other was against a Hall of Fame corner.
Who is DMO?1) I started a thread during the game about Dmo. He was the best player on the field last night. Not to say he’s a better player/prospect than Bijan because that’s silly. But last night he was the best player. He plays like that and he’ll get drafted early to mid rounds.
2) It’s Bama and Georgia and then everybody else. Outside shot for Ohio State, and we’ll see if Clemson has any punch this year. Those are my 4 playoff teams.
3) This is still the best column in the business by far, and the best site. Ignore the rest, numbers don’t lie.
Honestly, this quote is pure stupidity. The Redskins literally were EASILY the best team in the league that season that was punctuated by their beat down of Buffalo in the SB. Lol
Describe Dallas' previous success between 1987-1990 against both teams.
Can you tell me what that tangibly has to do with a 6-5 team struggling to make the playoffs going into the home of the league’s best team who was also unbeaten and coming away with the W? Why didn’t Jimmy Johnson make such a statement after the Giants game? I mean, after all you think it was a bigger game and clearly you think beating 2-2 Ray Handly in Dallas was a much bigger accomplishment than winning in RFK in November against an unbeaten Skins team that was 2 months shy of being crowned SB champs.