Ketch's 10 Thoughts From the Weekend (Let's just talk about it 2.0...)
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@Ketchum well said and totally agree with your thoughts and perspectives. Thank you for being a voice of reason and having empathy for all fans. I too am in listening and learning mode (“seek first to understand, then be understood”) and also had no idea about the racial history of the eyes of texas
You'll forgive me if I don't find a lot of virtue in telling these kids that you'll listen, but only if they do what you tell them to, first.
Also General Eisenhower used the words "The eyes of the world are upon you" on D-Day. Since it was the Cowboys that preformed the ministerial, how about we just get rid of the Cowboys? They have been in trouble too many times.
I agree it is a big stretch. Lee had been dead 34 years at the time. I don't believe the song had anything to do with slavery even at the time it was created. BUT, what I believe does not matter. The players believe the song is racist, so it is. Have you ever tried to convince a 18-22 year old of something they don't believe? Especially when they have someone they trust telling them it is so. I've said it on here before, the Eyes of Texas is done.
What facts do you think they have wrong?
It seems like some people are trying to determine what black people should and shouldn't find racist without much regard for what black people think about the matter.
I find the term “eliminating history” to be intellectually dishonest.
Are we striking it from history books? Is it illegal to play the song on your phone? Is it illegal to read about it on the internet?
Are we striking it from history books? Is it illegal to play the song on your phone? Is it illegal to read about it on the internet?
Are we equating all bad things in life being equal to racism?
I think Ketch.did a great job of listening to,, acknowledging and identifying both sides of this issue. The Eyes expresses a love for the University that is as passionate and well intentioned as Texas Fight expresses a deserved disdain for Aggie. (Funny how that works...) If I am correct the players have carefully worded their statement expressing their concern for the "racial undertones" of origen of The Eyes. It seems that is how I remember it. That is very specific wording and we should pay attention to it. Is The Eyes racist or does it have racial undertones in its origen. Thats a big distinction. It may be the key to solving this. I truly belive that both sides do not want to be misunderstood on this. I also believe in the power of prayer in willing hearts to find a way through this. I dont believe it has to be a binary solution. God bless.
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@Ketchum very good work. I really enjoyed reading it.
Change is hard, and harder for some than others. Hopefully soon, people will realize that these changes have very little impact on their day-to-day lives.
Change is hard, and harder for some than others. Hopefully soon, people will realize that these changes have very little impact on their day-to-day lives.
Martin Luther King was shot in the head.
There are forces working against King and these kids that we don't like to mention out loud in the light of day.
Let's not play the pretend game where we act like there's a path where these kids could have taken to take action that everyone here would have been ok with.
That world doesn't really exist, at least not to the point that anyone has to concede an inch in their thinking and personal desires.
As it relates to this issue, is talking about "football" really the correct approach?
It plays right at the heart of the concept of the players not being seen as human beings, but instead pieces of cattle who are only purposeful as spokes in the UT wagon wheel.
I watched Voddie Baucham’s talk and had my family do the same. I get perception and understand the logic. What I don’t understand is how far I am to take this in society. Perception is fact. When we start getting to the grey areas of minority perceptions, such as The Eyes, when do we stop? The fact, not perception, is that TODAY, and for the past many years, that song and it’s intended meaning by those singing, is NOT racist. I’ve listened to the perception argument, but it is wrong factually in this case. Where is the need for educating people on that? Where will mankind stop in placating us all?
Good post. Glad to hear from you on this.
You won’t get one which is too bad but you have too much logic in your thought process. It’s not emotional enough or based on your feelings.
at any point. Now that you know it's an issue, how do you pretend there's no issue?
Why? You know why. Because those causes aren't what is the emotional priority for these players. They don't have feelings about those like they do about racism. Said differently, they aren't making an intellectual / moral stand, they are having an emotional response to the current moment like a lot of people in the country. Personally, I don't think emotion is what should drive systemic or governmental policy. Inconvenient things like facts, data and analysis would be my chosen ingredients to better decisions and outcomes.
I find your posts ignorant and hypocritical. Who the hell are you to tell me how to feel about the meaning of the Eyes of Texas? You don’t know how hard I worked to get into or how hard I had to work to graduate from Texas and for me that “song” epitomizes a lot more that you realize, which has nothing to do with racism.
If the song is done as you say simply because the players listed it as one of their demands and then collectively hold their breath (ie not recruit) until their demands are met, then that IMO is childish. What happened to education being the driving force behind the University where we learn from our diversity and differences to grow and come together? Are the players the only ones who are entitled to have an opinion and are simply immune from being having to listen to an alternative side in order to move forward amicably?
Maybe the loss of one single donor will not mean anything to the players, but the loss of several donors as you suggest would have enormous impact on them and the perks they currently enjoy. Despite given the opportunity you have made it clear that you are unwilling to step up and put your money where your mouth is in order to cover the cost of my tickets or fill the void of my donation. If all the t-shirt fans like you do the same then a vacuum of longhorn foundation contributions will be left which will have lasting affects on the program. That might allow you and other cheap ones like you the ability to get better seats NEXT year but that is not what your original internet fodder of an offer said. You said you would gladly take the seats of anyone who stops buying them because of this issue. Since I already paid $6,400 this year, then feel free to step up and the tickets are yours.
Lol I faintly remembered so went back and found it in the classics....it's like deja vu reading through it
Maybe said differently - a minority of the UT family has insisted on some various changes / demands that the overwhelming majority of that family is against. The majority can hold that view for valid, non-racist reasons. Instead of trying to compel that majority with reason and argument to change their opinion, they resort to the threat of action that they hope will be viewed as being detrimental to the football program going forward. If any of their demands are so clearly right and founded in reason then argument and debate alone should win the day should it not? And if such an approach hasn't been successful in the past, maybe its because the basis for the change doesn't have the level of merit to enact the change within that family.
I’ve noticed a trend in your style of posting to ignore everything being said and ask a pointless question. Sometimes, as in this case, you add some commentary about the poster.
I’ll play.
What makes you think that the players have shown any concern for tradition or care for how this could play out negatively?
Your responses come off as condescending.
As has been stated, the toothpaste cannot be put back in the bottle. Our song is dead, even though nobody alive has ever sung it with evil in their hearts. At least I got to sing it with my 8 year old son, but now I'm kicking myself for not forcing my 6 year old son (who was 5 at the time) to stay until the end so that we could share that moment. I won't get another chance.
Change is often not easy, and this is a difficult time for many of us. I think what makes it so difficult is that that vast majority of us do not live with hate in our hearts, and some of these changes feel "aimed" at us--even though we all want equality and harmony among all people.
I am losing interest in UT athletics, and sports in general. It used to be an escape from the stress of everyday life, but not anymore. It's a depressing time.
I wonder if the players have a sense that this is dividing, alienating, and possibly eliminating their fan base? That doesn't make their cause any less just, but they need us just as we need them. I'm not sure they see that.
I hope someone comes out of this better off than they were a month ago.
Change is often not easy, and this is a difficult time for many of us. I think what makes it so difficult is that that vast majority of us do not live with hate in our hearts, and some of these changes feel "aimed" at us--even though we all want equality and harmony among all people.
I am losing interest in UT athletics, and sports in general. It used to be an escape from the stress of everyday life, but not anymore. It's a depressing time.
I wonder if the players have a sense that this is dividing, alienating, and possibly eliminating their fan base? That doesn't make their cause any less just, but they need us just as we need them. I'm not sure they see that.
I hope someone comes out of this better off than they were a month ago.
I quoted the post where that was said. You responded to that post stating “I thought your post was really smart.” So both of you.
