I would have to disagree we had "loads of talent". Watching the playoffs and the NFL draft was pretty telling. Those teams were not like ours. I will agree that LSU kept getting better and better as the year progressed. We digressed after LSU and Oklahoma.
Ketch's 10 Thoughts From the Weekend (Oh, the hills I choose to die on...)
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I agree now but prior to the season we had the talent to expect to win the conference and maybe a playoff birth as well as Sam in the Heisman picture. Later on as the season progressed we showed well against LSU and we are flying high in the rankings. We fell apart soon thereafter.
Wanted to add a little more to the thought that 7 of the last 8 coaches to take a team to a natty did it by year 4.
Only 2 coaches in the last 20 years or so has inherited a losing team (using the previous 3 years) and won a natty within 2-4 years of taking over. And only 1 of those inherited a worse team than Tom Herman did.
That could be telling us one of these 2 things.
1. Tom Herman could win a natty within the next 2-4 years.
2. If he doesn't, the next coach could win a natty within the next 2-4 years after he takes over.
WTF is an inner-aggy? Is that what upperclassmen corp turds experience nightly with fish corp turds?
We want to talk about coaches who have won natties within 2-4 years of taking over at a school and use that to say that Tom won't ever win one at Texas. But we won't bother to look at the entire picture of what was there to work with when these coaches took over versus what Tom had to work with.
To me, Tom has put Texas back into the position of having something to work with going forward. Whether he's the coach or it's someone else.
Ok, but you wrote this...
"Only 2 coaches in the last 20 years or so has inherited a losing team (using the previous 3 years) and won a natty within 2-4 years of taking over. And only 1 of those inherited a worse team than Tom Herman did.
That could be telling us one of these 2 things.
1. Tom Herman could win a natty within the next 2-4 years.
2. If he doesn't, the next coach could win a natty within the next 2-4 years after he takes over."
How does your first paragraph tell us those two things?
Teams that win national championships do so AFTER multiple winning seasons in succession. Meaning that they had established a winning culture.
In the past 15 years, dating back to Texas winning the 2005 NC, 11 times the national championship team had had at least 5 winning seasons in a row prior to winning the national championship.
Here are the exceptions.
- Alabama in 2009. Was coming off 2 winning seasons in a row. Of course, Nick Saban had already won a NC.
- Auburn in 2010. Was coming off 1 winning season which had been preceded by 1 losing season. That was after 9 winning seasons in a row prior to that.
- Alabama in 2011. Was coming off 4 winning seasons in a row. One of which was the 2009 NC.
- Ohio State in 2014. Was coming off 2 winning seasons in a row. They had had 1 losing season the year before that with an interim coach which had been preceded by 20 winning seasons in the past 21.
My point is that Tom Herman has at least got Texas back into the multiple successive winning season category. Realistically that winning culture had to be established before we could even begin to think and talk about Texas being in any kind of national championship conversion.
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I have so many thoughts running through my head about a + b = c, but I'm going to let it go.
You are making it more complicated than what it really is. Teams who win national championships have established a winning culture prior to winning a national championship. Pretty much 5 years plus.
Yes, I think that's very basic. I just don't see where go from there to Herman winning a NC.
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Had UT at #3 ranking.
https://www.barkingcarnival.com/201...p-5-qbs-in-college-football-sam-ehlinger-is-4
Sam was the #4 QB pre-season 2019.
Good call on Sam. Who doesn’t love the kid...unfortunately he’s not an elite QB.
Yes we do. Even when he played in a "tailored system" at SMU, Gilbert at best was an average CFB. He wasn't very good. How this is still up for debate is beyond me.
You missed out on the other 2 hours. Quite honestly, it was far superior to The Match in '18.
I guess I don't understand the reference of Aaron Rodgers as a point of reference. I mean, if Aaron Rodgers were some sort of most awesomest QB prospect out of CFB he wouldn't have fallen to #24 in the draft. Not to mention, exactly ZERO people thought he would be drafted ahead of Alex Smith. So I"m not quite getting it.
With a fast-rising segement (over 35%) of the cases testing as asymptomatic and very few (.0037%) becoming sick enough to require hospital care, it's becoming increasingly evident that the health risk of coronavirus is far less than originally estimated. As this becomes more and more evident from the data, the basis for restricting publlic activity will become increasingly exposed as unwarranted.
And I still don't think we're seeing anything close to full houses.
I didn't explain it well enough, but Ketch got my point.
Basically in retrospect, we can all agree that in the last... 20 or so years, Aaron Rogers is the best QB drafted, that everyone is looking for the next Aaron Rogers. Andrew Luck was supposed to be the next one. He was damn good. I'm saying that I think Trevor Lawrence is probably the QB that most NFL scouts have agreed on that he will be "the next Aaron Rogers" type of player. I mean, if there any doubt, right now, who is going number 1 overall in the 2021 draft? I don't think there has been a doubt for the last year.
Well, technically if we are talking last "20 or so years" Tom Brady is the best QB drafted, and quite frankly, it's not even close given Brady is considered the GOAT.
Tiger was Tiger in that a) he doesn't have to do a ton of trash-talking for obvious reasons and b) when he does you better watch out.
I was trying to keep out Brady and Peyton. But yeah, if you want to replace it with Brady, you can do that. The main point was that since Trevor Lawrence seems to many like the best QB prospect to come out, and be the next Aaron Rogers in a long long time... I feel like there's going to be a tank session this year in the NFL.
It's smart if you can be the king of suck and not have a coach that win 4 games through smarts, planning and motivating.
Even if you don't need a QB... imagine what getting the #1 pick, and making teams trade their futures away to you, for it, would be worth.
Loved his quip about Tom's drive on one of the first few holes... Brady sliced the shit out of it and Tiger's comment "That should be in the fairway... on 7"... hahaha... I know he did some stupid shit, but I'm still a Tiger fan. He's a BAMF.
It'll take time for the most fearful to come around, and older Horn fans will be more cautious. However, it's still over 12 weeks til the season starts and data on the coronavirus grows more favorable by the day.
