Ketch's 10 Thoughts From the Weekend (Shaka is a damn good coach)
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Do you believe that USA basketball believes he is a good coach?
You can't really complain about not having your questions answered when you don't so much as give a yes, no or maybe to mine.
Define the metrics of a good coach. This is what needs to be discussed before we can have a serious discussion.
Well, there are thousands of college and high school basketball coaches out there. He's one of about 50 that have power five jobs. Oh, his resume speaks to that of a good coach, even if he's struggled at Texas.
I think he is worth more than that. Matter of fact I put my money where my mouth is in Vegas, because this looked like a team that could make that run in March. Then conference started and the exposure of being unprepared and not coached up showed itself. Look, I wanted Shaka to be successful here. He is a flawed coach in the B12. I have said this in previous posts. These coaches have so much available to them- hence why Beard is having success- he has been in the B12, he knows what you have to do to be successful.
So if a CEO runs a company into the ground at a Fortune 500 company, he has to be considered good due to his position? You don't think sometimes people are given jobs they aren't qualified for? And then instead of getting rid of the problem, they let it fester and run it into the ground. Kinda of like Charlie...
I cant answer that. I can say that he is easy to like. Do you believe that USA basketball thinks I am a good coach? Is that a credential you really want to hang your hat on?
If he's even worth two games, we'd be talking about a very young team being a 20+ win type of team with decent seeding. A spring-board season of sorts.
Why is that? They hire the talent.. that produces results. Shaka has gotten more talented players than most coaches in the conference and is sitting at 8th.
I just feel like coach’s should be measured by wins and losses on the biggest of stages... Big 12 conference is a big stage and has failed... VCU, not so big... I’m not saying he’s a bad coach but the big12 may be to tough for him to handle..
I believe USA Basketball has a very high amount of respect for Shaka.
Clearly, they chose him to replace Billy Donovan.
Sure there is. This roster has pieces that will continue to develop and emerge. Sims will take on a larger role next year. Guard play has a chance to be really good.
Yes. I also think USA Skiing thinks Mike Day is a good ski coach.
Coaching for short term tournaments is not the same as coaching a college basketball season.
It's a lousy argument.
I do agree with you that Shaka has the potential to be a good (maybee great coach at UT). However as DKR told Augie, It's that "potential" thing that gets you fired at the University of Texas.
Careful. You're about to be excused of having Kentucky level expectations.
I remarked earlier in the thread that Texas can do better than Shaka's performance as Penders and Barnes had winning %'s of at least 65%. Somehow, Ketch twisted that into "some you guys think we should be Kentucky"
A pure hypothetical question to serve your own purpose? The impact was not great last year as we won 11 games. Teams have players get hurt and miss every year, so your argument is we would view things differently at 2 more wins, not really. You left the reservation with a “damn good coach”...
We all hate what’s happening to AJ and prefer to leave him out of the discussion due to respect and not saying anything which can be misconstrued as negative. Hope the young man gets well soon!
i would rather have scott drew's respect as a Longhorn. what Shaka can do with an all-star team that is greatly head and shoulders above anyone in the world doesnt really make me warm and fuzzy. you and your lack of basketball knowledge could win gold with those guys. So here we are...a message board owner is a s good as our current head coach.
The barometer for success/“good” is a bit different in the best basketball conference vs the Atlantic 10. Three seasons before Shaka: conference championship. The season after Shaka: conference championship. He may have had tremendous seasons but outside of the final 4 run he underperformed by VCU standards just based off his predecessor and successor. From 2006 to 2016 VCU won a conference title every year Shaka wasn’t the coach.
Got to hand it to you, you really are careful with your words. In that context then yes he is a good coach. Just like every kid in HS who receives a power five basketball scholarship is a good basketball player. You were smart in not quantifying that he is a damn good COLLEGE basketball coach. By making that distinction you would have to compare him side by side to the other damn good college coaches. At least this way you can claim he is in the top 1% of all amateur coaches, as opposed to not being remotely close to a top 20 college basketball coach.
Incase you missed this...
I will try again in more specific question form...
@Ketchum Can you draw up our fast break completion. What is our early offense? How many different sets do we run with 15 on the shot clock and 10 second sets. Draw up 5 inbounds plays we run. Can you draw up how many sets we run against a zone.
Take whatever sets you can find and compare what’s been added in conference play.
You may not like your answers but from a basketball pie chart the coaching x’s and o’s is missing. He may be a damn fine human and a motivator of men, but he is not well prepared and his teams show it night in and night out in conference play.
Is it?
They could have picked anyone. You think they chose a bad one on purpose?
No me thinks that the people that know a lot about basketball and view him very highly is a decent argument.
To be honest, you called him a “damn good coach”. If you are saying he is a good coach based on 20+ wins at VCU, associated with USA basketball, and kept UT tournament hopes alive without AJ, then I don’t know if the 14 pages of reaction would be as hostile. Saying he is a damn good coach goes too far IMO.
You reference in follow up that he must be top 50 since he is in P5. To me, damn good coach would put him in top 10-15, and I don’t see that with my eyes watching him coach at UT for three years.
