If true that’s messed up. Ketch is being paid to offer quality opinions and info. Although I kind of agree with your point. It’s hard to see that article and corresponding to discussion to be anything but a troll job.
Ketch's 10 Thoughts From the Weekend (Shaka is a damn good coach)
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If true that’s messed up. Ketch is being paid to offer quality opinions and info. Although I kind of agree with your point. It’s hard to see that article and corresponding to discussion to be anything but a troll job.
I think some perceived it that way.
It was a fair and balanced view of Smart as a coach.
Much of the detail has been ignored along the way.
Must’ve missed your response to this one. A lot of pages to go through. Anyway, everyone else is wrong but you are right. That’s definitely the right way to go about this. SMH
@Dog from Duck Hunt
I missed this one, so please allow me to address it fully in the name of fairness.
I missed this one, so please allow me to address it fully in the name of fairness.
You didn't list a single example. A few people have said this, but none listed examples. Can you give me one.
That is true. That's generally how point/counterpoint in a debate work. I also did not ignore his negative moments.
I can be condescending at times. I need to be better. Some reveal things about themselves and I could choose to ignore it, but I often don't. Some on this site have a belief that $9.95 per month gives them all kinds of room to be incredibly mean and miserable people.
IMO.... Andrew Jones would have at least given us 2 more conference wins.
Tech and Okie State . Both on the road and both would have made a big difference in this years perception. Or at least we would not have had to endure a 22 page thread on who has the biggest manhood . Geez
Tech and Okie State . Both on the road and both would have made a big difference in this years perception. Or at least we would not have had to endure a 22 page thread on who has the biggest manhood . Geez
68 teams get in the NCAA field each year, 34 win at least one game. If we end year three with one trip to the Tourney and zero wins, Shaka gets one more year to fix it ... period. And by the way, the only reason he gets year 4 is because of all the things Ketch said ... otherwise, he would be out the door at the end of this season.
Questions: Who had more to work with: Barnes when he arrived at Tennessee or Shaka when he arrived at Texas? Now who has the better team?
BTW, SOS gets figured in when it comes tourney time, so if you can't get in and/or you can't win a game once in that is on you, so SOS should be a relative non factor in a tourney specific analysis.
Questions: Who had more to work with: Barnes when he arrived at Tennessee or Shaka when he arrived at Texas? Now who has the better team?
BTW, SOS gets figured in when it comes tourney time, so if you can't get in and/or you can't win a game once in that is on you, so SOS should be a relative non factor in a tourney specific analysis.
well, he's created enough success at this point that he's paid in the top 1% if 1% (I made that number up) in his field.
I can't believe that I feel the need to say this for a sizable portion of Orangebloods, but ...
Fellas ...
Shaka Smart is one hell of a basketball coach.
The focus of the lead-off hitter portion of this weekend's column will discuss a number of layers to the Texas basketball program, some that paint some of Smart's work at Texas as a success and some that will point out large failures, but make no mistake about the popular misnomer of Smart not being a good coach that has been making the rounds ... it's dumb.
Shaka Smart is one hell of a coach.
But ...but ... I don't think he can coach?
You don't think a guy that took a team slotted into the play-in game as a No. 11 seed in the NCAA Tournament to the Final Four can coach? A guy who coached a team to consecutive wins over an 11-seed, a 10-seed, a 6-seed, a 3-seed and a 1-seed can coach?
But ...but ... he's a one-hit wonder!
You think a guy that won 27, 28, 29, 27, 26 and 26 games in his first six seasons as a head coach is a one-hit wonder?
But ...but ... he's done a terrible job this year!
No, he's actually done a very good job this year, so much so that he deserves to be a candidate for Big 12 coach of the year. I wouldn't say he deserves to win the award, but he's a worthy candidate.
That's crazy talk. 85-percent! SJW! You're a clown!
Instead of focusing on what he hasn't done with this team, let's focus on what he has done, which is take one of youngest teams in the country (four in the top seven of the current rotation are freshmen) and put it on the door-step of the NCAA Tournament, despite playing in the toughest conference in the country.
A conference so tough that if the team shows up on any given night and plays like a team full of wide-eyed freshmen, an ass-kicking will commence, no matter the opponent.
Oh, and did I mention that along the way he'd lost his best scorer for the rest of the season because of a battle with cancer?
Texas now has six wins against RPI Group 1 teams, which is among the highest marks in the entire country.
Of its 11 losses this season, seven were to teams that went into this week ranked inside the AP Top 25 - No. 7 Texas Tech, No. 9 Gonzaga, No. 12 Duke, No. 13 Kansas, No. 20 West Virginia and No. 22 Michigan.
Three of those loses went into overtime. Two of the three that finished in regulation were lost by six and two points, respectively.
Do you think Mike Krzyzewski walked off the floor in November and thought, "If only that really young team that dominated my team for much of the game had a good coach?"
Do you think that likely Big 12 Coach of the Year Mike Beard thought to himself, "Yeah, that team was down Andrew Jones and pushed us on our home floor as much as anyone has all year ... if they only had a good coach."
Do you think Lon Krugar is thinking to himself this weekend, "How did we lose twice to a team with shitty coaching?"
Yeah, but last year was the worst year in school history.
It was a disaster and it is the scarlet letter that Smart has to wear right now as the Texas coach. No excuses. His failure to boost the roster in a way that would build off of his first year at Texas is his greatest failure as a head basketball coach.
As it stands, he simply hasn't been a success at Texas. That is a truth at the two-season, 27-game mark of his tenure in Austin.
Inside of the belly of a Texas fan base that is living through a near decade-long stretch of historically poor performance and doesn't have an ounce of patience left for disgusting failure, last season arrived at the exact wrong time and place.
A fair assessment of his first three seasons in Austin: decent, disaster and damn good. I'll defend Smart in a lot of areas, but I can't argue that the totality of his three seasons have equated to definitive, tangible success.
We're Texas. We can do better.
Can you?
In terms of recruiting, Smart has proven that he can go toe-to-toe with the giants in the sport and win? Let's keep it real, it almost doesn't make sense that a kid from another time zone picked Texas the way that Mo Bamba did. Smart made that happen. Same with Matt Coleman. Smart made that happen. Jarrett Allen could have gone anywhere, but he picked a team that hadn't been to the Sweet 16 since he was in middle school because of Smart.
In terms of being an important leader of men and the kind of representative a school like Texas desires from its high-profile coaches, you simply can't do better than Smart. Hell, I think the reason I personally like Smart so much is because he's nails in this exact area.
College basketball is about to be brought down to its knees in the near future with a scandal that could engulf as many as 50 programs, and yet, there hasn't been so much as a whisper that Smart is involved in any of it.
Where are you going to find a coach with a Final Four and 6 26+ win seasons on his resume, to go along with a profile that includes great recruiting, honorable representation and integrity inside the program?
Yeah, but I still don't think he can coach.
Back to this again?
Look, I'll end the argument with this ... USA Basketball doesn't put a guy in charge of its Under-18 National Team if he can't coach. The coach before him for the 2014 and 2016 Under-18 National Team?
Billy Donovan. You might have heard of him.
So, you're saying he's going to be a success at Texas?
No, I'm not saying that. I think with more time he's going to take the foundation of players that he has and they'll grow into a very good team, but I don't know that.
While Smart had tremendous success with VCU, circumstances sometimes get the best of great coaches. Vince Lombardi didn't have success after he left Green Bay and coached Washington. Jimmy Johnson never returned to the mountaintop with the Dolphins. Joe Gibbs couldn't make it go right in his second-time around. Larry Brown had ups and downs. Bobby Knight's second act was never close to the success of the first one.
Smart has made poor decisions at times in team building, had some bad luck along the way (losing Allen a year earlier than first believed and now Jones) and plays in one hell of a basketball league.
It's possible that next season will feel empty as well. Maybe it won't work out for Smart in Austin. Maybe it never gets off the ground like everyone thought it would when he was hired. So many of you want absolutes in this discussion and struggle with the layers that reside in-between the black and the white.
The one absolute that I am comfortable with?
Shaka Smart is a hell of a coach and his job performance THIS season has been well above average.
Now, I'll shut up.
No. 2 – The elephant in the room ...
Junior Days are mostly boring these days. Just a brick in a bigger picture wall.
For all of the excitement of it all and the importance of getting prospects on campus, the feeling going into the event was that Texas would likely have a very quiet day on the commitment front. That just wasn't what the Texas coaching staff was trying to accomplish with this particular day.
Same as a year ago. A No. 3 overall class in 2018 had a less than sexy Junior Day opening, but the work from those opening Junior Days produced cash money later in the year.
Among those on hand last year?
Anthony Cook, BJ Foster, DeMarvion Overshown, Casey Thompson, Keontay Ingram, Brennan Eagles and Keondre Coburn. Oh, and Roschon Johnson.
Yeah, the bricks that day helped make a hell of a wall.
No. 3 – The scorecard you need to be keeping in recruiting...
From a year ago in this column:
"It might sound simple, but if you’re Herman and his assistants, the number one thing you want with each kid is the desire from each of them to come back because getting these kids to show up once is the easy part. It’s getting them to show up six times between now and next February that is the trickier part.
SIX TIMES!?!
Yup, six times.
Let’s take the roll call. There’s the Junior Day. Then a spring practice and/or the Spring Game. Eventually, the summer will roll around and Herman and his staff will put together camps and a big recruiting-themed event similar to the Under The Lights deal that Charlie Strong created. Of course, you have to get them on campus for at least one game, right? Finally, comes the official visit in December or January. Oh, if anyone wants to stop by the Texas Relays or the state track meet … well … yeah … that counts, too."
Fast-forward 12 months later and you'll see that the staff absolutely accomplished the mission of getting its top targets on campus at least six times on unofficial visits and they lost very few prospects that turned up that many times in Austin.
One thing that stood out to me from the comments of the top prospects that attended this weekend’s double-dose of Junior Days was the fact that this was not the first rodeo for them with the Texas coaches in Austin. Not hardly.
“Of course. Every time I come visit, it becomes better and better,” said Houston Mayde Creek 2019 DE Marcus Stripling, a four-star defensive end who ranks No. 12 on the current LSR Top 100 list.
If you're Tom Herman and members of the staff, this is what you're thinking...
It wasn't just Stripling. It was a theme with 2019 Converse Judson defensive end DeMarvin Leal, who showed up feeling comfortable enough to sport a burnt orange Texas t-shirt.It was Marcus Banks' fourth visit. Jamal Morris' third. Elijah Higgins' 20th or so.
Get the picture?
You don't often overwhelm kids these days at the highest level of college football recruiting with a single visit. It's a multi-step ladder, one that the staff has proven it will win consistently with if it keeps getting personal time on campus enough times.
Just keep chipping away and the results will come.
No. 4 – The Texas Junior Day visitors by LSR Top 100 ranking ...
Here are the guys in my current top 40 that visited over the weekend.
No. 2 Garrett Wilson - WR - Lake Travis
No. 6 Roschon Johnson - OB - Port Neches-Groves
No. 12 Marcus Stripling - DE - Mayde Creek
No. 13 DeMarvin Leal - DE - Converse Judson
No. 17 Marcel Brooks - LB - Flower Mound Marcus
No. 20 Erick Young - CB - Richmond Bush
No. 24 Elijah Higgins - WR - Austin Bowie
No. 30 Dylan Wright - WR - West Mesquite
No. 31 Jamal Morris - S - Richmond Bush
No. 33 Deondrick Glass - RB - Katy
No. 35 Marcus Banks - CB - Spring Dekaney
No. 40 Gilbert Ibeneme - Pearland
This doesn't include 2019 Westlake Village, California linebacker De'Gabriel Floyd, who ranks No. 95 nationally on the current Rivals100 rankings.
No. 5 – Some things simply deserve their own section ...
This one kind of caught me off-guard.
It isn't something that comes out of the "Great Coaching Ideas Playbook," but I really dig what the coaches did in putting players who probably don't appreciate everything they have (because what 18-22 year old does?) and forcing them to see first-hand what can happen to a life when a few breaks go decisions the wrong way.
I commend the Texas coaches for sending a message of compassion and helping those who could use a helping hand, while providing a healthy perspective along the way.
No. 6 - Story time with Uncle Ketch ...
Speaking of some healthy perspective, here's something about me that most of you almost certainly didn't know ...
I have been the cover-boy of exactly one magazine cover - the February of 2008 edition of Capital Sports Magazine.
Before the interview/photography session, it was proposed to me that the cover photo be of me presented as a "swami" and sitting in some sort of meditation post.
"Don't even worry about your clothes. We're going to photoshop you into a "swami" outfit," I was told.
So, they came over to my house and took photos of me sitting on the floor doing my impersonation of a "swami pose." After about 30 minutes, they left and that was that until shortly before the magazine came out.
That's when I saw the cover photo for the first time.
It was just my face superimposed on the body of what appeared to be a Middle-Eastern man. Just my face. The guy's naked, horrible feet? Not mine. The hairy hands? Not mine.
Just my face. Forever immortalized on the cover of Capital City Sports in the weirdest, most unexpected way one could ever imagine.
No. 7 – Buy or Sell …
BUY or SELL: It’s Signing Day February 2019 & Tom Herman and staff have once again signed a top-5 recruiting class?
(Sell) I'm going to say that Texas finishes with a class in the 6-10 range this year. I don't think you'll see a repeat of the overwhelming dominance of top-10 players in-state that we all witnessed in the last cycle.
BUY or SELL: We have an offensive player who makes first-team all-Big 12 this season?
(Sell) Maybe Collin Johnson?
BUY or SELL: Coaching staff reads the excellent analysis provided by OB on ways to improve our product on the field? Or at least has someone paying attention to what is going on around this crazy place?
(Buy) Everything is read and monitored by someone.
BUY or SELL: The Horns will not have a true freshman in the two-deep on offense and defense, excluding kickers?
(Sell) I think you could easily see players at quarterback, running back, wide receiver, offensive line, defensive line and defensive back challenge for playing time on the two-deep. These are Tom Herman's guys, his first set of guys. They're going to play.
BUY or SELL: Tim Brewster wishes he was in Austin instead of aggy?
(Buy) All of that uproar a year ago when Herman was building his staff was created by one of the best in the business at back-channel marketing. Believe me, I have stories.
BUY or SELL: Although the sample size is small, you have a good feeling that Texas hired the right baseball coach?
(Sell) I have no idea how to read where the baseball program is headed, as it relates to belonging in the elite of the elite.
BUY or SELL: Texas’ next final four is in baseball and it’s sooner than anyone suspects?
(Sell) Nothing has happened to definitively say this about any major men's sports in Austin when comparing them to the others.
BUY or SELL: The FBI basketball investigation will include at least one team/coach from the state of Texas.
(Buy) One? It'll likely closer to five than one. We're talking as many as 50-60 programs.
BUY or SELL: Herb Hand will be directly responsible for improved OL recruiting.
(Sell) I think he'll do a good job, but let's not get carried away.
No. 8 – Eternal Randomness of the Spotty Sports Mind …
... Did Fergie make try to Marilyn Monroe up the national anthem at the NBA all-star game.
... Russell Westbrook is making a habit of getting Processed.
... Twerk Lady stole the Halftime Show.
... As far as I'm concerned, Dennis Smith Jr. won the Slam Dunk context. WHAT IS THIS?!?
... Either get out of Austin Dillon's way or get run out of the way. You choose, I guess. Those final two laps were fun. I like Daytona Overtime.
... Danica Patrick's NASCAR career ended on in a wreck at Daytona. I don't think she did a Discount Double-Check afterwards in pit row.
... Barcelona manager Ernesto Valverde to the media when asked why he dropped Phillppe Coutinho on Saturday: "I think it was best for my team to try to win."
Ouch.
No. 9 – 2 weeks until the big night …
I loved Phantom Tread. Loved it.
I don't know what I was expecting coming in, but this movie totally caught me off-guard in all the right ways. Frankly,I didn't want it to end.
Daniel Day-Lewis is still the GOAT.
My updated Oscars rankings (my picks, not my picks of the actual nominations)
(Still need to see: All the Money in the World, Call Me By Your Name, Phantom Thread, and Roman J. Israel, Esq)
Best Picture
1.Phantom Thread
2. Lady Bird
3. The Shape of Water
4. Darkest Hour
5. Get Out
6. I, Tonya
7. The Post
8. The Disaster Artist
9. Three Billboards outside Ebbing, Missouri
10. The Big Sick
Best Actor
1. Gary Oldman (Darkest Hour)
2. Daniel Day-Lewis (Phantom Thread)
3. James Franco (The Disaster Artist)
4. Daniel Kaluuya (Get Out)
5. William DaFoe (The Florida Project)
Best Actress
1. Sally Hawkins (The Shape of Water)
2. Vicky Krieps (Phantom Thread)
3. Meryl Streep (The Post)
4. Saoirse Ronan (Lady Bird)
5. Frances McDormand (Three Billboards outside Ebbing, Missouri)
Best Supporting Actor
1. Michael Shannon (The Shape of Water)
2. Sam Rockwell (Three Billboards outside Ebbing, Missouri)
3. Richard Jenkins (The Shape of Water)
4. Jason Mitchell (Mudbound)
5. Rob Morgan (Mudbound)
Best Supporting Actress
1. Laurie Metcalf (Lady Bird)
2. Allison Janney (I,Tonya)
3. Holly Hunter (The Big Sick)
4. Carey Mulligan (Mudbound)
5. Leslie Manville (Phantom Thread)
Best Director
1. Paul Thomas Anderson (Phantom Thread)
2. The Shape of Water (Guillermo del Toro)
3. Greta Gerwig (Lady Bird)
4. Jordan Peele (Get Out)
5. Denis Villeneuve (Blade Runner 2049)
No. 10 – And Finally …
No Tweet made me click on its link this weekend faster than this one.
I agree completely re: Shaka. This year’s freshmen are a great foundation class to build upon. I know Mo will be gone....
Agreed. Getting the job at Texas is a level of success most will not achieve in their field of work. It is an accomplishment that strong achieved as well though and we know how that played out. I'm not sure what you mean by "given the hand he has been dealt". Was there something that made it more challenging for him to get the job at Texas versus other coaches?
It was a comment aimed at this year, which has been impacted by youth and a key player being out due to cancer.
@riloh05
And Shaka does not have the #5 rated player in the country per Kenpom, but I guess you knew that also.
Ok then, agree to disagree. I don't think his coaching has been anything special this year.
Special? No. Damned good, given the circumstances? Yeah, I'd say so.Team has to make the Tournament, though.
He does have Matt Coleman, Mo Bamba, all rated higher than the tech starting 5 combined, but that also doesn’t fit your narrative. You also can’t dispute the putrid x’s and o’s that we display. Lastly, one guy is competing for the conference title in the toughest league in the country.
And that's fair...
Make the tourney and all is well. Miss though and he deserves some criticism for this year.
Cmon man, stop it. Beard has done an amazing job this year. He is COY in the Big 12. His lineup is very inferior to Texas... and Kansas as well if that helps you sleep at night.
My favorite part is that @Ketchum didn't know anything about Shaka's tournament results outside of the Final Four run
If this was our football coach he was writing about that would never be the case
If this was our football coach he was writing about that would never be the case
You are too smart for this type of argument, or at least I think you are. Because team A beats team B that means team A, or coach A, is better than B? Are we supposed to ignore the season, entire body of work?
@gamer_989
I did not say that Beard has not done a great job, he has. But his lineup on the offensive side of the ball is not inferior to Texas.
Texas has one player ranked in the Kenpom's too 500 Offensive Efficiency ratings, which is DO at #437.
Tech has three players rated in Kenpom's top 500 Offensive Efficiency ratings. The #5 ranked player in the country at #139, the #66 ranked player, and the #453 ranked player.
Are you saying he's done a damn good job? or he's done a damn good job IF we make the tournament?
I agree with the ladder, which is why I think your opinion is about 3 weeks premature. there's a huge difference in the narrative of this season between making the tournament and not making the tournament, and/or sneaking out a win or two in the tournament.
DO will not play in the NBA. Neither will anyone on Techs roster. Bamba definitely will. Coleman likely will. Stats are meaningless in a vacuum.
What do I mean by that? Stats can be the product of getting your players in the right spot at the right time to maximize their talent. NBA GM's (the experts) will weigh in and deem the Texas roster more talented than techs. Perhaps techs scheme is doing a better job of maximizing their players while Texas lack of scheme is doing the opposite?
@gamer_989
Tech likely has two NBA players - Evans and Smith. But great college players don't necessarily play in the NBA, and great NBA players don't necessarily have great college stats.
Tech is an older team than Texas: 1.83 years, ranked 134 vs Texas 0.98 years, ranked 336. In college that means a lot. College players develop. Next year Texas will have an older team and it will be better.
1) as far as cancer afflicting a player goes, it's no difference to a team's strength than a broken ankle; and good teams work through injuries (some of you will grossly misinterpret this)
2) playing close games versus ranked teams but losing to weak teams shortly before/after doesn't give a coach the benefit of the doubt because they played ranked teams closely
3) Shaka doesn't even understand out-of-bounds plays
4) Shaka sends subliminal messages to his team that it's OK to shoot ridiculous shots that cost you points at both ends of the court
2) playing close games versus ranked teams but losing to weak teams shortly before/after doesn't give a coach the benefit of the doubt because they played ranked teams closely
3) Shaka doesn't even understand out-of-bounds plays
4) Shaka sends subliminal messages to his team that it's OK to shoot ridiculous shots that cost you points at both ends of the court
