Yeah, well,for those guys to admit the truth is ti admit that their generation couldn't hang with the modern player.I never said he was the best of all time. I said he was a terrific team player and big man passer and deserves being mentioned in the top group of players due to that all around game. he wasnt in the Hakeem, wilt, jabbar, Shaq etc category but theres no doubt about his contribution within the realm of a great team. I think Sam and KC Jones, Havlicek, Heinsohn and others on that team would not agree with your characterization of Russell.