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Ketch's 10 Thoughts From the Weekend (Texas needs more Tom Herman...)

Herman after 4 games has a team that is excelling on the defensive side of the ball and playing plus on special teams.

If he is the offensive genius everyone makes him out to be and ends up not taking more control of the offense, that would be a damn shame.
 
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can you clarify something? you state that tom is needed to save the season but you answered a buy or sell that tom will not replace beck as play caller and ride with his boy?

how can texas do both and find some form of success?
What I think needs to happen vs. what I think will probably happen are independent from each other.
 
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Herman and Warehime made it work at UH with just as many issues.
This is on Beck. There have repeatedly been things to capitalize on in every game and he inexplicably moves away from them. We have the talent at every position to be much better. Even on an injury depleted O line and at QB.
 
Perhaps the best thing to do is simply to stay the course. Is Texas going to make it 8 coordinators in 7 years? When does it stop and become apparent... There’s no magic coordinator out there that can come in and get this exact same group to average 40 ppg.

Greg Davis. He’s the problem!

Bryan Harsin will save us!

Major will he better than Harsin!

Shawn Watson, Jay Norvell and even Sterlin Gilbert also inherited the same problem and not coincidentally the same results kept/keep happening; having to start a true freshman and inexperienced (raw) quarterback with a subpar OL, decent WR’s, average to good running backs (only good because of DF) and absolutely, positively zero worthwhile tight ends to speak off.

Other than Forman who clearly demonstrated that he was special, who else has distinguished himself as such in the last 5 Years? Shipley, Davis, Harris were solid players, but not Roy Williams or Jordan Shipley, Sweed or Cosby.

They have good young players who can be that. Collin Johnson, Hemphill and Humphrey have potential. CJ can be a star. Carter and Young have speed and talent. The quarterbacks are not lost causes.

However, unlike the defense, this a pretty young offense with talent gaps at OL, TE and maybe even Running Back. They’re not experienced enough.

I disagree slightly @Ketchum. They definitely need to figure out how to get Johnson the ball more, but the real issue Thursday night was not being able to punish Iowa State for playing a 3 man line and dropping 8. Texas should’ve been able to pick up 6-7 yards running the ball on almost every down and did so on their first touchdown drive but then the blocking just broke down after that and the third quarter monsoon of penalties and errors just made it worse.

What Texas did on that final clock eating drive that took up almost 7 minutes was what they should’ve been able to do all night.

It looks bad right now. I’m not disagreeing, but yet another change at coordinator is not salvation in my eyes. Tom’s not stupid. If he feels he cant coexist with Beck at the end of the season (philosophically) then he’ll make a change.

Let’s see how this plays out.
 
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Then change your quarterback.
I'm of the opinion they should. Not because of anything Buechelle has or has not done, just because it is clear his ceiling is much higher, and it is only a matter of time anyway.
 
I hope next year we are done hearing about Texas QB’s not being experienced enough. Either they have it or they don’t for college ball. Good thing Herman keeps going after QB’s in the next two classes.
 
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- Great points about why Herman was hired. +1

- The bold prediction when it comes to the QB competition is very intriguing.

- With you on the need to get Collin Johnson the ball more. My boy @echeese may feel like you can't do anything when a team tries to take away your offense, but I'm with you.

- DeShaun Watson looks like that guy. Houston may finally have a franchise QB.

- LSU hired Ed Oregron because it couldn't compete against Texas for Herman. Oregron is a good coordinator, but not a good coach.
 
I hear where you are coming from when citing prior longhorn QBs and when they found their groove, but VY in 03 and Colt in 06 and 07 were far from debacles. They weren't perfect but they won some games. Those were in their very early years.

Major was an impact player his redshirt freshman season.

We aren't looking for 04 or 05 VY. We are just looking for serviceable QB play.
 
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So right about Herman's offensive reputation as the reason he and all the other coaches are here. Now would be a good time to do something to justify the rep and the pay.

Definitely get the ball to Collin. But Lil Jordan made a great play with great effort early in the game. Why not give him other chances to make great plays and great efforts ? Two guys, not one.

I hope you are right that Orlando stays past this year. Several years might get us somewhere.

Ed Orgeron ? Same question now as when they hired him.
 
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I don't think Colin Johnson is quite ready for "elite receiver" status. He's a mismatch, for sure, in most 1-on-1 situations. But he's not exactly what I would call strong-willed or relentless at this point in his career.
 
Perhaps the best thing to do is simply to stay the course. Is Texas going to make it 8 coordinators in 7 years? When does it stop and become apparent... There’s no magic coordinator out there that can come in and get this exact same group to average 40 ppg.

Greg Davis. He’s the problem!

Bryan Harsin will save us!

Major will he better than Harsin!

Shawn Watson, Jay Norvell and even Sterlin Gilbert also inherited the same problem and not coincidentally the same results kept/keep happening; having to start a true freshman and inexperienced (raw) quarterback with a subpar OL, decent WR’s, average to good running backs (only good because of DF) and absolutely, positively zero worthwhile tight ends to speak off.

Other than Forman who clearly demonstrated that he was special, who else has distinguished himself as such in the last 5 Years. Shipley, Davis, Harris were solid players, but not Roy Williams or Jordan Shipley, Sweed or Cosby.

They have good young players who can be that. Collin Johnson, Hemphill and Humphrey have potential. CJ can be a star. Carter and Young have speed and talent. The quarterbacks are not lost causes.

However, unlike the defense, this a pretty young offense with talent gaps at OL, TE and maybe even Running Back. They’re not experienced enough.

I disagree slightly @Ketchum. They definitely need to figure out how to get Johnson the ball more, but the real issue Thursday night was not being able to punish Iowa State for playing a 3 man line and dropping 8. Texas should’ve been able to pick up 6-7 yards running the ball on almost every down and did so on their first touchdown drive but then the blocking just broke down after that and the third quarter monsoon of penalties and errors just made it worse.

What Texas did on that final clock eating drive that took up almost 7 minutes was what they should’ve been able to do all night.

It looks bad right now. I’m not disagreeing, but yet another change at coordinator is not salvation in my eyes. Tom’s not stupid. If he feels he cant coexist with Beck at the end of the season (philosophically) then he’ll make a change.

Let’s see how this plays out.
I hear you, but here's the thing: The play calling took us away from what was working, caused blocking to break down, and was responsible for some of the second half holding penalties. Beck really does seem to just call plays at random and ignore game context. I think the answer has to be more TH for now.
 
I don't think Colin Johnson is quite ready for "elite receiver" status. He's a mismatch, for sure, in most 1-on-1 situations. But he's not exactly what I would call strong-willed or relentless at this point in his career.
He’s very good, but not elite yet.
 
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Great always, Ketch - thanx. My wife always asks why I am on the computer on Sunday night...

TH may live and die with Beck as the play caller this year, but if he somehow fails to get to a bowl game, he'll understand what pressure REALLY is, and it involves selecting assistants. Just a thought.

Collin Johnson's sole comeback grab at a critical time was what great receivers and QBs do. But that it happened only once is was what great receivers and QBs don't do. Just another thought.

Something tells me that Shane is so afraid of turning it over that he refuses to throw the ball and trust his receivers to make the catch. Frankly, with this D, I'm not so sure that I disagree with that. Perhaps the best option with this O-line is to take no chances and rely on your D to give great field position and/or win the game. Then again, I may be wrong.

The best thing for an NFL anemic offense is to go against the Pats' defense (hello, Watson and Newton). As a Pats fan, it's tough to watch now, but I suspect that things will change as the season progresses - but then again (again), I may be wrong.

Not mentioned, but congrats to the USA for the Presidents Cup win. Man, there is a lot of young talent on the USA side -- Ryder Cup should be fun. And thanks, Jordan, for doing us proud. To be honest, I had to turn it off when I heard that Trump was there, so I apologize to my many Republican friends for not seeing the ending.

Texas against KSU -- last week I thought the ISU game was the most important game of the season. Now I'm thinking that EVERY game is the most important game of the season.

Hook 'em!!!
 
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CS started a thread related to this earlier this week. It's possible he's not the QB and OC whisperer we all that he is. Maybe he was just a product of Urban Meyer's genius

I think Herman has what is takes to be a good head coach but do think the QB and OC whisperer was a little overblown. Ohio State was just loaded with talent all across the board including all three QBs.
 
Neither quarterback that Texas currently has at its disposal is ready to quarterback a program like Texas to the type of season it strongly covets.
Herman should have known that in April. So why didn't he bring in a senior transfer into the mix? Cause if 8-4 is the ceiling with what you've got.....
 
Herman needs to be more involved with the offense.

All hands are needed on deck. Why would he sit back when everything begins and ends with him?

Herman knows he'll get the lion share of blame if the team doesn't perform especially on O. With that said, I can't see him not being very active on the offensive side going forward.
 
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Does Herman feel like he's rised above calling plays like other HCs? Or does he have that much confidence in Beck?
 
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Does Herman feel like he's rised above calling plays like other HCs? Or does he have that much confidence in Beck?
He stated why in February. He felt he needs to be able to tend to everything on game day, not just offensively, and he felt he couldn’t be at his best as a head coach if he was focused solely on play-calling and vice versa.

Perhaps he’ll feel differently in the future.
 
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As the calendar turns the page to October and the Texas football team walks into the teeth of the 2017 schedule, one theme stood out in my mind over the course of the last few days.

I need more Tom Herman.

Bitch all you want about the slow development of the offense on offensive coordinator Tim Beck, but Tom Herman largely landed the Texas gig because he's supposed to be the elite-level offensive guru/quarterback developer.

Not Beck.

When everyone was aiming high with nine- or 10-win season predictions just a month ago, it was because the perception was that the players on offense would thrive under the guidance of the man who helped lead Ohio State to a national title and Houston to a national resurgence.

Not Beck.

Tim Beck was hired to recruit his rear end off and (in theory) execute the Tom Herman vision. While Todd Orlando does his thing on the defensive side of the ball with full control, the anticipation was that Herman is fully involved with the offense.

So, save me the Tim Beck grief.

With the offensive personnel in a state of crisis in certain areas, it's tough to say that talent alone can save the Longhorns on the offensive side of the ball. They need the help of an offensive creator that is regarded as one of the best in the business. With all the respect in the world for any desire to protect and provide a boost to all of his assistants, the buck stops at the feet of the head coach.

This team needs more Tom Herman and it needs it right now. I don't believe it's hyperbole to say that the balance of the season rests on it.

No. 2 – The elephant in the room going into this week ...
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Neither quarterback that Texas currently has at its disposal is ready to quarterback a program like Texas to the type of season it strongly covets.

James Brown was a third-year player when the light switch came on in 1995. Vince Young was a third-year player when the light switch came on in 2004. Colt McCoy was a fourth-year player when the light switch came on in 2008.

Shane Buechele is 17 games deep into his second season. Sam Ehlinger is five games into his first season.

When I screamed caution to the masses with regards to the quarterback position all off-season, it had nothing to do with being a hater or having a favorite, it had everything to do with establishing realistic expectations at a position that has only seen Major Applewhite in 1998 and Colt McCoy's Cinderella season in 2006 achieve what is being demanded out of necessity from both players this season.

And this has nothing to do with having a poor offensive line, a lackluster running game with very little explosiveness, tight end play that is such that it's hard to warrant having any on the field and a first-year coaching staff that is still trying to learn the strengths of its team.

It's possible that what we're watching right now from Buechele is the best that Texas will ever get from him, but it's also possible that the grading of his abilities probably should not be taking place until his third year when he's had a fair opportunity to develop. It goes without saying that Ehlinger is still in need of development.

That's not me having an agenda, that's me being fair to both players.

No. 3 – Semi-Bold Prediction ...

I mentioned this in the Facebook Iowa State Post-Game Show on Thursday night, but here's how I see the next two weeks unfolding ...

a. I fully expect Tom Herman to give Shane Buechele a big endorsement on Monday when he meets with the media. It might be the biggest endorsement we've seen from Herman for Buechele yet.

b. Buechele gets the start against Kansas State and I'm expecting a tight slug-fest, one that won't see the Texas offense solve most of its issues. It's a 65%-35% contest coming in my mind, so let's call it Texas 20 Kansas State 13.

c. Texas gets off to a slow start against Oklahoma and Buechele gets replaced by Sam Ehlinger in the second quarter.

In a way, it kind of reminds me of the situation in 2003 when Texas went into the Oklahoma game without a full identity with Chance Mock holding the job over Vince Young. The pressure that comes in a game like Texas-Oklahoma is such that if and when the offense gets stagnant against the Sooners, the sense of urgency of the moment will lead to a switch at the position.

d. Ehlinger makes the start against Oklahoma State.

No. 4 - One excuse on offense that I refuse to buy ...

Collin Johnson needed more touches on Thursday night. In college football, you do whatever you have to do to get your best player involved in a game.

Period.

I don't want to hear that Iowa State dropped eight at times. I don't want to hear about bracket coverage or triple coverage or quintuple coverage.

Get him the damn ball. That it didn't happen is on the coaches, which means it's on Tim Beck, which also means it's on Tom Herman.

Defenses all over America sell out to stop great opposing receivers and somehow all over America, teams find a way to get their great players the ball so their great players can make great plays.

Texas didn't do that on Thursday. The Texas coaches are very well compensated to be smarter than their counterparts on the other sidelines, but they didn't do enough in that facet of the chess match that took place.

Save me the excuse-making. Just make sure it never happens again. Texas can't beat good teams when Johnson has less than 30 yards receiving in a game.

No. 5 – Buy or Sell …
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BUY or SELL: Herman is calling plays by the end of the year?

(Sell) Tom Herman seems like a ride or die guy with his boys. I think he's going to spend the rest of the season strongly defending Beck.

BUY or SELL: With the UT defensive improvement, Todd Orlando takes a head coaching job for the 2018 season?

(Sell) I think he's still a year away from getting a job worth taking.

BUY or SELL: Texas can somehow manage 2-2 over the next 4 games?

(Buy) Can? Sure thing. Will? That's a million dollar question, no?

BUY or SELL: UTwiz will handle the transition to Sam Ehlinger (and the success that follows) in a quiet and humble fashion?

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BUY or SELL: Texas ends up as a top-three team in the big 12?

(Sell) Hard for me to say at this point that Texas finishes in the top three.

BUY or SELL: We would be 3-1 with Zaire at QB and Sam would have redshirted?

(Sell) There's no evidence that he would have flipped one of the two losses.

BUY or SELL: With the attention he receives, the fame of his name, coupled with the difficult task of recruiting to Lubbock ... Tech would likely be better off just keeping Kingsbury and hoping he matures into a great coach then moving on from him?

(Buy) What else are they going to do?

BUY or SELL: The offensive line starts maturing and solidifies by the OU game?

(Sell) You realize that the OU game will be either 12 or 13 days away, depending on when you read this, right? What you're asking is going to take more than 13 days.

No. 6 – About Kansas State ...

This is a perfectly average football team.

In watching a perfectly average performance against Baylor on Saturday, there's nothing about this team that is especially scary.

Its passing game is meh. It runs the ball pretty well and uses its quarterback's legs considerably. The defense is pretty good.

This is a team that Texas should 100-percent beat.

No. 7 – If I had a vote that counts ...

1. Alabama
2. Clemson
3. Oklahoma
4. TCU
5. Washington
6. Penn State
7. Michigan
8. Georgia
9. Wisconsin
10. Washington State

No. 8 – Hot damn, Houston (again) ...
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Geez, that was an absolute bloodbath.

For the second straight week, it's impossible to begin any NFL thoughts without mentioning DeShaun Watson's performance, first and foremost.

My goodness, how good was he on Sunday? I think I'm more excited for Houston Texans fans today than I have been for them at any point in their history.

No. 9 – Eternal Randomness of the Spotty Sports Mind …

... You could see that USC loss to Washington State coming from a mile away. The Trojans just ain't right.

... The SEC is just terrible enough that Kevin Sumlin might keep his job.

... Very quietly, Washington is steamrolling through the season and looking like one of a handful of teams capable of possibly slowing a third Alabama/Clemson championship game down.

... Let's have a moment of silence for the Butch Jones truthers.

... Penny for Charlie Strong's non-filtered thoughts at the moment.

... I still can't believe LSU hired Ed Orgeron. What a wildly ridiculous decision.

... Sign of the Apocalypse: All it took to get Cam Newton going was the New England defense at Foxborough.

... There's not yet a Super Bowl-worthy team in the entire NFL. Everyone is pretty meh.

... Brutal honesty: I'm more excited about the start of the NBA season than the end of the MLB season.

... Man City is really good. Really good.

... It's a taken a few years to totally understand it, but being a Liverpool soccer fan is a little like being a Dallas Cowboys fan. Therefore, I'm well-prepared for my lot in soccer fan life.

No. 10 – And finally …

Speaking of being a Cowboys fan, my cousin John and his son Kevin Emmitt Smith flew to from Philadelphia to Dallas this weekend to catch the Cowboys/Rams game at Jerry World.

I purchased tickets for them through TicketCity because I wanted to be a good cousin.

So, what happens?

Rams 35 Cowboys 30.

Not one damn thing about what happened in that game was surprising. This is what regressing to the mean looks like.



I think it would be important for someone to break down the play of our WR's before we go giving up on a specific QB. Its tough to see on tv, but when I watch their blocking on the quick swing passes, it sucks. When I hear
an ex college and NFL star critique our WR's for not knowing how to get open when our QB needs to move around and scramble in the pocket, I assume he is correct and its not all our QB. When I see two starting RB's look so bad
on the majority of their carries, they can't find the hole and show little patience in trying to find the hole, its not all on our QB.

I do agree with you that its a waste of time for our fellow OB's to critique Beck. We are paying up big for TH and his offensive prowess. So far, were not seeing anything unique and in many cases it looks similar to
the play calling from last season. What is the slightly above average fan to think other than the blame squarely falls on TH. Its just too easy to watch CO or TT look good on offense and with all of our athletes we look so
pedestrian. The entire offense is on TH.
 
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- Great points about why Herman was hired. +1

- The bold prediction when it comes to the QB competition is very intriguing.

- With you on the need to get Collin Johnson the ball more. My boy @echeese may feel like you can't do anything when a team tries to take away your offense, but I'm with you.

- DeShaun Watson looks like that guy. Houston may finally have a franchise QB.

- LSU hired Ed Oregron because it couldn't compete against Texas for Herman. Oregron is a good coordinator, but not a good coach.


Orgeron is a god position coach. Not a good coordinator. He has never coordinated anything but recruiting.
 
CS started a thread related to this earlier this week. It's possible he's not the QB and OC whisperer we all that he is. Maybe he was just a product of Urban Meyer's genius
His work with Greg Ward suggests he's not a one-trick pony, unless all of the Ward credit goes to Major.

I think much of the credit goes to Major

Time will tell

If TH was so great at running QBs, he would have put Heard in the QB competition vs "taking other people's opinion on him as a QB"
 
He stated why in February. He felt he needs to be able to tend to everything on game day, not just offensively, and he felt he couldn’t be at his best as a head coach if he was focused solely on play-calling and vice versa.

Perhaps he’ll feel differently in the future.

Thanks. I'm glad you remembered, I sure as hell didn't. I hope you're right and he does reconsider in the future. I think Beck gets overwhelmed like Shane does.
 
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I think it would be important for someone to break down the play of our WR's before we go giving up on a specific QB. Its tough to see on tv, but when I watch their blocking on the quick swing passes, it sucks. When I hear
an ex college and NFL star critique our WR's for not knowing how to get open when our QB needs to move around and scramble in the pocket, I assume he is correct and its not all our QB. When I see two starting RB's look so bad
on the majority of their carries, they can't find the hole and show little patience in trying to find the hole, its not all on our QB.

I do agree with you that its a waste of time for our fellow OB's to critique Beck. We are paying up big for TH and his offensive prowess. So far, were not seeing anything unique and in many cases it looks similar to
the play calling from last season. What is the slightly above average fan to think other than the blame squarely falls on TH. Its just too easy to watch CO or TT look good on offense and with all of our athletes we look so
pedestrian. The entire offense is on TH.
Gee, how did Herman have success on offense prior to coming here?

Can we at least give him a couple of seasons to get this offense up to speed?

He’s four gotdamn games into his tenure!
 
Was that OU game when Young took over for Mock the one where Vince kept throwing it in the dirt and everyone wanted him moved to TE? I can't remember if it was that year or not. Regardless, If Sam gets thown into that fire, I'd encourage everyone (impossible ask) to stick with him because it might take a year before he's good (see VY).

Ketch, in one of your thoughts, you realize that you said both QBs weren't ready and then proceeded to type 98% of that section's thoughts on Shane, right? At this point, I think that it's subliminal with you:) It's okay for you to tell the tribe here that you prefer Sam because of his strengths against this offensive deficiencies, but that the kid is super green and he's not ready either. You said this, but a 50/50 word split probably would've resonated with the readers:)

I think Herman is helping Beck tinker with the offense. We saw LJH in the backfield in the first half on a few plays and that was new. It worked because it gave us an extra blocker and CW scored on that drive. Of course, we went away from it in the second half. Anyway, we need a hell of a lot more tinkering.
 
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