No doubt Sims highlights are awesome. Don't recall a lot of past ones, but Andrew Jones had a terrific one also. Sims has a chance to be better than Tristian Thompson
Ketch's 10 Thoughts From the Weekend (What the UT QB situation really looks like...)
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No doubt Sims highlights are awesome. Don't recall a lot of past ones, but Andrew Jones had a terrific one also. Sims has a chance to be better than Tristian Thompson
Looked it up my lazy self...SB #10 and JH#16. Which is it, poor evaluation by you or too critical about SB now?
google said 68. I was just trying to point out that 68 or 78 would have been the first year freshman could even play so it narrows down the total years.
He played poorly against Kansas after suffering a stinger and having to go back in and play hurt b/c Swoopes fumbled away his first snap and wasn't going in, no matter what. Shane never should have played against Okie Lite after his rib injury against Cal or against TCU after his shoulder injury/stinger.
Coaches felt they had no one else. Swoopes fumble against Baylor on his first snap after Shane's injury finished his chances of playing meaningful minutes if Shane could go at all, and he gutted it up and played hurt last year in that and several other games.
It's in the film for all to see. His passes had nothing on them with bruised ribs against Okie Lite after Cal game. They had nothing on them when he played against TCU after stinger against Baylor. Before his rib injury he threw the prettiest deep sideline of any freshman QB in Texas' history.
Sam affords a good chance as a good backup who definitely plays next year. We finally have two good QBs, with enough arm and all the moxie one could ask for. Thanks goodness Swoopes is gone and Heard is a WR and 'emergency QB' only, if that. Been a long time since Texas had two young, talented QBs with instincts at the position and all the moxie one could want.
Sam will likely develop this Spring just like Shane did last year. Coming in early is invaluable these days.
Shane has still got plenty to prove, but I admire his toughness while playing hurt and how nice his deep and intermediate throws were when healthy, and I hope he and Sam stay healthy this fall.
Key really is health. I am certain Shane and Sam will both play better if they are not injured compared to their play while injured, particularly anything like rib or stinger or hand injuries that don't allow a QB to follow thru naturally with any zip.
Sam had two serious injuries last year which cost him much of the season, hopefully it was a one time thing for both.
Wouldn't it be more relevant to benchmark Shane's performance against those of other freshman QB's historically? I feel like the entire crux of Ketch's argument is that 140 is necessary for a Texas team to be successful, and Shane didn't hit 140. Ok. Fine. But the conclusion seems to be that the job shouldn't necessarily be his, and maybe we should turn to Sam...
But how often do freshmen hit 140? I think it's generally accepted that QBs get better over the course of their careers? How were guys that we delivering the magical 140 performing when they were thrust onto the stage as true freshmen, and how much do guys typically improve their QBR rating from year 1 to year 2?
I'm not sure how relevant it is to say "Shane didn't perform at the level we need as a true freshman" if you don't also benchmark it against the performance of other true freshmen and then extrapolate it to be somewhat predictive as to his performance next year. If there is a wide range of freshmen performances and the improvement from FR to SO is not as pronounced as I would expect, then by all means, use it as evidence to roll with Ehlinger. If the data shows that freshmen very rarely hit 140, wouldn't that tell you that Ehlinger is even less likely as a true FR to deliver the 140?
Other than to say "Shane didn't play well enough last year", what are we supposed to do with the data?
But how often do freshmen hit 140? I think it's generally accepted that QBs get better over the course of their careers? How were guys that we delivering the magical 140 performing when they were thrust onto the stage as true freshmen, and how much do guys typically improve their QBR rating from year 1 to year 2?
I'm not sure how relevant it is to say "Shane didn't perform at the level we need as a true freshman" if you don't also benchmark it against the performance of other true freshmen and then extrapolate it to be somewhat predictive as to his performance next year. If there is a wide range of freshmen performances and the improvement from FR to SO is not as pronounced as I would expect, then by all means, use it as evidence to roll with Ehlinger. If the data shows that freshmen very rarely hit 140, wouldn't that tell you that Ehlinger is even less likely as a true FR to deliver the 140?
Other than to say "Shane didn't play well enough last year", what are we supposed to do with the data?
No problem, but all sports but football and basketball got the ok in '68. Football and basketball wasn't until 1972 season. I went 1970 with full schollie but freshmen team was still limited to the other freshmen teams in the conference.
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Obviously that's frowned upon to say that might be a better indicator and is exactly what I was trying to get at. You'll now be accused of not reading the entire piece or being upset because stats didn't say what you wanted them to say.
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I don't think you can run it as a welfare program, or guarantee a scholarship for five years just because you committed. Both sides should have obligations to perform, including the 18-23 year olds. It's a special situation, special benefits, special responsibilities. Of course I worked my way through UT, as did all my peer group. We had to perform.
Yeah, I was wondering the best and worst part of the column we're discussing about this subject matter.
I also find it sad that Texas fans, of all people, fail to see total weakness of a true freshman QB.
Smh
Neither. Come on. There's a big ol' conversation taking place with nuance. Feel free to jump in.
That wasn't the conclusion at all. Sam was barely mentioned.
As I mentioned earlier when someone suggested something similar, that's a good column for the future.
a. It's relevant because the majority of people don't understand the season he truly had.
b. I used bench marks of quality quarterback play and Texas history, as you mentioned. I think the freshman component of this discussion is overplayed IMO.
You think the fact that Buechele was a true freshman last year is overplayed in terms of discussing his performance?
I think having the discussion through that prism is overplayed vs. discussing it in terms of a defined level of quality play.
At some point, I'll do the analysis you are asking for because it'll be interesting to see the data on a historical basis.
Fair enough. I hear you. I fully agree with your premise that people overrate what we saw on the field last year from SB. Part of it might be due to the fact that a lot of people mentally checked out from seriously analyzing games once the season went off the rails, and focused all mental energy on the Charlie debate, but it was clear that Buechele's performance was very up and down (and mostly down) after the first 2 games.
I guess I just think the true freshman piece of it is a huge angle and would be interested to see the numbers as to how his 136 bodes for next year (I'm sure the answer is - it depends), and how likely it is that another, different true freshman is able to jump in with something higher than 136.
I know your article was not to advocate for Shane vs. Sam, or vice versa, but that's the logical next step of discussing QB performance, so it would be cool to see it explored further.
Anyway, thanks for the column. Particularly #10. I donated early and hope others due the same.
Good points. I got the feel that the mods thought he was hurt but we never heard the extent of it. I sure would like to get the straight skinny from inside the program but I guess that ain't happening! So we are left to rely on speculation... welcome to Orangebloods!
Nuance is a word used to call someone else stupid and promote your own assumed intelligence more often than not. Someone who disagrees is too dumb to see the nuance you smarter types get.
Not meant as dig at you Ketch. I just really dislike what that word has come to mean recently.
What is jumping the shark is you thinking Hurts won those games by himself.
That's not jumping the shark, that's just something that has never been said, by myself or anyone else.
@Ketchum The "hurt Shane" theory is out there for a reason... close the door on it with inside information and not just conjecture and cool Gifs.
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Anwar - the point is that it is a huge reach to say: "Alabama won with a similar passer rating/statistics Freshman QB ... so our problem must not have been the QB". Alabama won in spite of their passing game ... not because of it. What do you think Saban and Kiffin were fighting about all the time? Their ridiculous dominance in all other aspects of the game, including running by the QB, was needed to cover for a bad passing attack.
There is no angle for linking Hurt's passing statistics to Alabama's success, but to admit that they won in spite of having a bad passing attack.
I've said this at least three or four times in this thread.
No one is disputing that he was banged up. What I would take exception to is the idea that all of his poor play this season when it occurred, occurred for nothing but reasons that remove responsibility from the player.
Lot of people claiming injuries, coaching, teammates, etc...
Yes, all of those are pieces of the discussion, but so is the unmistakable areas of improvement that need to take place that Buechele is responsible for.
he doesn't want to acknowledge common sense things like this that everyone else is screaming.. yet he claims not to have an agenda or to be trolling.
by everyone, you mean four or five posters that can't even specifically identify a section in the article that they can point to as taking exception to...
