Night Stalker on Netflix

[rjenk]

Wonder how much of his childhood is true regarding dad, uncle, Vietnam, etc.

Easy to tell stories after you’ve been caught to justify your sickness. Lots of people have bad childhoods but they don’t go killing people.

 

[Ketchum]

I kinda found her to be an attention whore in this series. Even my wife was like, “Fvck this isn’t about you lady.”

How so?

 

[Ketchum]

“within her right to report”...... I am within my right to use racial slurs, have sex with other women other than my wife, and drink whiskey at home until I black out every day.... doesn’t mean I should.

One is her profession and is protected by the constitution.

The other is... not.

The prisms through which people see things from one person to the next is something else.

 

[Juarez Your Problem]

How so?

I’m sure the series wanted to provide the media’s perspective, but her explaining her traumatic experience compared to those of the real victims and their families wasn’t necessary.

You had a woman who was raped by this guy at six years old sharing her very personal and tragic story, then Laurel talking about how her cat would wake her up and scare her. Gimme a break lady and shut up.

 

[Ketchum]

I’m sure the series wanted to provide the media’s perspective, but her explaining her traumatic experience compared to those of the real victims and their families wasn’t necessary.

You had a woman who was raped by this guy at six years old sharing her very personal and tragic story, then Laurel talking about how her cat would wake her up and scare her. Gimme a break lady and shut up.

You realize she was interviewed.

The filmmakers then used the parts THEY felt like added to the story.

The cutting room floor was likely full of hours upon hours of interviews.

It's a little strange to me that the only nitpicking in this entire thread appears to be focused on.

a. reporter.
b. female.

🤷‍♂️

 

[HornCommander]

One is her profession and is protected by the constitution.

The other is... not.

The prisms through which people see things from one person to the next is something else.

I’m sorry what? Using racial slurs is not protected by the constitution?

 

[HornCommander]

You realize she was interviewed.

The filmmakers then used the parts THEY felt like added to the story.

The cutting room floor was likely full of hours upon hours of interviews.

It's a little strange to me that the only nitpicking in this entire thread appears to be focused on.

a. reporter.
b. female.

🤷‍♂️

Ask me how I felt watching Outcry and who my nitpicks were concerning...... believe me when I say I know how to take my bias glasses off and be rational..... Cedar Park PD and the Williamson Ct DA’s office was a corrupt and disgusting as they come.... i was ready to drive over and demand Sean Mannix’s termination myself... and I practically bleed blue.

Are you okay with us when we go after female reporters when it directly affects you such as when Taylor Gaspar tries to shit on this site, it’s rep, and ultimately you? Cuz I don’t think you found our critiques about a female reporter then to be unwarranted.... so why are you knight in shining armor Laurel Erickson here?

 

[Juarez Your Problem]

You realize she was interviewed.

The filmmakers then used the parts THEY felt like added to the story.

The cutting room floor was likely full of hours upon hours of interviews.

It's a little strange to me that the only nitpicking in this entire thread appears to be focused on.

a. reporter.
b. female.

🤷‍♂️

That’s true. It’s the filmmakers fault then, and I’m only commenting on Laurel because she was specifically mentioned here. Nothing against her as a woman, she could be a dude for all I care (insert Zoey Tur trans joke here).

To be honest I don’t know why my immediate reaction was to think “Oh fvck off” for the media. I think maybe because by comparison the opinions of the media are nothing compared to the testimonies of the victims and law enforcement.

 

[TXNLIVNNTX]

The guy gets convicted of 13 counts of murder, admits to them but sits on death row for 23 years? I’m sure it would have been much longer if he didn’t die from cancer.

This makes no sense and is a poor reflection on our justice system. There’s no logical rationale for it taking that long to execute someone like this who’s admitted his crimes. There’s no reason that evil POS should have been able to breathe oxygen and waste tax payer money for those 23 years.

 

[Ketchum]

Are you okay with us when we go after female reporters when it directly affects you such as when Taylor Gaspar tries to shit on this site, it’s rep, and ultimately you?

I'm not.

I repeatedly delete threads about her and the trash that gets posted.

 

[HornCommander]

I'm not.

I repeatedly delete threads about her and the trash that gets posted.

Fair enough and I’ve seen you do so... let me phrase another way...

Do you feel based on the highly exaggerative and sometimes completely unfounded claims of Taylor on her Twitter concerning the owners and users of OB’s that she kind of gets what she has coming in the form of Twitter responses/critiques?

 

[Juarez Your Problem]

Fair enough and I’ve seen you do so... let me phrase another way...

Do you feel based on the highly exaggerative and sometimes completely unfounded claims of Taylor on her Twitter concerning the owners and users of OB’s that she kind of gets what she has coming in the form of Twitter responses/critiques?

Very fair question bro, but let’s keep this thread about the Night Stalker.

I’m no moderator but I was enjoying the Night Stalker series talk and don’t want this thread locked.

 

[Ketchum]

Fair enough and I’ve seen you do so... let me phrase another way...

Do you feel based on the highly exaggerative and sometimes completely unfounded claims of Taylor on her Twitter concerning the owners and users of OB’s that she kind of gets what she has coming in the form of Twitter responses/critiques?

I think it often goes overboard.

I don't know how to define what a person has coming to them, but coming at them with the lowest possible hanging fruit feels low-class at a minimum.

 

[HornCommander]

Very fair question bro, but let’s keep this thread about the Night Stalker.

I’m no moderator but I was enjoying the Night Stalker series talk and don’t want this thread locked.

It is about the night stalker.... it’s about Ketch’s rationale to bring up the critiques for Laurel Erickson to be simply because she’s a female reporter.
Not only is that inaccurate but also very accusatory in nature..

but in the spirit of respect I will drop
The TG examples to prove my points...

 

[Ketchum]

Very fair question bro, but let’s keep this thread about the Night Stalker.

I’m no moderator but I was enjoying the Night Stalker series talk and don’t want this thread locked.

It's in no danger in being locked. I just don't quite understand the comments aimed at her. I thought she was mostly a very bit player in the entire 5-part series.

I certainly don't begrudge her experience and sharing it.

 

[Ketchum]

it’s about Ketch’s rationale to bring up the critiques for Laurel Erickson to be simply because she’s a female reporter.

No, it's about questioning why you watched the series.,.. and in your own words... all you could say was F her. And then you went on a political heater about the press.

I'm just trying to understand your process and explain to you why it might be misguided.

JMO.

 

[Juarez Your Problem]

It is about the night stalker.... it’s about Ketch’s rationale to bring up the critiques for Laurel Erickson to be simply because she’s a female reporter.
Not only is that inaccurate but also very accusatory in nature..

but in the spirit of respect I will drop
The TG examples to prove my points...

I get it man I’m right there with you. Like I mentioned above, my criticism is of the media in general not just a female reporter. The perspectives of the victims and law enforcement significantly outweigh those of the media, in my opinion.

 

[Juarez Your Problem]

It's in no danger in being locked. I just don't quite understand the comments aimed at her. I thought she was mostly a very bit player in the entire 5-part series.

I certainly don't begrudge her experience and sharing it.

Easy media target I suppose because she was the focal point of their perspective.

 

[Ketchum]

Easy media target I suppose because she was the focal point of their perspective.

except no one had a bad word to say about her in the doc. If anything, they went out of their way to paint her as someone that put the investigation first and herself second.

There's a lot of folks along the way that were worthy of criticism. I just found criticism of her to be instinctive towards media hate that exists and not towards anything she actually did.

 

[65HornInTacoma]

Wish they’d make a new season of Mindhunter. That’s one of my favorite Netflix originals, but David Fincher doesn’t seem to think season 3 is in the cards.

Absolutely the best.


Btw- The latest American Horror Story season (1984) theme is basically Friday the 13th (summer camp etc) but with some awesome twists. They take "campy" to an entirely new level and its hilarious. A lot of inside nostalgic jokes. The soundtrack is on point.

I mention this because one of the bad guys is Richard Ramirez. The actor did a great job.

 

[HornCommander]

No, it's about questioning why you watched the series.,.. and in your own words... all you could say was F her. And then you went on a political heater about the press.

I'm just trying to understand your process and explain to you why it might be misguided.

JMO.

I watched the series to see the detailed way Solerno and Carrillo tracked the guy down... Im a sucker for good sound police work

At no point were my Comments “political” concerning the media... i simply said I can’t stand snakes WITHIN the media. I did NOT say, I can’t stand the media as a whole, i think all media are snakes, fake news etc....

the reason snake was mentioned was because in my opinion Laurel Erickson used what I believe to be snake like means to get an exclusive.

you’ve established she was well within her right to do that and I agree with you.... but I also hold the right to consider her tactics shady and snakelike nonetheless.

how is that political?

 

[Ketchum]

I watched the series to see the detailed way Solerno and Carrillo tracked the guy down... Im a sucker for good sound police work

At no point were my Comments “political” concerning the media... i simply said I can’t stand snakes WITHIN the media. I did NOT say, I can’t stand the media as a whole, i think all media are snakes, fake news etc....

the reason snake was mentioned was because in my opinion Laurel Erickson used what I believe to be snake like means to get an exclusive.

you’ve established she was well within her right to do that and I agree with you.... but I also hold the right to consider her tactics shady and snakelike nonetheless.

how is that political?

what was shady about it?

 

[Ketchum]

Night Stalker: Where is Laurel Erickson now? Journalist in Netflix documentary series

Laurel Erickson appears in Night Stalker but where is the journalist now? Let’s explore the Netflix documentary series on Richard Ramirez.

www.hitc.com

NETFLIX: NIGHT STALKER JOURNALIST
The journalist built up a significant reputation in Los Angeles as part of KNBC, the NBC television network. She rose through the ranks and became the face of NewsRaw, as well as a co-host on NewsConference.

As highlighted by The Cinemaholic, a KNBC statement said Laurel was “known as a specialist on California politics and a journalist who relentlessly pursued the facts on behalf of ordinary citizens caught up in the machinations of the powerful. Among her awards is a 1988 Peabody for her touching and powerful portrait of life and death in an AIDS hospice.”

She provided extensive coverage on the Night Stalker murders at the time, accessing court hearings and ensuring aspects of the trial and so forth were broadcast.

 

[HornCommander]

what was shady about it?

Shady is relative right?

It was shady to me that she would leverage leaking very pertinent info regarding the case that had the killer known, would’ve completey changed the course of the investigation in order to get her story...

Again, I completely get the fact that “it’s her job to get the story” and what not.... but there’s a right and wrong way to go about it to me... and I feel the way she went about it was shady..

If I were in her shoes... I don’t know if I could feel good about myself using her same tactics to get the exclusive... I would’ve had a bad taste in my mouth...

 

[Ketchum]

Issues that I would contend truly warrant disdain.

* The decision to leave the dentist office.

* Tampering of crime scenes by officers that wanted to sight-see.

* The car being left in the sun.

* The Feinstein press conference being allowed to happen because no one communicated to her what needed to be protected in terms of key evidence.

* Different police agencies not sharing info because they wanted the glory to themselves.

 

[Ketchum]

Shady is relative right?

It was shady to me that she would leverage leaking very pertinent info regarding the case that had the killer known, would’ve completey changed the course of the investigation in order to get her story...

Again, I completely get the fact that “it’s her job to get the story” and what not.... but there’s a right and wrong way to go about it to me... and I feel the way she went about it was shady..

If I were in her shoes... I don’t know if I could feel good about myself using her same tactics to get the exclusive... I would’ve had a bad taste in my mouth...

what would have been the right way?

 

[HornCommander]

what would have been the right way?

Again, right and wrong are clearly relative regarding this... so in my opinion, when Salerno clearly responded with fear/anxiety about her knowing that info and according to him blatantly asking her to not go forward with that story, she could have chosen to drop it and continue to ask for a exclusive leveraging her “I scratched your back Salerno” for her dropping the shoe info...

Instead she went with the “give me the exclusive or I report it”....

If it were me.. I probably would’ve adhered to Salerno’s request without pushback seeing how important it was... is there a risk to never getting an exclusive? Sure.... but I’d take that risk...

That’s just me... idk...

 

[burnto]

The shady part for most, I imagine, solely arises from the inherent constant digging for information in an active investigation involving some gruesome crimes that are 100% going to continue without an identification and capture. She gained information that could derail the investigation and used it to extort the police department via threats to run said information regardless of it’s negative implications to solving the case.

Putting the “rules” of journalism aside, it’s not hard to see how someone watching could have a bad taste. The fact that one of the people that would be most biased towards her position is the only one making a stand about someone’s personal opinion regarding her role in the story is fairly telling.

I, personally, didn’t have huge issues with it either way. I can, however, see it from both perspectives.

 

[Change My Name]

I LOVE the fact that the public captured him and beat the shit out of him to boot. Good for those men and women and a gold start to the guy that brained him. It would have been so much simpler if that sheriff's deputy showed up just a few minutes later so the crowd could have finished the job.

 

[davidcue]

Ver

He’s been dead for 8 years
[/QUOTE it was very good and he was such a sick individual.

 

[Texas2Big]

Don’t understand the dentist - repeatedly pushed alarm and cops don’t come. Use a phone. And you can’t find a way to inject him or gas him to knock him out?

What if he was the wrong guy? I'm pretty sure you can loose your right to practice and probably go to jail if you inject a patient with something to knock them out without permission. Plus do we know how much the police told the dentist about who this guy actually was?

 

[65HornInTacoma]

I'm not a bleeding heart and I don't excuse the horror he rained down on so many people. But man, have you guys read about his childhood. His cousin comes back from Vietnam and continually shares stories from Vietnam about how he raped and murdered Vietnamese women. He even showed him pictures of his victims, one with a severed head. This same cousin shoots his wife in the face in front of Richard. To me, this explains why some of his early victims were Asian, which while watching the show I thought was odd. Only later did he change his victim pattern to elderly people.

 

[Ketchum]

I'm not a bleeding heart and I don't excuse the horror he rained down on so many people. But man, have you guys read about his childhood. His cousin comes back from Vietnam and continually shares stories from Vietnam about how he raped and murdered Vietnamese women. He even showed him pictures of his victims, one with a severed head. This same cousin shoots his wife in the face in front of Richard. To me, this explains why some of his early victims were Asian, which while watching the show I thought was odd. Only later did he change his victim pattern to elderly people.

What is the bottom line of what you are suggesting?

Insanity?

That we should feel post-crime empathy?

I'm not disagreeing, I'm just not sure what the end point was.

 

[TXNLIVNNTX]

I'm not a bleeding heart and I don't excuse the horror he rained down on so many people. But man, have you guys read about his childhood. His cousin comes back from Vietnam and continually shares stories from Vietnam about how he raped and murdered Vietnamese women. He even showed him pictures of his victims, one with a severed head. This same cousin shoots his wife in the face in front of Richard. To me, this explains why some of his early victims were Asian, which while watching the show I thought was odd. Only later did he change his victim pattern to elderly people.

Is the “why” he did what he did really relevant? I think not. With people like this, the only thing that matters is catching them and putting them down. Permanently.

 

[65HornInTacoma]

What is the bottom line of what you are suggesting?

Insanity?

That we should feel post-crime empathy?

I'm not disagreeing, I'm just not sure what the end point was.

No real point exactly as it relates to him. But more of a larger societal observation how horror replicates itself like a virus in society.