Carter was a gift. A nice addition to the class, for sure, but I don't think this staff can claim credit for that. I do like the addition of Brewer. They didn't have much competition for him, but I think he may represent the one player they went and evaluated outside of the work they had done at UH. With that said, there is a reason he wasn't highly recruited. I'm guessing his size is the issue. We'll see how he translates to CFB.
Recruiting Thread 2017
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Two new offers out, both at WR:
Elijah Gardiner – Kemp (Kemp, TX)
*** 6-5/185 – 169 NPR – Missouri
Chris Miller – Denton (Denton, TX)
*** 5-11/173 – 46 NPR – Colorado
Elijah Gardiner – Kemp (Kemp, TX)
*** 6-5/185 – 169 NPR – Missouri
Chris Miller – Denton (Denton, TX)
*** 5-11/173 – 46 NPR – Colorado
Who was the stud recruit Strong brought in to finish the 2014 class that would lead anyone to expect the 2015 and 2016 classes we landed?
You need to give us examples of coaches taking over a team with 3 straight losing seasons that killed it in his first (partial) class. Otherwise, your expectations of Herman aren't based in reality.
Herman at Houston is a start (not their record, but the fact that he came in with a plan to attract talent they were not used to getting)
Man too many feelings getting hurt on here. Sit back and relax we can't do no worse then last year with this team and they will be a year older. And like Herman said nobody has a starting spot so let the new recruits come and compete and make the next guy better.
Hook 'Em
Hook 'Em
His first recruiting class at Houston was ranked 92nd in the country. It wasn't until the 2016 class when he had a full year to build relationships and show what the team was capable of that he started to land the big names.
Lol, I was at the luncheon. He has a well thought out and formulated plan...the we're Texas crowd drive me nuts and seldom do they have skins on the wall.
Transition classes aren't sexy
These guys were 3 stars; D. Foreman, Z. Shackelford, Jake McMillan, M. Roach, B. Hager, and Connor Williams. Those 6 are among the best players on the 2016 team.
Some recruitics are commending Herman's ability to find under the radar guys that fit his system a la TCU's Patterson.
http://texas.thefootballbrainiacs.com/2017/01/tfb-short-stars-and-evaluations/
Some recruitics are commending Herman's ability to find under the radar guys that fit his system a la TCU's Patterson.
http://texas.thefootballbrainiacs.com/2017/01/tfb-short-stars-and-evaluations/
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While Marvin Wilson is the only one really vocal about it; there are a lot of 2017 guys, that Strong had built relationships with during recruiting, that feel Strong was done wrong by Texas and aren't looking at Texas because of it.
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"While Marvin Wilson is the only one really vocal about it; there are a lot of 2017 guys, that Strong was recruiting, that feel Strong was done wrong by Texas and aren't looking at Texas because of it."
Man whatever helps you sleep at night....Strong had his shot and failed....end of story. Do I feel Strong was a good guy....yes......was he the right man for the "TEXAS" job.....maybe.....maybe not. But when you are hired to WIN games and you don't do it.....you are let go.
I'm sure a "lot" of 2017 guys couldn't wait to come to TEXAS and play for a 5 - 6 win football program over the Bama/Ohio St teams that are winning 9-12 games a year and fighting for a playoff birth. TEXAS is in the business of WINNING and that is why the coaching change was made.
Man whatever helps you sleep at night....Strong had his shot and failed....end of story. Do I feel Strong was a good guy....yes......was he the right man for the "TEXAS" job.....maybe.....maybe not. But when you are hired to WIN games and you don't do it.....you are let go.
I'm sure a "lot" of 2017 guys couldn't wait to come to TEXAS and play for a 5 - 6 win football program over the Bama/Ohio St teams that are winning 9-12 games a year and fighting for a playoff birth. TEXAS is in the business of WINNING and that is why the coaching change was made.
Charlie Strong.....great guy, maybe, I don't know him personally. He left Louisville and they are doing better. My hope is the same for the Longhorns. In his third year, he had an embarrassing loss to Kansas. If he truly is honorable, he'd admit he deserved to be fired like the many coordinators he fired before him. Good luck to him in Florida. I think you go to Florida for Mickey Mouse and Sea world, you go to Texas for football. Hook Em!
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Strong won 11 and then 12 games in his last two seasons at UL.
Petrino is; 9, 8, 9
Strong won 11 and then 12 games in his last two seasons at UL.
Petrino is; 9, 8, 9
I would say the record over the last 7 seasons is the top reason Texas no longer recruits itself.
I guess you didn't realize Louisville switched conferences. The Big East was where they played every year but his last, ACC wasn't near as good when they first switched over. Records only matter to a certain degree, ask Houston
"I would say the record over the last 7 seasons is the top reason Texas no longer recruits itself."
True.... but 4 of those last 7 seasons had 6 or less wins.....Mack Brown had 1 and Strong had 3. That's why TEXAS made the coaching move. Mediocrity is something TEXAS doesn't like to be associated with.....some teams are satisfied with "mediocrity" with an occasional upset every now and then. TEXAS is trying to turn things around and I hope they do it with Herman.....hell I was hoping they would do it with Strong but it didn't happen. Recruiting will be fine as soon as TEXAS starts winning more than 6 games a year.....TEXAS is still TEXAS.
True.... but 4 of those last 7 seasons had 6 or less wins.....Mack Brown had 1 and Strong had 3. That's why TEXAS made the coaching move. Mediocrity is something TEXAS doesn't like to be associated with.....some teams are satisfied with "mediocrity" with an occasional upset every now and then. TEXAS is trying to turn things around and I hope they do it with Herman.....hell I was hoping they would do it with Strong but it didn't happen. Recruiting will be fine as soon as TEXAS starts winning more than 6 games a year.....TEXAS is still TEXAS.
Ex-zachary and Jones is a prime example as well. Marv slammed the door shut on Texas when Strong was fired. So you lose some ground with those guys this cycle, I repeat, this cycle.
lol, as much flack as folks like to give bubble screen Davis or GDGD, the wheels began to fall off for Mack when he made him fall on the stake...
That and Strong also coached UL when they were in the big east. They are now in the ACC which has a little bit better competition. Outside of Florida in the Sugar bowl there was no one of substance that Strong faced and beat.
This isn't a debate over whether Strong needed to be fired. He was a bad coach at Texas, period. He wasn't hired to be a youth counselor, and there are many, many unsuccessful coaches that the players loved. The team was poorly coached, there is no getting around it.
If you think Herman came in with a plan to bring in under the radar low end three stars who are going to turn out like Foreman and Williams, I applaud your optimism. What I see, from the guys Herman recruited (not Strong) in this class, is a bunch of guys he was recruiting at UH and some other long shots.
Yes, I get that you can't write them off immediately, but I'm not impressed. Again, I didn't expect to compete with Ohio State, was just hoping for an impressive commitment or two for Herman's signature on this class. Its not going to happen.
If you think Herman came in with a plan to bring in under the radar low end three stars who are going to turn out like Foreman and Williams, I applaud your optimism. What I see, from the guys Herman recruited (not Strong) in this class, is a bunch of guys he was recruiting at UH and some other long shots.
Yes, I get that you can't write them off immediately, but I'm not impressed. Again, I didn't expect to compete with Ohio State, was just hoping for an impressive commitment or two for Herman's signature on this class. Its not going to happen.
are you serious?...Where in hell do you get this idea?...I mean really! Where do you get this idea. Herman comes in in December( ok...in the last of November) with no access to the staff he wanted to hire until late December and you want him to start recruiting all the top players that are mostly already committed somewhere else and you are ragging him because he wasnt successful flipping them? Here where we have had a losing record for 3 years? I am not going to slam you for doing that....we are all on the same side here, but I am absolutely trying to understand the logic of your argument.
not all, just a couple, and I'm not slamming him, just saying I'm not impressed. But just like any and every thread on this board, some just cannot abide a skeptic.
By the way you can look at these guys recruiting history and see that most of the guys Herman has gotten commitments from at Texas, he offered at UH.
It's not about optimism, Strong did the same to finish out the class he was left with by adding Freeman who was going to commit regardless, Ford, Nelson, Anderson and Rodriguez.
The class was stacked from Mack:
Roberson
Heard
Foreman, A
Joe
Catalon
Bonney
Bernard
Roberts
Whiteley
Beck
Hampton
Leonard
Cuney
Gray
McMillon
Hall
Foreman, D
^^^^ Were all committed to the previous regime under Mack Brown.
Recruiting is based off of relationships. Herman didn't have a relationship with ANY of the top flight guys in this class, he wasn't recruiting them to Houston (by golly George, he new what his limitations were, must be a realistic fella). He is forming relationships as quick as he can with a dead period that just ended. Walker Little wasn't happening, Marvin Wilson wasn't happening, yet they still laid out the red carpet and gave an all out effort to land them or at least get them to listen. What he has done is bring in NEED and FIT to his/Beck/Orlando systems. His PLAN has nothing to do with this current recruiting class, only a fool would think he was going to land a top 15 class this year. Pull kids that fit your needs and the needs on the depth chart while already pushing hard into 2018 recruiting. This next class is going to tell the story on the new staff and recruiting.
The team is shit based off record, he's attempting to polish a turd! Maybe, just maybe...good coaching will make something out of the last two recruiting classes that folks like to tout. Strong and company couldn't get it done.
I'll be impressed when we win with any recruit! Strong impressed me with some of the recruits he brought in but then again we went 5-7 two years in a row. So bringing in 4-5 stars is awesome but winning with them will impress me even more!
This is true. A win is a win regardless of the roster ranking. With that said, this is a recruiting thread.
Well yes, I would sure hope that even the most optimistic about this class would expect better next year.
That's the way the game works, don't come off as knucklehead over it. Herman will have more of a signature on the 2017 class than Strong did on the 2014 class. Which likely helps with attrition. Go check out the attrition from that class, one of which transferred to Houston and was doing well under Herman.
I'll save you some time!
Roberson (Gone)
Heard (moved to WR)
Foreman, A (3 season, pretty average)
Joe (had a few plays)
Catalon (Gone)
Bonney (Average at best)
Bernard (injuries)
Roberts (Gone)
Whiteley (Gone)
Beck (used minimally)
Hampton (Gone)
Leonard (played in 11 games in 2016)
Cuney (career back up)
Gray (hasn't done squat)
McMillon (moved to OL)
Hall (has had his moments)
Foreman, D (2016 rushing leader and Doak Walker award winner) feather in cap
Freeman committed under Strong's watch, in the rotation
Ford, in the rotation
Nelson, in the rotation
Anderson, not much to talk about, seen some snaps
Rodriguez, not much to talk about, seen some snaps
Duke Catalon transferred to Houston, under Herman last season in 8 games he rushed for 510 on 131 attempts for 4 TD's and had 272 yards receiving on 40 receptions for 3 TD's.
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who else was he supposed to recruit?...you can only land the guys you have developed a relationship with, so of course they were guys he recruited at UH....THATS WHERE HE WAS.
I dont mind a skeptic.....and as I said there are many areas where Herman has unknown factors. After all, he has only been a HC for what?....3 years? I think deep down, we are all concerned that he has no real track record for us to rely upon, at least at a top school. All we know is what he has done so far, and it looks promising from a wins standpoint.He was successful at his only HC job.My point in all this is that I dont see how any conclusion whatever can be drawn from this shortened recruiting cycle.
Meh, put me in the skeptic bucket too. I didn't expect this class to be a top 10 class, given the coaching change and short time frame, but I did expect at least a couple great recruits by Tommy we weren't expecting. That hasn't happened except for the 4* star RB . . . Other than him, I see a bunch of 3 star guys that few other top schools wanted. So yeah, I'm kind of blah on this class.
If we get this kind of class next year too . . . I'm going to have to re-evaluate UT's place along side the other football blue bloods. I'm hoping Tommy kills it next season and proves me wrong but right now I have a bad feeling about where Texas is headed. I'm just not seeing a path back to the NCG or playoffs. Come on Tommy, prove me wrong!
If we get this kind of class next year too . . . I'm going to have to re-evaluate UT's place along side the other football blue bloods. I'm hoping Tommy kills it next season and proves me wrong but right now I have a bad feeling about where Texas is headed. I'm just not seeing a path back to the NCG or playoffs. Come on Tommy, prove me wrong!
Meh, put me in the skeptic bucket too. I didn't expect this class to be a top 10 class, given the coaching change and short time frame, but I did expect at least a couple great recruits by Tommy we weren't expecting. That hasn't happened except for the 4* star RB . . . Other than him, I see a bunch of 3 star guys that few other top schools wanted. So yeah, I'm kind of blah on this class.
If we get this kind of class next year too . . . I'm going to have to re-evaluate UT's place along side the other football blue bloods. I'm hoping Tommy kills it next season and proves me wrong but right now I have a bad feeling about where Texas is headed. I'm just not seeing a path back to the NCG or playoffs. Come on Tommy, prove me wrong!
Herman's transition class at UH finished 92nd in the country. His first and only full class was 36th. There's no doubt the 2018 class will be better.
Keep in mind to. One of the things the elite recruits want is early playing time. UT is stacked with sophomores and JRs. Herman can't go in to living rooms and say hey your going to play. That hurts him as he's trying to get kids to switch their commits
Having on open depth chart certainly doesn't hurt, but all of the elite Texas guys aren't going to OSU, Bama, LSU, and Stanford because Texas is stacked. They want to win first are foremost and there isn't a program in this state right now that satisfies that.
