So how far down the list do the Aggies have to go to get a coach ?
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Jimbo may or may not leave FSU for A&M. He may or may not be the guy to take A&M to an elite level. But it is a good sign that BMA's are all in. Hopefully that commitment includes recruiting. If not, it's all for nothing. No coach can do it on his own. None. Not even Saban or Myer.
Just because he comes doesn't mean he'll win big or recruit lights out. Have to see it to believe it, same with Herman.
I think he's better than Sumlin, but not elite. He'll need elite talent to win more than 8 or 9 a year in the SECW. Only a couple coaches are truly elite.
Time will tell.
Better in what way? Winston defined Jimbo's best years and he coaches in the ACC which is far easier than the SEC...
Well okay removing his two best years. He won a BCS bowl pre Winston and won the conference as well. Has had 2 new years six bowl appearances sans Winston as well. He didn't win a championship every year or anything but we are comparing him to Sumlin not Saban.
Maybe his best years are behind him but his resume is certainly a lot better than Sumlins. I have to at least call it an upgrade at this point. What is so hard about coaching in the SEC save the one game against Bama?
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Been in a meeting all day and just got back in front of my computer. I'm not seeing anything official with Fisher to a&m. I don't think its a done deal.
mm42 is right. There is no guarantee that Fisher is coming to a&m, and if he does, there is no guarantee that he'll recruit lights out and produce any better than Sumlin did.
mm42 is right. There is no guarantee that Fisher is coming to a&m, and if he does, there is no guarantee that he'll recruit lights out and produce any better than Sumlin did.
LSU, Auburn, Ole Miss, Arkansas and Mississippi State are all physical teams. ACC has some top teams, but the physical grind isn't the same. Neither is the financial and emotional commitment from the schools. The DL play in the SECW is different than all others.
LSU has more guys in the NFL than Alabama, or anyone else. Just not the coaching.
SECW was down this year, but Bama & Auburn are elite, and LSU has elite talent. Mississippi State was pretty good, due to their QB and toughness. Arkie & Ole Miss were just bad. Sumlin only beat the bad SECW teams. Couldn't beat the pretty good Miss St or talented but flawed LSU. Struggled with the bad teams as well.
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The Only "down teams" in the West were Old Miss and Arkansas. The Top 4 were as good as they've been with Bama maybe a bit injury-ridden. It's a physical league with tough home fields...except for ours of course. I DO believe, however, that nobody is unbeatable.
stop this! there was 1 year (14 i believe) where all these teams were really good. and they were that year, no doubt. but that was 1 year. other than that, bama has been really good every year. auburn is good one year, then really bad the next 2. lsu is really good on defense every year but has run a 1975 offense. the mississippis-- people act like they've been these juggernauts for years. truth is, mullin (and dak) made one of them DECENT (not anything special). cheating made the other really good one year and decent the rest of the time. arkansas has been merely decent throughout.
so other than bama, there hasn't been any consistent greatness. lsu is talented but flawed. and malzahn gets it right in the years he's about to get fired. other than that, it's a bunch of 7-5 teams that get to 7-5 because they each get 3-4 layups in non-conference. like, uncontested layups.
stop spewing tired rhetoric. fact-- atm and mizzou dragged the sec kicking-and-screaming into the 21st century because they had no idea how to properly defend a spread offense until mizzou and ag arrived, with the exception of... wait for it... charlie strong.
I'm not going to argue that the SEC west isn't a tough division, nor would I debate someone that wants to claim that it's the toughest in college football. My point was it is not so much tougher that a coach that finished with a putrid SEC record is similar to a coach that has won the ACC multiple times, won a BCS bowl, won a NC, another playoff berth, and multiple NY6 appearances. Having a losing SEC record is not the equivalent of winning other conferences.
Not that I am saying Jimbo is leading aggy to the promise land, but he's an upgrade over Sumlin.
TexExSpur do you not realize how bad Sumlin was against the SEC? I mean his records are solid overall but that was only because they scheduled so many give me wins.
Not that I am saying Jimbo is leading aggy to the promise land, but he's an upgrade over Sumlin.
TexExSpur do you not realize how bad Sumlin was against the SEC? I mean his records are solid overall but that was only because they scheduled so many give me wins.
Sumlin conference record
2017 4-4
2016 4-4
2015 4-4
2014 3-5
2013 4-4
2012 6-2
So basically Sumlin is an average coach. I don't think he recruited most of the 2012 team since it was his first year.
So aggy is no better in the SEC than they were in the B12.
2017 4-4
2016 4-4
2015 4-4
2014 3-5
2013 4-4
2012 6-2
So basically Sumlin is an average coach. I don't think he recruited most of the 2012 team since it was his first year.
So aggy is no better in the SEC than they were in the B12.
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Yeah the only year they had a winning record in the SEC was because their team was comprised of only Big12 players.
Just checked on Ebay. No swagcopter. Promised my kids we would get a deal on it for Christmas.
Sumlin was average at best. That 2012 team was as loaded on offense as any recent team.
QB 1st rounder Manziel
RB 2nd rounder Michael
RB UFA Malena
WR 1st rounder Evans
WR 6th rounder Swoops
WR UFA Nwachuku
And the OL was ridiculous
OT 1st rounder Joeckel
OT 1st rounder Matthews
G 1st rounder Ogbuehi
G 5th rounder Harrison
C UFA who stuck in NFL a few years Lewis
Does not take a genius to do ok with that on offense. Those guys were starters, not young guys who played later.
Already working on contingency plan?
If Texas A&M doesn't land primary target Jimbo Fisher with a sizable contract offer, the Aggies have honed in on TCU's Gary Patterson and Oklahoma State's Mike Gundy, sources have told Football Scoop.
https://247sports.com/college/texas...bo-Fisher-Mike-Gundy-Gary-Patterson-111233259
If Texas A&M doesn't land primary target Jimbo Fisher with a sizable contract offer, the Aggies have honed in on TCU's Gary Patterson and Oklahoma State's Mike Gundy, sources have told Football Scoop.
https://247sports.com/college/texas...bo-Fisher-Mike-Gundy-Gary-Patterson-111233259
Why would Patterson even answer the phone? Gundy looks like he wants out of Stillwater. If he doesn’t want the Tennessee mess I could see him potemtially going to college station.
We don't want to get stuck with choice #9 during our coach search like another instate college was after going all in on Saban.
You might. Don't think that aggy is some special place. Its not. IMO, the coaches available at this time aren't all that impressive. I don't think a&m lands Fisher. He's going to use aggy to get a raise for himself, his assistants and to improve the facilities at FSU. Leverage is a powerful thing. Chad Morris is more aggy's type of candidate.
Active college national championship coaches: Saban, Meyer, Swinney, Jimbo and ...... I must be forgetting a lot of coaches, as anyone can win it all once. He is not great like Saban or Meyer but he is in the next larger group of 10 or so real good coaches.
One thing is certain. If Jimbo leaves for a&m (and I think its a mistake) the FSU job becomes the number one job opening in the country. It will be fun to watch who they bring to Tallahassee.
Oh, I don't know. Florida has been a dog that won't stay down, Miss St just made a great hire, Ole Miss is Ole Miss, Auburn is above Aggy, Arkansas can be a thorn, LSU will always be more premire, eventually Aggy will find a way to beat them and Bama is Bama as long as Saban is there. Saban just owned Jimbo in the opener by the way. The ACC is not a football conference other than a few contenders.
It's really not unless you're redass or invested in the culture. This is a money whip, nothing more. 70 million dollars. Jimbo is not coming to Aggieland because it is special.
My older brother is an '88 AG. lol
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