There is only one thing that will kill the Big 12.

[2300 Nueces]

More Texas hatred. If we were to regain the top spot in the B12 this year, would this be cause for OU taking the escape route with Fox and going to the B1G? I would hate to see it but Texas hatred was the cause of the demise of the SWC (rampant cheating). It was also the cause of teams leaving, see piggy, aggy, misery, and butt cob. I don't think Colorado left because of their envy of Texas. They fit well in pac12.

 

[okiehorn]

I saw a poster on Game at Lincoln as Nebraska was to play Ohio State. It read 'Tuck Fexas'

 

[FlourBluffHorn]

More Texas hatred. If we were to regain the top spot in the B12 this year, would this be cause for OU taking the escape route with Fox and going to the B1G? I would hate to see it but Texas hatred was the cause of the demise of the SWC (rampant cheating). It was also the cause of teams leaving, see piggy, aggy, misery, and butt cob. I don't think Colorado left because of their envy of Texas. They fit well in pac12.

They wasn't that much cheating in the SWC as there is now, plus they played FB to the best without all these rules which is killing FB, the SWC was more exciting and rivalry then the Big 12, we lost half of our traditions when they was changed by the guys in the Sear Sucker Polyester suits and the CarpetBaggers and Jackie couldn't cheat no more, cheating is what made it more fun, which they do the same today in backrooms at Hanks Trailer Park in Ardmore! Frank Broyles cheated more than Switzer but,they could never top Jackie!..lol

 

[2300 Nueces]

I saw a poster on Game at Lincoln as Nebraska was to play Ohio State. It read 'Tuck Fexas'

I saw that as well. The hate is real.

 

[FlourBluffHorn]

I saw that as well. The hate is real.

I remember when Texas went up there to them and beat them by a few points, all the crowd by the dressing room ramp stood up and was clapping for Texas, telling it was a good game

I miss all the sword fights with the Aggies to the Tortilla tossing and most of all I miss the Texas-Aggie game on Thanksgiving every year, everybody in Texas was eating Turkey and drinking beer and screaming in front of the TV, I remember when it all came down to Neb and OU, they was some good games back then, but the Sear Sucker suit guys killes it...

 

[Belldozer1]

More Texas hatred. If we were to regain the top spot in the B12 this year, would this be cause for OU taking the escape route with Fox and going to the B1G? I would hate to see it but Texas hatred was the cause of the demise of the SWC (rampant cheating). It was also the cause of teams leaving, see piggy, aggy, misery, and butt cob. I don't think Colorado left because of their envy of Texas. They fit well in pac12.

I think Riley will have to leave before Texas is considered the top in the Big 12. It may have some back and forth but Herman over Riley consistently won’t be happening imo. That’s not a knock on Herman either.

 

[q1w2e3]

I think Riley will have to leave before Texas is considered the top in the Big 12. It may have some back and forth but Herman over Riley consistently won’t be happening imo. That’s not a knock on Herman either.

LOL Herman is 1-2 versus Riley so far and damn near won all three games and that is with an out matched team in a rebuilding mode. If I was an OU fan I’d be worried that Riley, a) is already struggling with Texas now... imagine where you’ll be when the current recruiting classes kick in and the recruiting‘s not even at full throttle yet and , b) I’d be worried about how disastrous his defenses have been after getting handed the keys to the Kingdom. C). Kyler Murray’s don’t grow on trees so you sure can’t count on that every year

 

[2300 Nueces]

LOL Herman is 1-2 versus Riley so far and damn near won all three games and that is with an out matched team in a rebuilding mode. If I was an OU fan I’d be worried that Riley, a) is already struggling with Texas now... imagine where you’ll be when the current recruiting classes kick in and the recruiting‘s not even at full throttle yet and , b) I’d be worried about how disastrous his defenses have been after getting handed the keys to the Kingdom. C). Kyler Murray’s don’t grow on trees so you sure can’t count on that every year

OU fans are entitled. They are so eat up with winning the playoff that they are not even considering what is going on under their noses. They are going to have to get accustomed to not being on top every year. IMO once a team gets a taste of winning over Texas, they can't handle going back. Even swapping conference titles with Texas will send them to the B1G.

 

[westx]

I think Riley will have to leave before Texas is considered the top in the Big 12. It may have some back and forth but Herman over Riley consistently won’t be happening imo. That’s not a knock on Herman either.

I think it will be a back and forth "real" rivalry, where the RRS has national implications. To me, Riley has the advantage because he has a very good offensive mind and that is the identity of his program. All of the current rules in the NFL/NCAA favorably tilted toward the offense.

 

[2300 Nueces]

I think it will be a back and forth "real" rivalry, where the RRS has national implications. To me, Riley has the advantage because he has a very good offensive mind and that is the identity of his program. All of the current rules in the NFL/NCAA favorably tilted toward the offense.

The offensive advantage can be easily countered by allowing aggressive db coverage. The assumptions that all defense is rendered incapable of success against Riley's spread is silly. We have success all the time. We have the gold hat and were up in the CCG until the ghost pass interference calls saved OU.

Original Topic: What happens if Texas wins 3-4 B12 titles in a row? What if Texas wins a Nation Title or 2? OU, like teams in the past, has an escape route laid out before them. IMO, Fox is stoking the flames, and history tells us that OU will take the bait and bail the B12. I would caution OU fans on a Texas divorce. Do you really want to repeat the mistakes of piggy, gomer, butt cob, misery, and Colorado?

 

[Belldozer1]

LOL Herman is 1-2 versus Riley so far and damn near won all three games and that is with an out matched team in a rebuilding mode. If I was an OU fan I’d be worried that Riley, a) is already struggling with Texas now... imagine where you’ll be when the current recruiting classes kick in and the recruiting‘s not even at full throttle yet and , b) I’d be worried about how disastrous his defenses have been after getting handed the keys to the Kingdom. C). Kyler Murray’s don’t grow on trees so you sure can’t count on that every year

Riley struggled having the worst defense in CFB. That’s changing. How do you think OU would have done against Georgia and Bama with a Top 50 defense instead of a 100+.They’re calling Riley, the Nick Saban of offense. If anyone should be scared it should be who OU plays in the next couple of years. Our defense isn’t there yet but it’s improving. Riley’s offense with a stout defense will be considered illegal before it’s all said and done.

And speaking of rebuilding, I can see you’re cut from the perpetual rebuild cloth. Fans like you have been using that excuse since 2009. How about Riley, is he in the rebuilding mode on defense since he had basically the worst defense in CFB? Can I use that as an excuse of why OU doesn’t make the playoff? Don’t worry I still expect OU to play in the CCG rebuild or not

 

[Belldozer1]

I think it will be a back and forth "real" rivalry, where the RRS has national implications. To me, Riley has the advantage because he has a very good offensive mind and that is the identity of his program. All of the current rules in the NFL/NCAA favorably tilted toward the offense.

Agree

 

[Belldozer1]

The offensive advantage can be easily countered by allowing aggressive db coverage. The assumptions that all defense is rendered incapable of success against Riley's spread is silly. We have success all the time. We have the gold hat and were up in the CCG until the ghost pass interference calls saved OU.

Original Topic: What happens if Texas wins 3-4 B12 titles in a row? What if Texas wins a Nation Title or 2? OU, like teams in the past, has an escape route laid out before them. IMO, Fox is stoking the flames, and history tells us that OU will take the bait and bail the B12. I would caution OU fans on a Texas divorce. Do you really want to repeat the mistakes of piggy, gomer, butt cob, misery, and Colorado?

Hate to break this to you but the fans don’t make the decisions you are describing. If Texas were to win a couple of Big 12 titles why would it drive OU elsewhere? How many has OU won in a row? Did it drive Texas away? Your argument doesn’t make sense.

 

[westx]

The offensive advantage can be easily countered by allowing aggressive db coverage. The assumptions that all defense is rendered incapable of success against Riley's spread is silly. We have success all the time. We have the gold hat and were up in the CCG until the ghost pass interference calls saved OU.

How aggressive can you be when you get flagged for being aggressive. It used to be that a wr had to have balls to run across the middle, but now all these speedsters can do it without much fear. The DBs have to slow down to make a proper tackle and in many cases don't make the tackle at all because of a pre-tackle hesitation. I think we all remember the play below. There was 2:22 left to play in the 4th quarter. Texas up 36-23. Check out how our DB is trying to comply with rules and not get a late hit. He slows up as the QB seems to be going out of bounds (keep in mind we got flagged previously when the QB was on his way out of bounds).
Fastforward to the 2:06 mark of the clip

 

[2300 Nueces]

How aggressive can you be when you get flagged for being aggressive. It used to be that a wr had to have balls to run across the middle, but now all these speedsters can do it without much fear. The DBs have to slow down to make a proper tackle and in many cases don't make the tackle at all because of a pre-tackle hesitation. I think we all remember the play below. There was 2:22 left to play in the 4th quarter. Texas up 36-23. Check out how our DB is trying to comply with rules and not get a late hit. He slows up as the QB seems to be going out of bounds (keep in mind we got flagged previously when the QB was on his way out of bounds).
Fastforward to the 2:06 mark of the clip

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It'll be quietly allowed behind closed doors.

 

[2300 Nueces]

Hate to break this to you but the fans don’t make the decisions you are describing. If Texas were to win a couple of Big 12 titles why would it drive OU elsewhere? How many has OU won in a row? Did it drive Texas away? Your argument doesn’t make sense.

Why is Fox aggressively courting OU? It's not news that they are tied to the hip of the B1G. Fox has been bidding for any and all of the OU games this year and none of the Texas games. Coincidence?

 

[Belldozer1]

The offensive advantage can be easily countered by allowing aggressive db coverage. The assumptions that all defense is rendered incapable of success against Riley's spread is silly. We have success all the time. We have the gold hat and were up in the CCG until the ghost pass interference calls saved OU.

Original Topic: What happens if Texas wins 3-4 B12 titles in a row? What if Texas wins a Nation Title or 2? OU, like teams in the past, has an escape route laid out before them. IMO, Fox is stoking the flames, and history tells us that OU will take the bait and bail the B12. I would caution OU fans on a Texas divorce. Do you really want to repeat the mistakes of piggy, gomer, butt cob, misery, and Colorado?

Uh the back breaker corner blitz that jelly tits dialed up is what sealed the deal. I announced in here several times before that game that Texas fans had better pray to God that jelly tits defense didn’t rise up and what happened? Don’t forget your D handed Murray the heisman.

 

[Belldozer1]

Why is Fox aggressively courting OU? It's not news that they are tied to the hip of the B1G. Fox has been bidding for any and all of the OU games this year and none of the Texas games. Coincidence?

What do the fans have to do with that?

 

[q1w2e3]

Riley struggled having the worst defense in CFB. That’s changing. How do you think OU would have done against Georgia and Bama with a Top 50 defense instead of a 100+.They’re calling Riley, the Nick Saban of offense. If anyone should be scared it should be who OU plays in the next couple of years. Our defense isn’t there yet but it’s improving. Riley’s offense with a stout defense will be considered illegal before it’s all said and done.

And speaking of rebuilding, I can see you’re cut from the perpetual rebuild cloth. Fans like you have been using that excuse since 2009. How about Riley, is he in the rebuilding mode on defense since he had basically the worst defense in CFB? Can I use that as an excuse of why OU doesn’t make the playoff? Don’t worry I still expect OU to play in the CCG rebuild or not

Texas just came out of its worst stretch in the entire history of its program including three straight losing seasons and went through three different head coaches in a span of three years. That’s not an excuse that’s a fact.

OU’s defense IS Riley‘s fault. He created that. The same staff and talent level didn’t have that issue until he took over the reins.

It’s yet to be seen if Riley’s systems and program is conducive to a top defense year in year out and it’s also yet to be seen what his offenses will be like year in year out without number one draft picks at quarterback. That just isn’t going to happen every year that’s an anomaly.

 

[westx]

It'll be quietly allowed behind closed doors.

Just for clarification, you had mentioned that "It is silly to think that our defense would be rendered incapable of success". I am not saying that at all because I know we will have some good wins, all I am saying is that there is an advantage to the offense. Here are some other examples:

-defensive linemen putting there hands up as the QB throws the ball-if there is incidental contact as the lineman's arms come down, penalty because blow to the head.

-how many times have we seen a QB slide right before the defensive player where the defensive player's momentum carries him through the tackle-another penalty

 

[Belldozer1]

Texas just came out of its worst stretch in the entire history of its program including three straight losing seasons and went through three different head coaches in a span of three years. That’s not an excuse that’s a fact.

OU’s defense IS Riley‘s fault. He created that. The same staff and talent level didn’t have that issue until he took over the reins.

It’s yet to be seen if Riley’s systems and program is conducive to a top defense year in year out and it’s also yet to be seen what his offenses will be like year in year out without number one draft picks at quarterback. That just isn’t going to happen every year that’s an anomaly.

Your second paragraph is proof positive you just started watching CFB last year. Yeah Riley inherited a stout defense and let it go to waste No I’m just not much on excuse making. Riley makes 5 mil a year, I expect CCG’s and playoffs right now how about you excuse maker?

Riley coaching 2 qbs to a heisman and 1st rd pick with a potential 3rd in the works isn’t a coincidence or anomaly, it’s damn near becoming a trend.

 

[2300 Nueces]

Uh the back breaker corner blitz that jelly tits dialed up is what sealed the deal. I announced in here several times before that game that Texas fans had better pray to God that jelly tits defense didn’t rise up and what happened? Don’t forget your D handed Murray the heisman.

You're sliding off topic. The pi calls began way before the safety.

 

[2300 Nueces]

Just for clarification, you had mentioned that "It is silly to think that our defense would be rendered incapable of success". I am not saying that at all because I know we will have some good wins, all I am saying is that there is an advantage to the offense. Here are some other examples:

-defensive linemen putting there hands up as the QB throws the ball-if there is incidental contact as the lineman's arms come down, penalty because blow to the head.

-how many times have we seen a QB slide right before the defensive player where the defensive player's momentum carries him through the tackle-another penalty

Sure, but just like in MLB when baseballs are made tighter and looser, officials can be encouraged to allow aggressive db play to counter out of control scoring.

 

[Belldozer1]

You're sliding off topic. The pi calls began way before the safety.

I know, it was a conspiracy right? Only happens to Texas Come on dude. That was the 100+ rated defense you were playing against, it shouldn’t have even been close

 

[2300 Nueces]

What happens with the ESPN/FOX split when the GOR expires? Can anyone understand that a rift is being created purposefully? Texas is fine with the current circumstances, except for losing. Everyone else in the B12, outside of OU, has no choice. Apparently the B1G is courting OU through FOX and TV money. Texas does not want anything to do with the B1G. It's not where Texas wants to be even though the B1G want Texas.

I don't want OU going anywhere. I like playing OU. I liked playing aggy and piggy every year. That's all I am saying. I see outside influences breaking up our conference and no one is benefiting except the other conferences.

 

[Belldozer1]

I think everyone realizes it’s in the best interest for OU and Texas to stick together imo

 

[2300 Nueces]

I think everyone realizes it’s in the best interest for OU and Texas to stick together imo

Pay attention, it's going to become an issue down the road. Yes, it was probably started by Dodds and ESPN creating the LHN. At this point, Fox and the B1G see the opportunity and if OU loses some games to Texas, watch the flames get stoked, just sayin.

 

[Belldozer1]

Pay attention, it's going to become an issue down the road. Yes, it was probably started by Dodds and ESPN creating the LHN. At this point, Fox and the B1G see the opportunity and if OU loses some games to Texas, watch the flames get stoked, just sayin.

I’m just saying I think the powers that be within OU’ organization understand the OU/TX rivalry and realize there damn well may be a revolt if that were to go away.

If OU was to go elsewhere, i’ll Continue posting here, so you’ll have that going in your favor still.

 

[q1w2e3]

Your second paragraph is proof positive you just started watching CFB last year. Yeah Riley inherited a stout defense and let it go to waste No I’m just not much on excuse making. Riley makes 5 mil a year, I expect CCG’s and playoffs right now how about you excuse maker?

Riley coaching 2 qbs to a heisman and 1st rd pick with a potential 3rd in the works isn’t a coincidence or anomaly, it’s damn near becoming a trend.

Did Bob and Mike stoops ever have the worst defense in the big 12?

Did Lincoln Riley inherit a program that had just come off three losing seasons in a row and was taking over for a fired coach or did he inherit a program that just went to the playoffs?

....of course Riley has no excuses

 

[2300 Nueces]

I’m just saying I think the powers that be within OU’ organization understand the OU/TX rivalry and realize there damn well may be a revolt if that were to go away.

If OU was to go elsewhere, i’ll Continue posting here, so you’ll have that going in your favor still.

 

[Belldozer1]

Did Bob and Mike stoops ever have the worst defense in the big 12?

Did Lincoln Riley inherit a program that had just come off three losing seasons in a row and was taking over for a fired coach or did he inherit a program that just went to the playoffs?

....of course Riley has no excuses

Dude Riley fired Mike Stoops because of our crappy defense. I’m sure one if the conditions of him getting the job was to keep Mike around. I have a feeling Riley realized there was a problem but out of respect handled it with kids gloves as long as he could.
I don’t think you’ll find one person on here agreeing with your position that Riley took over a good or even decent defense. We’ve been bad for years

 

[Okie70]

Don't see much appetite from OU fans re: a conference move. For all the money they are raking in Nebraska and Texas A&M are not exactly lighting up their new conferences. Big 12 doing just fine as far as I am concerned. Good long time rivalries, plenty of access to Texas high school recruiting and Sooners could not ask for a more favorable landscape. Beat Texas and virtually assured of getting to Conf Championship Game.

 

[dj701919]

Riley struggled having the worst defense in CFB. That’s changing. How do you think OU would have done against Georgia and Bama with a Top 50 defense instead of a 100+.They’re calling Riley, the Nick Saban of offense. If anyone should be scared it should be who OU plays in the next couple of years. Our defense isn’t there yet but it’s improving. Riley’s offense with a stout defense will be considered illegal before it’s all said and done.

And speaking of rebuilding, I can see you’re cut from the perpetual rebuild cloth. Fans like you have been using that excuse since 2009. How about Riley, is he in the rebuilding mode on defense since he had basically the worst defense in CFB? Can I use that as an excuse of why OU doesn’t make the playoff? Don’t worry I still expect OU to play in the CCG rebuild or not

Who the fvck is they? RJ Young?

Lincoln Riley inherited a program that went 11-2 the year before he took over and finished #5 in the AP. Texas didn't win 11 games in the 2 seasons prior to
Tom Herman's arrival combined.

The fact is that your team is going to roll into Dallas on the 12th without having played a single quality opponent all year. I can't wait to see the response when someone hits back.

 

[outhereincali]

Who the fvck is they? RJ Young?

Lincoln Riley inherited a program that went 11-2 the year before he took over and finished #5 in the AP. Texas didn't win 11 games in the 2 seasons prior to
Tom Herman's arrival combined.

The fact is that your team is going to roll into Dallas on the 12th without having played a single quality opponent all year. I can't wait to see the response when someone hits back.

RJ Young. I was wondering how many horns had ever of him besides me. On occasion he's has some good observations a lot of times he makes me laugh. But he does seem like an interesting guy. I want to read his book "let it bang" one day.

 

[GuaranteedFresh!]

Don't see much appetite from OU fans re: a conference move. For all the money they are raking in Nebraska and Texas A&M are not exactly lighting up their new conferences. Big 12 doing just fine as far as I am concerned. Good long time rivalries, plenty of access to Texas high school recruiting and Sooners could not ask for a more favorable landscape. Beat Texas and virtually assured of getting to Conf Championship Game.

Yep, you nailed down the exact reason we are both still holding the b12 flag.
I enjoy good rivalry games more than post season landing. Tradition means a lot more to me than most though.