I love her and her fiery temper. Of course, if I was on the other side, her antics would make her public enemy no. 1.
This Just Got Real
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Someone can be passionate and fiery without being so low-class and showing such consistently piss-poor sportsmanship.
There was the time that she wasn't happy with the media's all-Big 12 tournament team voting and not only called out members of the media during the press conference but specifically called out an OU player by name, saying that she didn't deserve to be on the first team. There was also the time that Baylor won on a last-second shot at OSU on senior night and in the OSU head coach's last game after nearly 20 years where Mulkey ran out and danced on OSU's court instead of lining up for handshakes.
I could go on all night with other examples.
No doubt she wins. She just looks like a sorry human being doing it.
Let's reserve "sorry human being" monikers for actual sorry human beings, and not someone who trash talks. I know that despite this board being a zoo of name calling and trash talking, it really upsets our sensibilities when someone stoops to that level, but clearly there are more deserving crimes that deserve that moniker.
I think she's more than deserving. "Sorry human being" is a very capacious term. Not everyone has to be Pol Pot.
All I look for is consistency, and BBR is remarkably consistent. To be honest, when you called out Mulkey I feared something much worse.
I didn't know about the the OSU thing is one thing.
But gee whiz BBR, I can't be mad at anyone who calls out a sooner for being overrated regardless of the circumstances
Because BU clearly prefers secrecy over anything else. They'd rather pay $$$ than let the truth out.
And why is Baylor so diligently secretive?
Here's my theory. (It's just a theory; I'm not claiming this is 100% Gospel.)
Baptists are a proud, proud, arrogant lot. They're convinced that their version of Baptist is the one, true, best denomination. Mama couldn't have been wrong. They deeply desire to appear more Biblical and theologically-correct than the Catholics, the Disciples of Christ (TCU), Episcopalians, independent Evangelicals, Lutherans, Methodists, Pentecostals, Presbyterians, and the other types of Baptists. Of course. More than most denominations (but not all), the Baptists crave the delusion that they're being truer to Jesus than any others.
Naturally, the Bears alumni are pretty upset at Baylor University right now, for making their alma mater looks worse than other religious schools, run by non-Baptists. The worst part of it, though, is BU being lower and uglier than secular UT-Austin! Worse than UT??? Say it ain't so! Seriously... say "it ain't so"!
Those Bears who know where the bodies are can't reveal it. It'd be too shameful, and would show how far off the mark they've been, in valuing sports success over everything else (yet again).
And it's not just their priorities that have been out of wack. So is their perception of reality. Any suggestion that shining Baylor U. helped cover up terrible crimes and dissuade victims from reporting -- well, that must just be the work of the Devil, in trying to confuse all the good guys! THAT can't be true, can it?!
So it's no surprise that Bears supporters created the rumor that ESPN and the Longhorns are secretly behind this plot to get Baylor. Disney and the secularists... out to get God's chosen people, yet again.
With all the delusion, and delusion backed by big money, those Bears who are sane and taking responsibility can't go too far. If they do, they lose the support of the green horde. So, anyone with damaging info HAS to keep it under wraps.
They're afraid to look bad, and as a result, they look worse than bad. Diadevic excepted, of course.
Again, it's just a theory.
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HornsruleU, I can believe much of that. I come from a mixed religion family, one Catholic parent, one Baptist parent- so I got to see both sides of both religions growing up. Baylor is full of proud Baptists and for decades, they had a reason to be. Good education, good law school, expensive place to go, the student parking lots looked better than most BMW and Mercedes dealerships. There were beautiful, I mean BEAUTIFUL girls that went to school there--- come on, before you knock that statement, ALL of you that went to UT know that we looked forward to seeing some of the eye candy that rolled in from Waco every year the first week of november-- PLUS you knew they'd be rolling into town in their new 5 series or SL. And now, there's just this funk, this haze, over everything. We've got a few more years of this before all the court cases are settled as well. This is going to drag on, and on, and on, and on.
Ha - I defended Briles even after the bitter end! Actually - I don't think you are too far off, EXCEPT: (a) alleging it's UT's fault - you will get that from every fan base - from Nebraska leaving, to ATM leaving, to SWC breakup, and it will happen again when you are the biggest dog on the street. I wouldn't say there is a big movement among BU leadership making this allegation. (b) Everybody alum I've spoken to and everything I've read - if you are truly a good Baptist, you CONFESS AND REPENT. Come clean with all details, and only then can we get our act together. Until then, there are those that will say BOR overreacted, the Administration was at fault for not having processes in place (and point to the PH report for this), etc. We have more than our share of infighting when times are good. Give us a good controversy and we will (and are) imploding.
Rumor is that the off campus Pepper Hamilton presentation the other evening was to Briles' attorney a few hours before the settlement. With how fast the settlement was reached I have to think once that attorney saw the evidence for the other side he told Briles to accept Baylor's offer and move on.
I am guess that that pepper hamilton report is so bad that baylor doesn't want it to see the light of day. I doubt any of the lawsuits that baylor is facing will see a court room.
Bingo! Briles had his lawyer buffaloed. Then the lawyer sat down with the PH lawyers and they had a "come to Jesus" meeting. Lawyer told Briles that he would be cooked if it all came out.
Only thing is, if we're smart enough to figure this out- so are the victims lawyers. Sooner or later that report is coming out.
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Not so sure. Attorney-client privilege; attorney work-product.
Briles was pushing to have his Baylor attorneys released and was refusing to settle the title IX lawsuit. The information that was used to fire him would have become public in a wrongful termination lawsuit.
Listen Art Briles needs to accept the terms of his buyout and go home. It would be foolish and arrogant to go public with this he will come out worse. We all know that Baylor is a religious school and according to their pr people Briles attends church regularly. If he's that religious than he needs to put his wife and children ahead of this lawsuit nonsense.
Briles uses rape victim as leverage in wrongful termination suite
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_...rt-briles-reneging-deal-apologize-rape-victim
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_...rt-briles-reneging-deal-apologize-rape-victim
As I see it, neither point runs counter to anything in my post... or anything I believe, for that matter. You're just adding information.
The only thing I couldn't have written, besides defending Briles, is your "big movement among BU leadership" statement. I'm flabbergasted by it. In my view, it would be beyond pathetic if even a single Baylor regent were to do this. That is, if a regent were to point to Austin, in a desperate and obvious attempt to distract from Baylor's mess. A mess that is not entirely subsiding, I might add. But that's what you implied, that some of the leadership at BU is doing just that. Incredible. As a believer, maybe I put them on a pedestal?
I'm not entirely ready to crucify Briles, though. I'm not willing to believe he's such a one-sided character, despite rumors about underhandedness. He does seem guilty of putting his own success ahead of victims. Under the huge umbrella of "giving people second chances," he just happened to benefit, while rape victims got screwed over, repeatedly.
The worst thing about this, IMO, isn't Briles getting money, as evil as that is. It's that Baylor-town isn't learning the lessons here. BU continues to use secrecy to hide the guilty and the depth of their wrongdoing, and their fans want it to blow over and get Briles back. It's like PSU, all over.
The lawsuits will bring some things to light, unless BU manages to settle, and seclude into secrecy yet again.
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it was in Briles' best interest to settle for less. PH showed him the damaging info and Briles knew if it ever became public, he'd never get another job anywhere. Settle, let things calm down then in 1-2 years, try for another role.
I think the storm has passed in Waco and the aftermath is beginning in Waco. We all know it's going to last for a few years. So now I look back at the Briles era at Baylor. With the retirement of Steve Spurrier, Art Biles was ready to take his place as the best offensive mind in college fb. After RG III won his Heisman, their offensive recruiting kept improving to the point where this year they were going to have 4 and even some 5* talent across the board. But only on offense. However, Andrew Billings made AA last year showing that they could recruit a legit 4* on defense and raise his game to AA level because of that they had their best year in defensive recruiting in the Briles era. They finished in the top 20 in recruiting something they've never done before.
But there was a drawback to their play on the field. While their offense was elite, the defense was average. I've been following college fb in Texas for a long time and their dc Phil Bennett has been a sorry coordinator everywhere he's went. Since he's been there, Baylor has been in the bottom 5 in penalties the last 5 years mostly because of their defense. I will take Vance Bedford over Bennett 7 days a week and twice on gameday. There were just two many basketball scores in Baylor games. To be fair today's rules are to blame for some of that. Their kicking game was average at best their kickoff guy left the team because he felt the coaches wouldn't let him kick it to the end zone. Those two things led to their losing to Michigan State in the Cotton Bowl a couple of years ago.
They were set to have the most talent ever on their team this year. But Art Briles and others refused to kick off about a dozen ***holes on his team. He didn't kick them off they were just suspended until the court case was settled. We know he should have just kicked them off period. Let them go play at some Div 2 school, the price you play for p***ing away your scholarship. In the case of Devin Chafin he was going to play despite countless charges against him since he's been there. It's kind of like Joe Mixon in the sense that his team didn't even need him anyway. But most coaches think winning is worth anything and in Art Briles case he went to far. If he had just gotten rid of these kids this would have never happened. You know the biggest reason why those holdouts want to be released? Every recruit goes to the school of their choice because of the hc. And these parents have felt betrayed by Art Briles. I heard that Baylor players past and present are working diligently to get those kids to stay at Baylor but if they even keep two they'll be fortunate.
All of this is proof positive that despite his great mind for offense Art Briles couldn't be bothered about anything else. Ive noticed that on their boards that there are Baylor fans, some of them former players who were frustrated by this. Art Briles and RG III had saved Baylor fb. And whether we wanted to admit or not Baylor was close to making the playoffs the last two years and their chances of cracking it were improving every year. But it will not be and deep down Art Briles knows he has only himself to blame for all of this.
But there was a drawback to their play on the field. While their offense was elite, the defense was average. I've been following college fb in Texas for a long time and their dc Phil Bennett has been a sorry coordinator everywhere he's went. Since he's been there, Baylor has been in the bottom 5 in penalties the last 5 years mostly because of their defense. I will take Vance Bedford over Bennett 7 days a week and twice on gameday. There were just two many basketball scores in Baylor games. To be fair today's rules are to blame for some of that. Their kicking game was average at best their kickoff guy left the team because he felt the coaches wouldn't let him kick it to the end zone. Those two things led to their losing to Michigan State in the Cotton Bowl a couple of years ago.
They were set to have the most talent ever on their team this year. But Art Briles and others refused to kick off about a dozen ***holes on his team. He didn't kick them off they were just suspended until the court case was settled. We know he should have just kicked them off period. Let them go play at some Div 2 school, the price you play for p***ing away your scholarship. In the case of Devin Chafin he was going to play despite countless charges against him since he's been there. It's kind of like Joe Mixon in the sense that his team didn't even need him anyway. But most coaches think winning is worth anything and in Art Briles case he went to far. If he had just gotten rid of these kids this would have never happened. You know the biggest reason why those holdouts want to be released? Every recruit goes to the school of their choice because of the hc. And these parents have felt betrayed by Art Briles. I heard that Baylor players past and present are working diligently to get those kids to stay at Baylor but if they even keep two they'll be fortunate.
All of this is proof positive that despite his great mind for offense Art Briles couldn't be bothered about anything else. Ive noticed that on their boards that there are Baylor fans, some of them former players who were frustrated by this. Art Briles and RG III had saved Baylor fb. And whether we wanted to admit or not Baylor was close to making the playoffs the last two years and their chances of cracking it were improving every year. But it will not be and deep down Art Briles knows he has only himself to blame for all of this.
Pretty strong/fair summary. One question I have with respect to an inconsistency in Briles's past - he didn't suspend Elliott or Oakman or others for real and alleged assaults, but he booted Josh Gordon (the dope smoker who for one year was the best receiver in the NFL) and Robbie Rhodes (the highest rated receiver coming out of high school), both for smoking dope. Not to minimize the transgression, but smoking pot? In this day and age that is like jaywalking. And yet he took no disciplinary action for the rapes/assaults. Why boot those two while turning a blind eye to the other, clearly more serious, crimes?
If they got popped by the NCAA drug testers there is no way to keep it quiet.
Gordon wasn't his decision. You can verify that on the Baylor boards. It's well known that the president or AD booted Gordon against Briles wishes. Not sure about Rhodes, it may have been an NCAA thing. There is no covering up failed NCAA drug tests.
Big 12 to release a statement on Baylor tomorrow: http://www.burntorangenation.com/2016/6/21/11997218/big-12-conference-statement-baylor-scandal
Boren's calling for transparency. You cannot make this sh*t up: "How do you express approval or disapproval until you get the facts? Other than the media reports. You can’t evaluate all the facts just from media facts. Let’s put it this way. Give us the full facts to make sure we’re getting accurate information."
Tomorrow's statement will be really f*cking rich coming from this SOB. "Baylor has to understand: You can throw 'em down the stairs. You can cave in their faces. But, for heaven's sake, you can't rape 'em."
Boren's calling for transparency. You cannot make this sh*t up: "How do you express approval or disapproval until you get the facts? Other than the media reports. You can’t evaluate all the facts just from media facts. Let’s put it this way. Give us the full facts to make sure we’re getting accurate information."
Tomorrow's statement will be really f*cking rich coming from this SOB. "Baylor has to understand: You can throw 'em down the stairs. You can cave in their faces. But, for heaven's sake, you can't rape 'em."
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The University of Oklahoma has no right at all taking about another schools way of handling domestic violence related crimes as it relates to fb players. And for people like me who are old enough to remember him there were countless cases like this during the Barry Switzer era.
I wonder if by kicking off two guys for smoking dope, which lots of people knew about, it was Briles way of saying "hey look I'm being a disciplinarian". Don't have a clue, but wonder if it was to pull the wool over eyes.
Christ on a cracker. Where's the Mixon tape, Boren? Transparency and all. Your starting RB is a girl beater. Maybe shut your gay mouth on this topic.
I'm sure the Big XII could've found a more hypocritical, more ridiculous spokesperson on this topic but I'm not sure how. Maybe $witzer.
Where's the Mixon tape, Boren? Transparency and all. Your starting RB is a girl beater. Maybe shut your gay mouth on this topic.I'm sure the Big XII could've found a more hypocritical, more ridiculous spokesperson on this topic but I'm not sure how. Maybe $witzer.
Hillary is pretty hypocritical, maybe you'd support her in this role too?Christ on a cracker.
I'm sure the Big XII could've found a more hypocritical, more ridiculous spokesperson on this topic but I'm not sure how. Maybe $witzer.
