Yep. Tom Herman, and Charlie Strongs problem for that matter was that they weren’t very good head coaches it’s that simple. Has nothing to do with “instant creditability” or putting guys in the nfl or any of that horse shit. They just aren’t very good head coaches. In Herman’s case I think it was just too much to soon. I think if he had 5 years under his belt at Houston things would be going much differently
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Did you watch the games? Vince Young improvised on 2/3rds of the plays. So when people say that Vince Young saved Mack Brown, they are stating that Vince Young would take broken plays and move the team forward. Vince did what Chance Mock couldn't, he made something out of GDs piss poor play calls.
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So... I'm not sure who you would've gone after post-Charlie besides Herman, who was the consensus best coach available at the time (LSU sure would've agreed). But, ok.
However, if you're arguing that a coach whose major accomplishment(s) in 4 1/2 years at his current stint (Fuente/Va Tech) is/are: a 10-4 season, a Belk Bowl title and a #16 ranking (all in 2016, btw) is superior to Mack coming out of UNC (w/consecutive 10-win seasons and a #7 ranking) or a rested and ready Urban Meyer coming out of the Fox Sports studio w/his .854 win percentage over 17 years, 3 NCs at two different programs, and 5 first round picks in 2016 alone, then so be it.
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At the time the two “hot” names around that time were Herman and PJ Fleck. I was on recored at the time that if those were my choices I’d go with Fleck simply because he had more experience under his belt and took a program from 1 win his first year to an undefeated season.
but the larger point was we were basically courting Herman for most of his two years at Houston didn’t really consider strongly anyone else. Like if Herman had went to LSU instead of Texas we didn’t have much of a plan B to speak of from the sounds of things
Forget not, Dodds was one more mediocre football hire away from losing his job.
You were on record? Where? You weren't a poster on this board, when TH was hired. Unless you use to post with a different account.
Anyone who would even consider hiring Justin Fuente over Urban Meyer (assuming that both are available and want to come to Texas) has no football IQ. There is no comparison.
I didn’t say to hire Fuente over Urban. You obviously hire Urban if he is willing to take the job. Since that isn’t a certainty at this point. Discussing plan B’s isn’t a bad idea. If Urban Meyer takes the job though you gotta bring someone with him with the idea of that person being his replacement.
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If anyone saw the Alabama/GA game, then you saw the level of talent all over the field. Our OL would be demolished by the front 7 of both teams. This program is not in a position for a high-risk high-return decision. Strike out and we’re doomed to mediocrity for another 5-10 years. UM or bust.
A plan B would be nice but everyone in the universe knows that Urban is the only way the BMDs come out of the woodwork and pony up for the buyout of TH. UM would build UT into a juggernaut. He would instantly be the best coach we ever had, including DKR. UM would have a chance at winning a NC in his 3rd league of play, no one has ever done that. The guy is elite, it’s a home run hire. I listened to the Chip Brown podcast with the guy who’s covered OSU for the last 30 years, he apparently believes UM is a pretty decent family man. Yes, he screwed up the Zach Smith deal but there were reasons behind the loyalty to Zach (it doesn’t make domestic violence ok, of course not). But there were some very strong ties to Zach’s grandfather who gave UM his first job, etc....things have changed and we need to snag UM now. I fully believe it’s already in the works. Just a hunch, from everything I’ve read the last few days. Mensa Tom go bye-bye!!
I don’t think Urban is the only way the BMD’s pony up to buy Herman out. I think CDC has a card he can play if it comes to that if he needs it.
the Zack Smith deal really doesn’t bother me. Yes Urban screwed they up big time and probably should of been fired. But I don’t think it’s disqualifying from ever coaching again.
My only hesitation if you want to call it that with Urban is he’s a bit of a drama queen. I think we have to at least prepare ourselves for the possibility that he likes being connected to the Texas job, but isn’t planning to actually coach.
If he does come here we have to know that those “ health issues” can creep up at any time whenever he gets bored, or things get rough. I don’t know if those health issues are real or not but from an outsider view they seem to rear their head when things get rough and clear up when he finds a job he wants. That’s why if I were CDC I’d have a succession plan in place, or at least have a target in my mind should he leave because it could happen at any time. I don’t have any kind of moral objection to him coaching here. But I think being clear eyed about what it means is something we all need to be.
If the kind of success that Mack had before VY is what you want, then there are many many coaches who can take us there....
Dude.......you're getting me excited. I promised if we tanked this year I wouldn't get excited..........now I'm like a 14 year old boy watching scrambled porn in the 90's while his parents are asleep...............I'm excited.........
Compared to where Texas had been prior to Mack’s arrival the success he brought pre VY and Colt was a significant improvement. I mean Mackovic had went 8-5 and 4-7 his last two years. So Mack coming in winning 9 games 3 years in a row and then back to back 11 win seasons was a significant improvement based off of where they were.
Yeah, I don't remember too many folks getting on the firemackbrown nonsense until 2003. Another complete ass whipping at the hands of OU and Stoops, coupled with another Holiday Bowl appearance and loss, the people were not happy. Also, if I remember correctly, people were super pissed when Mack took that penalty instead of forcing a 4th and long because he wanted even better field position. Well Matt Jones did his thing and momentum was lost. Losing to Arkie 2x ('00 Cotton), and then OU for the 4th straight time had Mack's seat steaming.
Herman needs time to get "his players" even though Strong said on the way out the door that he was leaving the cupboard fully stocked for the next coach.
Year 4.......that’s plenty of time. The issue is that he has shown no ability to develop or coach those players.
Agree I'm just trying to get him to stay. Herman is probably a better coordinator than a HC? Hard to say but it seems like he did better at a smaller school where he could surprise some teams like Oklahoma et al once a year but Texas has kept the loses close so it's not like yall are getting blown out, so who knows
At this point, if it takes Texas losing out to get rid of Herman, I'm good with it. It's Meyer or bust.
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i think Herman got too much too soon. He was pretty much out of Houston after that 2nd season and everyone knew it before the season started. So he had one season really has a HC, and just wasn’t ready or mature enough to handle the challenge of bigger job. I think if he had 3-4 years under his belt before coming to Texas I think he would of faired much better. There are a lot of guys I would put in that category though. Some guys get out on a fast track and they just aren’t ready for it.
And the days of incentive laden contracts are a thing of the past. You go from a small school to 5 million plus a year. Dang, that's 90% of the motivating factor to win games if you aren't named Nick Saban
Super k from tfb is reporting that while Herman still has a chance to turn the season around there has been back channel contact between BMD's and Meyer.
Tommy is not going 8-2, getting into the b12 champuonship, and then winning it. No way.
Tommy is not going 8-2, getting into the b12 champuonship, and then winning it. No way.
Actually it’s not a motivator to win. You get 5 million per for 4-5 seasons. If you win they are going to give you more money. If you don’t win they can you and you still get 20-25 million
What I mean is it should be a motivator, carrot on a stick but hell no, here's 5 million a year, hope you don't get fat, lazy and happy, usually they do. They lose that burning desire to overachieve
It's really not a good business model but it's great for the coaches. Corporate america does the same thing for execs. When the junk bond market is regulated again, much of this will go away.
