Oh, I definitely don't believe it's easy to pull people to Texas right now just because...
Why keep Coleman???
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Well we can bookmark this thread for 12 months from now when Sark is attempting to rectify his 1st coaching staff mistake.
Can’t believe we’re keeping this guy; he was a “meh” hire 11 months ago when Herman was inviting coaches to board the titanic. Now... jeez this is disappointing.
Can’t believe we’re keeping this guy; he was a “meh” hire 11 months ago when Herman was inviting coaches to board the titanic. Now... jeez this is disappointing.
it appears we're keeping him because Saban is starting to smack Sark around on the hiring of his staff....interesting that now the two guys that Saban seems to have fought back on were the guys we were counting to counter Bama's recruiting in Texas..... kind of sucks
"Andre Coleman continues his run as Kansas State’s best recruiter, plus other spring football notes, and tid bits from the world of college basketball, tennis, and that sport we do not discuss.
Kansas State could have a new QB commit. Two weeks ago the Wildcats offered Chris Herron, a three star dual QB from Houston, TX. The Wildcat appear to be in the mix thanks to new offensive coordinator and recruiting stud, Andre Coleman. Herron is also being recruited heavily by Indiana so we could have a small recruiting battle on our hands. (Nick Krueger, Rivals.com)"
Article on KSU Recruiting
It may just be a one off article, but the writer on that fan site thought highly of him.
He's going after them and that's the best you can do. If a coach says "No", how can you fault the HC? Realistically you can't money whip everybody.
Well your new head coach loves him
Andre and I have a unique connection,” Sarkisian said. “I talked to him a couple different times the last few years when I was in Atlanta and in Alabama. I love his confidence, but also love his humbleness. I think he's got a great relationship with these kids.”
Again, I thought the big sell for Sark was that he was very well connected and would have a lot of people wanting to join him in Austin. Isn't that what we were told?
I'm not here to defend Coleman. I'm mostly just curious. Asking because I don't know these things for certain.
Was Tom, and Tom losing, the reason WR's didn't want to come to Texas this season or was it Coleman?
As for development... I saw about 10 receivers making plays this season. I saw one come in as a transfer and make plays. I saw a walk-on make plays. I saw Josh Moore develop, I saw Whittington get in on the action, I saw Kelvontay come in and make plays.
Omiere was supposed to be the ringer lighting things up in camp, then he blew his knee out.
Yes, we didn't see much improvement from Eagles. But that doesn't shock me at all and I'm not certain I'd pin that on a coach. In fact, I doubt it. Think his baggage was well known prior to Coleman showing up.
Jake Smith didn't bloom, and that's disturbing. But again, is that all on Coleman - other factors at play?
Was Tom, and Tom losing, the reason WR's didn't want to come to Texas this season or was it Coleman?
As for development... I saw about 10 receivers making plays this season. I saw one come in as a transfer and make plays. I saw a walk-on make plays. I saw Josh Moore develop, I saw Whittington get in on the action, I saw Kelvontay come in and make plays.
Omiere was supposed to be the ringer lighting things up in camp, then he blew his knee out.
Yes, we didn't see much improvement from Eagles. But that doesn't shock me at all and I'm not certain I'd pin that on a coach. In fact, I doubt it. Think his baggage was well known prior to Coleman showing up.
Jake Smith didn't bloom, and that's disturbing. But again, is that all on Coleman - other factors at play?
forgive me. I have never read bringonthecats.com. The bottom line remains that he's never won a major college recruiting battle for a nationally elite prospect.
Coleman is an excellent college football coach. He's not a nationally elite recruiter.
I think it will be much more fun if we bump this after Coleman lands some 4/5 star players.
What else is he going to say? “This was like our third option, honestly. He’s good but, not who I really wanted.”
It’s a disappointment for sure. No stud recruiters yet, and the staff is filling out.
He is the WR coach 2021 per Sark, not support staff...
So sick of the "All Star Staff" BS spewed by morons on OB. There is no such thing.
But neither were Wiggins, Simmons or Colbert when they were hired at their schools. 🤷🏼♂️
And we do not even know what Colman's role will be yet. But hey lets all meltdown.
I think that’s true of just about every staff including Saban’s initial staff.
He hired Major as his OC in year one and basically demoted him mid season.
It’s fans who delude ourselves into thinking we’re getting this all-star staff.
Mack’s initial staff had excellent coaches and recruiters and weak ones.
So from that quote we know:
- AC and SS have spoken before
- AC is confident but also humble
- SS “thinks” he’s got a great relationship w/ the players
Not exactly a ringing endorsements. If that’s all you can conjur up about a key piece of your staff it basically tells you everything you need to know.
“I couldn’t get anybody better so we’ll kee this spare around for a year until I can replace him with somebody serviceable”
Lol “Coleman” won’t do shit...if any quality WRs come in the 2022 cycle it will be bEva use of the hype/momentum Sark brings. Coleman can drive the car and get sandwiches on the recruiting visits.
If he’s an analyst, fantastic. If the reports are he’s a WR coach, it’s a disaster.
I have been positive about all other hires but there’s no way around this one.
This. When the language is vague enough to open multiple interpretations AND there is nothing signed/final/confirmed/official, I am going to wait.
If Coleman was 100% locked in to be the WR coach in 2021, then the school should have already been able to release a statement confirming that, in no unclear language. Instead, we're relying on an interview where Sark made a non-binding statement about Coleman staying with the WRs.
Yes, it's entirely possible that he does return as the WRs coach, but as of now, that is premature.
I feel like people need to chill out with the exaggerations. A complete disaster? No, hiring a guy who sabotaged your relationship with your WRs is a complete disaster. A guy who is not a stud recruiter but helped turn a WR room around (people seem to be forgetting about the mess we were in with Mehringer) and generally got production from guys who didn't produce in the past? We could do worse. We could certainly do better, but "complete disaster" is a bit... dramatic.
I would argue that every position on the staff "should" be different makers. I think we're bound to see a bad hire, but we're also bound to see Sark gamble on a guy that works out. I think this is a hire that has a high probability of not working out - but maybe it does. And I think there might be some weight being given to his ability to provide continuity given the staff shake-up, the fact that the WR room actually looks pretty good right now if no one leaves, and the fact that we're still likely going to be dealing with COVID this offseason.
Another overly dramatic post. Chill man - the sky isn't falling yet.
Also, I wouldn't be so sure that the WR personnel decisions were Coleman's - I would be willing to wager that Herman kept a lot of the decision-making power over who gets playing time.
In Sark’s offense you would expect guys to be practically begging for the WR job. If the best you can do is keep a new guy from the previous staff that‘s a major red flag.
Officially, no. But unofficially I think we have a pretty decent idea of what’s coming. Would love to be wrong.
Blame others, or blame yourself? I say the morons are the ones that believed that. You know the whole "fool me once...." saying?...Yet, right here, you've seen this be a promise, and never delivered now 3 times through Strong, Herman and Sark.
All star staff is something people say to make them feel better, but rarely if ever happens (other schools too), because "all-star" typically means you'd be hiring people you can't really afford as assistants.
To Sark it will be all-star.
No doubt. It can happen.
I don't know that any of those guys completely match his situation.
Based on what we're hearing I like the new staff.
2000’s Texas program had ZERO problem pulling in top level assistants.
2010’s Texas has seen them cycle through new coaches every 2 years or so. It’s not an attractive destination at present.
If Texas has immediate success under Sark and some coaches start to get pub and interviews for head coaching positions then they’ll have an easier time attracting good young coaches looking to level up.
Which is kinda what it sounds like Simmons does at OU. Riley gets those recruits bc of the high flying WR friendly offense. Go watch a video of Simmons on YouTube. Zero personality.
He can't control the action of others. If someone else's situation changes or another opportunity presents itself, what can he do? We should be smart about this. The best he can do is identify the best coaches he wants and work his way down the list if the top choices doesn't work out. It's the realistic outcome.
I think he is specifically talking about Coleman. That is the only questionable hire I have on this staff for recruiting purposes. I know sark isn't going to rotating backs and wr like herman let happen. It could be worse don't think the WR coach is going to aink the ship but would have preferred a better recruiter.
He has coached at KSU and a floundering Texas can you please list the number of rainmaker recruiters who would have been able to get anyone in the national top 100?
For reference I find the hire very underwhelming but I’d also say the story on Coleman as a recruiter is yet to be written. Sarkisian’s offense could make a huge difference in his recruiting abilities.
@Ketchum care to try to answer as well.
According to @Ketchum there was interest which makes the decision to keep Coleman all that more puzzling.
Either Sark 1.) is poised to fill the staff w/ other elite recruiters that can make up for AC’s perceived recruiting short comings, 2.) SS thinks AC is, or will, in fact be an elite recruiter in his own right (despite 0 evidence to the contrary), or 3.) thinks being a “rain maker” is an overvalued tag line from Orangefans that doesn’t exist in the real world.
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