Why keep Coleman???
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If he is going to be the wide receivers coach, he's had one year at Texas of recruiting. We don't know how good of a recruiter he is or not, yet. People were concerned about Stan Drayton, but then Texas landed Bijan Robinson, with the help of Tim Beck. You might see tandem recruiting.
Sure. But given his last two stops prior to UT were Youngstown State and KSU, I doubt the opportunity was there to compete for a nationally elite prospect. The players seems to like him at UT and he was a player favorite at KSU. I'm not saying he'll be elite, but he seems to relate well to the players.
Kansas City Star
SUPER RECRUITER
Here’s a trivia question: Who was the first K-State football alum to score a touchdown in the Super Bowl?
The answer: Coleman.
Log on to YouTube and you can watch the play — a 98-yard kickoff return — at any time. Coleman was just a rookie for the San Diego Chargers, but he looked like a veteran weaving through would-be tacklers and outrunning everyone to the end zone.
Coleman lasted five years in the NFL, also playing for the Seattle Seahawks and Pittsburgh Steelers.
That gives him instant credibility with players.
“We did our research on him and realized pretty quickly he is legit,” Burton said. “He’s not a fraud, telling us things he knows nothing about. With me being in the NFL now, I call him all the time and ask questions. The best thing you can do is seek advice from people who have been there before.”
Eric Wolford agrees. A former K-State teammate and now the offensive line coach at South Carolina, he thought Coleman could become a coaching star.
He had all the tools — reputation, passion, football IQ — to recruit and develop players. Wolford just needed to convince him to give coaching a try.
There is a gap in Coleman’s football resume between his final NFL game in 1998 and his first day coaching for Youngstown State in 2010. K-State did not make Coleman available for this story, but friends say he was involved with several business ventures during that time, including sports apparel and night clubs.
When Wolford, then the head coach at FCS Youngstown State, reached out to Coleman in 2010 about an opening on his staff, he said Coleman was living in Atlanta “doing several jobs and not thinking about football.” But he talked him into moving to Youngstown, Pa. and coaching tight ends.
“Coaching is the next best thing to playing,” Wolford remembers telling Coleman. “I talked to him about what the opportunities were going to be five years from now. I thought he could be at a big-time program somewhere, and now he is. He was an instant success.”
Coleman spent one season coaching tight ends and then shifted to receivers over the next two seasons. He was a hit with players and coaches alike.
But he was even more popular with recruits, a trend that continues today. His deep ties to Georgia and Pennsylvania have helped K-State sign dozens of talented players located outside their usual recruiting net.
There are many reasons for that, but it helps when you’re the answer to a trivia question.
“When Andre Coleman walks into a room he has a presence,” Wolford said. “He played in the NFL and has instant credibility with recruits. These days, kids Google you when you reach out to them. And a lot of good stuff pops up when they search Andre Coleman.”
To be fair to Coleman, he didn’t get to really showcase his personality on the trail.
Additionally, Mike Roach wrote a Herman recruiting retrospective a few days ago and said that Herman often hamstrung the WR recruiting because he insisted on signing off on guys first because he played that position at Cal-Lutheran, and Herman also favored size at the position.
Im not in favor of retaining Coleman either, but he’s the hire so what can we do?
Let’s see how it works in a new context.
I posted this elsewhere, but go look at the staff that Saban put together when he first got to Alabama. Remember: this is Nick Saban who won a title at LSU, was as much a known quantity as you could hope for, had spent time in the NFL for good measure.
Highlights:
OC Major Applewhite: 1 year as OC at Rice (ended up rising fast, crashing and burning, and now working to rebuild his career)
DC Kevin Steele: no experience as a DC (ended up compiling an impressive career as a DC, most recently at Auburn with a stop at Clemson prior to that). Some pointed out that he had experience as a HC at Baylor (which was a disaster), but that doesn't change the fact that he had never worked as a DC before that.
AHC/DB Kirby Smart: 1 year of experience each as S coach for the Dolphins (under Saban), RB coach at UGA, and DB coach at LSU (under Saban I believe).
If it was 2007 and Sark hired those guys, we'd all be scratching our heads right now. Actually, what's even better - I think people would have been pysched about Applewhite, and bummed about Kevin Steele (who is, at this point, one of the most respected and tenured DCs in college football). Also, no one would have gives a room temperature shit about Kirby Smart.
Not everything is what it seems.
I don’t know but my best guess is he isn’t our WR coach because Sarkisian couldn’t get anyone else to come. Just an opinion of which we will never know the correct answer.
Why does every new coach do this?
Texas: “Hey, coach (fill in the blank). Pick the best staff, don’t worry about the $$ just get the best and leave the contract up to us.”
New Texas coach: “Nah”
Texas: “Hey, coach (fill in the blank). Pick the best staff, don’t worry about the $$ just get the best and leave the contract up to us.”
New Texas coach: “Nah”
Coleman met with my friend's son with his buddy (who we all want) in person before they weren't impressed. We will see if Sark changes things.
Got any examples of what they weren’t impressed with? If Sarkisian joins in on the recruitment do you still think they don’t give us the time of day?
Just curious when that happened bc coaches haven’t been allowed to coach in person correct?
They like him as a person but they didn't feel he was very passionate they just got a weird vibe from him they didn't really relate to him.
not to mention our WR play kind of sucked- couldn't block or get off blocks.
I mean, our WR recruiting this year was an unmitigated disaster so was OL.
How would you feel about keeping Hand?
We managed to get at least a passing grade at quite a few other positions.
If Coleman could recruit we wouldnt have our worst WR class that I can remember.
Not buying Coleman as the receivers coach regardless of what the statesman is saying.
Analyst role or helping out. Ok. Being THE guy. Nope.
Analyst role or helping out. Ok. Being THE guy. Nope.
Unique connection? Pics of Sark drunk off his a$$ at a Ti**y Bar?
He's right Ketch, how many 4 or 5 star recruits go to KSU? They can't be getting them almost at all. I think there and Youngstown State you are going to be recruiting different guys. He is definitely well liked by the players since he's been here. I think Sark knows he's going to be a good one. I have trust in Sark's opinion of these coaches. Our whole staff was not poor last season. Our problems on offense where all on Herman, slowing it down to let the turtle catch up...He did it for 4 years, even Sam called him out on it. I think the change in Sark alone will be huge! I believe we could have won all our games last year with the whole staff minus Herman (with Sark subbed in).
That can be subjective person to person. Your friend’s son may not have been impressed, but another guy might really like him.
Wiggins has some question marks as a recruiter as well. I’ve read numerous times that the Alabama machine basically recruits itself at this stage.
Obviously, we would’ve loved to have Simmons from OU or someone like Emmett Jones at KU.
Lol. They ain't following all the rules
That is fair.
His lack of recruiting success is a concern but he was thrust into an almost impossible situation for a young and upcoming guy whose gifts are mainly appreciated face to face.
But I urge all of you to read up on him. What he has done with both the kicking game and the receivers has been lights out everywhere he has ever been, starting with his own career as a player.
I’m telling you, it is impressive. I think he will thrive once we get COVID under control. Hopefully Sark will bring in someone else as well to buy him some time to establish himself at Texas.
But I urge all of you to read up on him. What he has done with both the kicking game and the receivers has been lights out everywhere he has ever been, starting with his own career as a player.
I’m telling you, it is impressive. I think he will thrive once we get COVID under control. Hopefully Sark will bring in someone else as well to buy him some time to establish himself at Texas.
I'm not saying people's concerns aren't justified if Andre Coleman is the hire. With last year and this year so far, it's hard to judge him as a recruiter until in person recruiting is allowed again. It might be the wrong hire for recruiting purposes, but who knows. If Texas receivers start going to the NFL, that will help recruiting.
All those are fair points. Time will tell just how much of a “disaster” retaining Coleman will be. I’m underwhelmed by it for sure not willing to call it an unmitigated disaster........ yet
i don’t subscribe to Nahlin and right now you look petulant and idiotic based on the latest news
We all do.. nobody has a true grasp of what going on... so just chill and see what happens!
Sandwiches, car, bag man, stripper contractor, etc. Sark could make use of a true multi-purpose guy
By your logic, you are the one that can’t read
“In an article with the Statesman, Steve Sarkisian reports that he plans to retain Texas wide receivers coach Andre Coleman in the same position.”
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