Ketch's 10 Thoughts From the Weekend (2016 Buechele better than 2006 McCoy?)
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Well you couldn't be more wrong. Of course I do, which is why I asked you twice to clarify your confusing comment that appears to be a contradictory point of view. I'm open to hearing why you think it's OK for Shaka to make such a public and divisive statement immediately after a legit and democratic election.
Saying it's a "slap in the face" is definitely not tolerating other views, and I'm certainly not a huge Trump fan. How exactly is it a "slap in the face" to Shaka? I don't remember Trump saying a single negative thing about AA's, so it's an odd statement both for him to say to the media and for you to support IMO. Again, neither is tolerating other views.
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do you not understand why it's a slap in the face? That seems to be the most pressing matter from my perspective in this conversation of toleration.
Please, can you try not to answer my questions with another question? If we're going to have a dialogue then let's have a dialogue with real back and forth exchange where we both try to understand where the other is coming from, because it's important. We are a divided nation right now and not having a real discussion about it with an open mind is a major part of the problem, as you agreed in your OP.
I asked you two very specific questions. First, no I do not understand why an AA HC at the university of Texas told the media it was a slap in the face that Trump was democratically elected as POTUS. To my knowledge, Trump never said a single negative thing about AA's during his entire campaign, so who is he talking about when he made that comment?
Is it a slap in the face to Democrats? To basketball HC's? To who exactly? He can't be referring to Americans considering half the country voted for Trump. Sure, he's absolutely entitled to his opinion, but to say that in such a a public way was divisive, classless, and certainly not tolerating other views. I like Shaka which is what made it so disappointing to read.
I also don't understand your comment about the only way we come together as a society is to tolerate other views while at the same time excusing his slap in the face comments. He's certainly not tolerating other views by making such a divisive and public statement. To me, that seems to be a major contradiction which is why I asked you to clarify your OP. I'm trying to understand the seemingly intolerant mentality from certain segments of our society who appear to have completely lost their minds after a democratic election.
There's a lot of things you don't understand, including the perspective that Shaka Smart is coming from.
If you can't figure it out, don't know or care... I'm not going to waste any time trying to explain away a completely lost cause.
Maybe you should write Shaka a letter and ask him to explain it to you.
Really Ketch? I told you I was open to a real and open minded dialogue because I wanted to understand (and still do) the other side's view, and that's your response? Do you not realize you have completely contradicted yourself ITT? It appears there are a lot of things you don't understand and apparently unwilling to understand, including the perspective that half this country is coming from.
In one post you claim "not tolerating other views is exactly what put us in a situation where the country is split right down the middle on almost everything" and that "the only way we come together is to tolerate each other." Now you say you're not going to waste your time if I don't understand even after I said I wanted to understand? How can you not see the dichotomy between these comments?
I guess you're right. It is a waste of time and a lost cause to try to discuss topics with someone who is so close minded and unwilling to even explain their point of view to a willing listener while at the same time not even trying to see the other side's point of view. This kind of behavior is exactly why we are where we are as a divided country, and until this changes nothing is going to change.
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I was a little too rude in my reply and for that I apologize.
It just feels like you're trolling me a little in presenting a picture of not knowing where Shaka is coming from?
Here's the deal: Shaka and most of his his players views America as having just elected an open racist, who made his rise in political fame by spending years trying to discredit the first black president as not being from this country.
From the events with the Central Park 5 to being forced into court over racist positions with blacks and housing to condescending them in the election... there are a lot of black people in this country (all kinds of people for that matter), who view what happened as direct actions and support of someone who is not for them.
Some look at those that voted for Trump and see people that won't even try to hide support from a verified racist and they can't ignore that.
It's that simple. And if you think this is stuff that is just made up in their minds, look at Bonnon on his staff as an example or the fear that exists that white nationalists and far-right extremists are now in power and that doesn't bode well on the surface for those that don't fit inside that group's inner circle.
I don't think you meant chief of staff did you? I think you meant Bannon. Sorry wanted to clarify.
No biggie. I didn't hold that personally against you. I was only trying to wrap my mind around it all. I completely understand this is a very touchy subject where opinions are going to vary in a dramatic way. Normally I wouldn't even be attempting to discuss this on ITFA, but since it was a Buy/Sell question it appears to be open for discussion ITT.
And no, I definitely wasn't trolling you at all. I really don't understand why Shaka made such a divisive comment and in such a public way, especially since Trump never said anything remotely racist that I'm aware of about AA's during his campaign.
Yes, I'm familiar with the Central Park 5 situation but maybe not to the extent you are in terms of details. I know he said some racist things decades ago but wasn't he exonerated for all of that, as in the case was settled with no guilty verdict? Please correct me if I'm wrong because that is my understanding of the final result. Also, since that was decades ago doesn't he possess the ability as a human being to change his views over time? I realize he said some things that may be considered derogatory (it's debatable) about Mexicans/Muslims, but not AA's.
I'm sure some wingnut racists voted for Trump as they do for all Republicans. That certainly doesn't mean they speak for all Trump supporters. Some just want change from the last 8 year disaster and/or refused to vote for one of the biggest lying, corrupt candidates in recent political history. Sometimes it's just that simple where racism has nothing to do with the ultimate decision, which is probably the case with 99% of the voters. To lump all Trump supporters as racists without even listening to their reasoning is disingenuous.
Also, I don't believe Trump is a verified racist as you claim. I don't consider wanting to stop Muslim immigration from worn torn countries racist, especially when the stated goal of jihadis is to infiltrate refugees. It's basic common sense. In addition, building a wall to keep out illegal immigrants isn't racist. It's immigration 101. Now he certainly could've worded it better when referring to Mexicans coming across the border as rapists, drug dealers, etc but he wasn't saying ALL Mexicans were criminals. He was saying many are, and he's absolutely right.
I agree Bannon was a controversial selection for White House Senior Adviser and not my first choice, but I'm willing to give the guy a chance. He has a degree from the Harvard Business School and the London School of Economics while also serving in the US Navy as an officer advising Admirals. He's obviously qualified for the position and it's far too early to know if it was a bad decision based solely on his past job.
If he proves to be unqualified or too right wing, he will undoubtedly be replaced because the American public will demand it. Obama made some very questionable staff decisions including only considering seriously under-qualified AA candidates so let's not pretend this is the first questionable decision ever made with Presidential staff. It's actually fairly common.
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Lots of subtle and not so subtle comments being dropped and implied the past 24 hours. At this point I'm trying to figure out if there is any path forward for CS here. Sure doesn't seem like it, and hard to argue that there should be.
Is that because you have new information from a source, or just a gut feel from sipping some bad gin?
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