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Ketch's 10 Thoughts From The Weekend: 24 Hours Later...

I get it, but there as yet isnt any actual proof theyd have come here. Thats what I asked him for. I can say I need a new car for example but if I couldn't get one its tough to blame me later when the current one breaks.

Bad example but you should get where Im coming from.
Is there proof we even kicked the tires? We hear almost always hear about guys we’ve been in contact with and I don’t recall them talking to any OL at all.
 
a. He also had zero personal skin in the game in coaching that position.

b. He's the GOAT. Sark ain't that.

Not even sure what your first answer even means. At BEST, it's silly to even remotely suggest Saban had not "personal skin" regardless of whether he was coaching the position. If Tua bombed in the 2d who the hell do you think was going to get buried for that decision?
 
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I don't have a lot of faith in Coleman.

I think I can handle losing this game had we played well. It is the fashion in which in happened. The hope was this coaching staff was different but what I saw Saturday wasn't much different then what we have seen the last 11 years. Poor preparation, Poor play calling, and just overall bad coaching by everyone..
 
Your head coach and one of the best quarterback coaches in the history of the sport disagrees with you.
I think he likes Card because he fits his system better than Casey does. Coaches who don’t adjust to their personnel and make players adjust to their system don’t do well historically. Say what you want about Briles but he is a great coach. Do you remember the Baylor game a few years back when Baylor lost their QB early. Briles literally implemented a power zone read offense mid game and ran it with an athlete at qb and ran all over Texas. As a coach you play the best Cards you have at the time. That’s a great coach. Pun intended once again.
 
Let's be frank, both Brown and VY and significantly longer bodies of work of quality starts before any first clunker.
VY's passing was average at best. His legs were game changers. Kind of apples to oranges.

Brown was 10 of 20 for 100 yards, a touchdown and an INT in a bad loss to Tech.

8 of 14 for 97 yards the next week in a bad loss to A&M

It wasn't until Morenz got hurt that Brown really took off.
 
Ironic given your Card stance.
Not based on any emotion at all. I know when you view all of this through the prism of emotion on a daily basis, it's hard to see how others can be unemotional.
 
Is it just me or is @Ketchum dodging some rather good and factual points being made here regarding Thompson Vs Card. I’m with you I think Thompson needs to start and we can always go back to Card if Thompson isn’t getting it done. This whole decision to ride with one guy all season when they aren’t playing well even though we’ve been told it was a tough decision to choose a starter is frankly just completely illogical and a good way to not move the ball. We witnessed this bs for far too long against Arkansas and then the coach has the idiocy to say hindsight is 20/20. Really? Like was he watching the same game? What on earth other than his pride was telling him He shouldn’t give Casey a shot to get something going. Goodness gracious
we'll see what happens. I'm just not telling some of you want to hear. I'm not really dodging anything,

I've admitted to being less than emphatic about my opinion (see the elmo gif at the top of the section).
 
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I fully expect him to play Card and I fully expect Card to play better. I expect the team to play better and to almost make this a distant memory for the casual fanbase when we're fighting for a Big XII CG berth in November.

But none of that blind optimism should distract from the critique of what was one of the least inspiring, most confounding coaching performances I've ever seen at the college level. You guys have done a good job bringing it up repeatedly but seriously: what the F*** was the gameplan here? There wasn't a single first half possession that had anything other than the stench of potential failure on it from the get-go. Nothing worked. Nothing looked like it would eventually work. Other than a handful of guys, it didn't even look like our guys knew there was history between these two teams.

And as we (well, as you mods) attempt to deconstruct the myriad coaching failures over the next few days, it should not go unnoticed that this team that seemingly completely undressed us on national TV could've been in legitimate trouble if this team just executed and caught some whiffs of competent officiating.

We don't need to catch all of these breaks but, imagine if:
-we recover the muffed kick and go in for an easy 7-0 lead
-Arky gets penalized for tackling Card low as he's flipping the ball to the ref, 3 seconds after the whistle
-Dicker doesn't fumble the punt
-Dicker makes a makable FG
-JWhitt catches that ball
-Card connects on one of those deep balls
-We run literally any other play on that 4th and 1 from our own 35ish
-Jamison doesn't blow that coverage so egregiously
-targeting called on that asinine 4th and 1 play

There's probably another dozen what-ifs but those are the most memorable. If we catch a few of those breaks (especially that opening kickoff muff), we could have changed the trajectory of that game, taken the crowd out of it a bit and made the game manageable. But it doesn't change the fact that our coaching staff brought out a team that appeared to lack enthusiasm, direction, confidence and energy. Really weird temperament for a rivalry-game in a hostile environment and one that we have to hope isn't repeated in Dallas.
Good post. Thanks for sharing.
 
Did I say you did?
well, you didn't say that I didn't and attributed comments that I didn't make with direct quotes in a discussion about comments I am making without noting it.

If someone read that and didn't understand the full context, they would likely believe that you were indicating that I did.
 
Not even sure what your first answer even means. At BEST, it's silly to even remotely suggest Saban had not "personal skin" regardless of whether he was coaching the position. If Tua bombed in the 2d who the hell do you think was going to get buried for that decision?
When they aren't guys you're directly working with every day, it's much easier to pull the trigger IMO< although nothing about Saban suggests he's GAF, even if he did coach the position.
 
Couple of third down throws that went for first downs and the ball to Whittington in the third quarter that was dropped.

Just flashes.

All of those were routine throws any QB should make. He also threw some poor deep balls and missed some open guys with a step. If you wanna say “he made some throws he should make and missed others he should make as highlights”, that isn’t a very good case, imo. He missed Wittington a couple times for big plays too.
 
I think I can handle losing this game had we played well. It is the fashion in which in happened. The hope was this coaching staff was different but what I saw Saturday wasn't much different then what we have seen the last 11 years. Poor preparation, Poor play calling, and just overall bad coaching by everyone..
Not good enough in any respect.
 
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I think I can handle losing this game had we played well. It is the fashion in which in happened. The hope was this coaching staff was different but what I saw Saturday wasn't much different then what we have seen the last 11 years. Poor preparation, Poor play calling, and just overall bad coaching by everyone..
I almost think it's a good thing (long term) that this happened to us early, and in an OOC game. The staff needs to pay careful attention to how the kids respond, because the best should respond by doubling down on the work it takes to win. Those are the kids you want to be the foundation of this program.

As far as X's and O's, or who played QB... I'm not convinced that changes the outcome much. Both our QB's are very, very green.

What determined the outcome was that we got flat out whipped on both sides of the football and eventually gave up. Getting whipped can be a lesson, but giving up is always unacceptable.
 
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@Ketchum is playing fast and loose in attempting to draw parallels with VY/JB and Card. NEITHER of them had a clunker in their first real challenge.

I remember the 12-0 RRR game in 04 against OU. On the surface, we were shutout. But throughout the game you saw some serious fireworks from VY. I remember a 50 yard run he had that was like dynamite. Even after the game and that being the 5th consecutive beating, many fans had a sense of optimism because of it. There was just nothing abojt Card that made me think it is worth keeping him in over a guy who is en fuego every time he has gotten a chance.
 
Can’t believe two weeks into the Sark era and things feel eerily similar to the last two coaching staffs. Absolutely depressing and a bit unbelievable considering the pedigree of many of these coaches.
Pedigree as assistants…not as head coaches. You don’t change out the staff without bringing in someone with head coaching experience AND skins on the wall
 
It just might mean he trusts himself.
Come on Ketch. We all know why he purposefully brought in Casey late. Your man Anwar paints it out well in Pulpit. It is a major red flag. The worst thing that happened Saturday. Bigger issue than the loss itself.
 
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Couple of third down throws that went for first downs and the ball to Whittington in the third quarter that was dropped.

Just flashes.

Whittington dropped the ball but if you watch the replay, Card underthrew the ball. JW absolutely should have made the catch but a good QB puts that ball in a place so JW doesn't lose his rhythm.
 
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Quite honestly, I found the following quote a bit laughable in real time but it's still a bit shocking this was the sentiment less than 2 weeks ago:

"I was told Card has the mental makeup of a quarterback most people within the program have rarely seen.

Some quarterbacks are viewed as players who are hard to rattle.

Card is viewed as a quarterback who cannot get rattled, no matter what happens."

Literally the very FIRST time adversity presented itself to Card, he folded like a house of cards. I wonder sometimes if there's something about Lake Travis QBs who grew up coddled with every major advantage on the field that when punched in the mouth they fold like cheap suits. I mean, one could argue Westlake QBs are just as coddled but at the end of the day, Westlake has given us two SB MVPs, a future HOFer and one of the toughest QB hombres the 40 has ever seen.

well he doesn’t get rattled in practice. And man he can throw the ball in shorts with no pass rush. Thing of beauty
 
Well well

The ONLY answer is to start CT. Period. That does NOT mean you are giving up on Card. It means you are doing what is best for the team. It is possible CT is simply a gamer. It is possible Card just isn’t ready for prime time. Neither means that Sark’s choice from 20+ practices wasn’t the correct decision based on what he saw. It may simply be that what happens in practice isn’t translating to the games.

By starting CT this week (and letting Card play in Q3 just like the first game) we get to see a much more realistic competition between them. This is a decision not only for the rest of the year, but the next couple years. Getting more data points is the smart thing to do.
Casey scrambled right and threw a high wobbling duck over the head of his receiver, he missed a deep ball by 10 yards and took off running at the glimpse of pressure against a prevent defense yet we want to take out the QB with the best arm talent in a decade?

This place has serious battered fan syndrome. The game was lost on the game plan, no scripted short passing games to get card comfortable and open up running lanes, no read options. Just crazy vanilla and gave a very talented QB making his first road start zero chance of success.

How is this so hard for this fan base to see? My eyes saw run on first down for 3, run on second down for -2 and a pass attempt with a shitty o line against 8 defenders on 3rd and long. This Texas coaching staff completed the definition of insanity Saturday night.
 
Whittington dropped the ball but if you watch the replay, Card underthrew the ball. JW absolutely should have made the catch but a good QB puts that ball in a place so JW doesn't lose his rhythm.
He held on to the ball forever because his brain doesn’t process fast enough. Whitt had to stop for ball. Made a easy TD a tough catch.
 
Casey scrambled right and threw a high wobbling duck over the head of his receiver, he missed a deep ball by 10 yards and took off running at the glimpse of pressure against a prevent defense yet we want to take out the QB with the best arm talent in a decade?

This place has serious battered fan syndrome. The game was lost on the game plan, no scripted short passing games to get card comfortable and open up running lanes, no read options. Just crazy vanilla and gave a very talented QB making his first road start zero chance of success.

How is this so hard for this fan base to see? My eyes saw run on first down for 3, run on second down for -2 and a pass attempt with a shitty o line against 8 defenders on 3rd and long. This Texas coaching staff completed the definition of insanity Saturday night.
Papa Card has entered the convo. Lol
 
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I remember the 12-0 RRR game in 04 against OU. On the surface, we were shutout. But throughout the game you saw some serious fireworks from VY. I remember a 50 yard run he had that was like dynamite. Even after the game and that being the 5th consecutive beating, many fans had a sense of optimism because of it. There was just nothing abojt Card that made me think it is worth keeping him in over a guy who is en fuego every time he has gotten a chance.
I wouldn't really bring the 2004 season with VY as the starter into the conversation with discussion about first year play as starters, other than to say quarterbacks routinely struggle at times in their development until the light switch fully comes on.
 
Come on Ketch. We all know why he purposefully brought in Casey late. Your man Anwar paints it out well in Pulpit. It is a major red flag. The worst thing that happened Saturday. Bigger issue than the loss itself.
I don't know why you're suggesting I think otherwise. I called for the hook much earlier than it occurred.
 
Whittington dropped the ball but if you watch the replay, Card underthrew the ball. JW absolutely should have made the catch but a good QB puts that ball in a place so JW doesn't lose his rhythm.

There was more to that play than simply hitting his receiver in the hands IMO>
 
well he doesn’t get rattled in practice. And man he can throw the ball in shorts with no pass rush. Thing of beauty

You should have seen my 53 y.o. self slinging the ball around on the streets to my 7th grade WR. Not saying I was looking better than Elway but I feel I was close.
 
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