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His game against A&M in 2007 was reportedly the lowest graded game by any player in the Mack Brown era. People in the program had all kinds of questions about it.

The good news is that he turned out a really good pro career and came out better for it all the way around from what I can tell.
Interesting.

I remember a radio interview he gave to somebody on the eve of the championship game in 2010 vs Bama. He didn't say anything negative about Texas and was certainly cheering for them. You're probably right, leaving was the best thing for both parties.
 
I believe he signed one kid from DISD back in the class of 1997. He was not highly rated and did not play much.

Mackovic was not pulling kids from DISD. Man, apparently, I need to write a book because you guys have forgotten true history.

fiction or non-fiction?
 
Shipley and Cosby of 2007 were not the Shipley and Cosby of 2008/09.

Ulatoski, Tanner, Hall, Dockery and Hix (true fish) was better than this group with Williams as the headliner?
Limas Sweed , Billy Pittman, Jermicheal Finley, Jamal Charles, Shipley and Cosby better than what SB had to work with.
Williams might be better indidvidually than Hix or Ulatoski, but this was a better group
by far than what we had on the field last year.
Don't underestimate how much better the coaching was. SB had a 1 Colt had a strong 8 IMO.
 
It's crazy to me the amount of energy and momentum around the program. It's like 98 all over again exception being Foreman. Crazy parallels.
 
You like Stats and figures, so tell me how this 2007 stat sheet compares with what SB had to work within 2016.
2007 Longhorns 10-3 final ranking 10th in the nation(not 10th in the Big12)
Colt 3303 yds 22 TDs 139.2 QB rating
Jamal Charles--1818 YDS 18 TD
Vondrell McGee 297 YDS 8 TD
Chris Ogboynnaya 270 yds 2TD
Jordan Shipley 437 YDS 5TD
Limas Sweed 305 YDS 3TD
Nate Jones 792 YDS 5TD
Jermicheal Finley 575 YDS 3TD
Quan Cosby 680 YDS 5TD
We won't even discuss the coaching.
 
Interesting.

I remember a radio interview he gave to somebody on the eve of the championship game in 2010 vs Bama. He didn't say anything negative about Texas and was certainly cheering for them. You're probably right, leaving was the best thing for both parties.
He loves Texas. He was just immature as a young player.
 
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You like Stats and figures, so tell me how this 2007 stat sheet compares with what SB had to work within 2016.
2007 Longhorns 10-3 final ranking 10th in the nation(not 10th in the Big12)
Colt 3303 yds 22 TDs 139.2 QB rating
Jamal Charles--1818 YDS 18 TD
Vondrell McGee 297 YDS 8 TD
Chris Ogboynnaya 270 yds 2TD
Jordan Shipley 437 YDS 5TD
Limas Sweed 305 YDS 3TD
Nate Jones 792 YDS 5TD
Jermicheal Finley 575 YDS 3TD
Quan Cosby 680 YDS 5TD
We won't even discuss the coaching.
Nate Jones was the leading receiver. Also, I thought we were talking 2017 Longhorns.
 
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It's been a little more than 24 hours since the college recruiting world felt the shockwaves of Tom Herman announcing his authority in the form of flipping one of the nation's top prep quarterbacks from his school's arch-rival to his own cupboard out of thin air.

Ok, maybe it wasn't thin air, but it sure felt like it on Saturday evening.

With a little more time to absorb the development and ponder on its significance, here's a look at a little non-instant analysis over Cameron Rising's commitment.

a. How big of a deal is this? Going back to 2003, the Texas program has signed only one quarterback out of 15 recruiting classes with a higher grade than Rising... five-star Garrett Gilbert back in 2009. Both Jevan Snead (No.61) in 2006 and Jerrod Heard (No.85) were national top 100 prospects when they signed with Texas, but both rank behind Rising, who is currently ranked No.52 in the rankings by Rivals. It should be noted for the record that Rivals is currently the only national recruiting service that ranks Rising as a top 100 prospect, so I'm not sure that we can call him the consensus top quarterback prospect that Texas has landed a commitment from since 2009, but if we go by the current Rivals rankings, there's only been one better since Vince Young signed with the Longhorns in 2002.

b. As well as the Longhorns have recruited as a whole over the last 15 years or so, it's kind of wild to think that Texas only landed two true national blue-chippers (Gilbert and Snead) from 2003-17 after it landed three from 1999-2002 (Chris Simms in 1999, Chance Mock in 2000 and Vince Young in 2002)

It should be noted that the Longhorns landed commitments during that window from five-star out of state quarterbacks Ryan Perrilloux (Reserve, La.) and John Brantley (Ocala, Florida), only to lose both in the final two months of the recruiting process in 2005 and 2007, respectively.

c. After spending more than an hour watching various videos of Rising from his sophomore year through his junior season and into this off-season, he kind of reminds me a taller version of current Texas quarterback Sam Ehlinger. As was the case with Ehlinger, the thing that impresses me the most about Rising is his ability to stand in the pocket and make throws all over the field, even in the face of pressure. Also, just like Ehlinger, Rising is a guy that has the ability to create plays with his athleticism and feet. He's not a run threat in the mold of an athlete like Heard and I don't know that you want him to carry a running game the way Colt McCoy did at times in 2008, but a lot of times when you hear a guy labeled as a pro-style quarterback, you think of a stiff athlete, but that's certainly not Rising. Make no mistake about it, though, the thing that makes him a potentially outstanding high-level college quarterback is his arm ability and feel for the passing game. The ability to create off-schedule plays is just a big bonus.

d. In case you were giving it some thought, Texas needs two quarterbacks in this class in the worst way. With only two scholarship quarterbacks scheduled to be on the roster going into the 2018 season, taking two quarterbacks helps gets the numbers closer to where Tom Herman will desire them to be, while also protecting the program to a degree against any possible significant injury/transfer at the position.

e. There's just no way to know how this will impact Casey Thompson (Moore, Oklahoma), the other Texas quarterback commitment in this class. From a talent standpoint, you'd probably give Rising a 60-40 edge in a battle against Thompson because of his advanced play in the passing game, but both players are extremely talented and could emerge as starting-level players at Texas. I think the big issue is what the Oklahoma Sooners do at quarterback. For so long, the Sooners have ignored Thompson as a prospect because it had a commitment from Rising. Does that change now that Rising has committed to Texas? Can the Sooners wipe away the advantages that Texas has gained over the next nine months? All of my experience in this industry tell me that it's a situation that will need to be monitored over the next nine-plus months.

f. There were nine days between the commitment of Rising and Thompson, both of whom attended the Texas spring game. It seems pretty clear that the presence of one isn't making the other flinch at this point.

g. We're not really going to do the nickname thing, are we? It's not that I don't think "Bad Moon" Rising is a decent nickname, although it makes me think of former NFL wide receiver Andre Rison, but the best players in the history of the Texas program are typically mentioned by a single name, whether it's Vince, Colt, Ced, Ricky, Tommy, etc... A nickname seems like a sure-fire way to mess things up.

No. 2 – If Texas wins 9+ games this season...

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This is going to sound like a broken record for a number of you, but when a football program lives in a holding pattern like it has this entire decade, you're going to hear a few broken records.

With the acknowledgement out of the way that you've heard this before, it seems borderline obvious that the Longhorns are on the verge of a monster recruiting class if Tom Herman and Co. can lift this team to at least 8-9 wins this season.

You can sense that Tom Herman's 2018 #RevolUTion is thiiiiiiis close to going down.

Here's a very realistic look at how this recruiting class could look if the coaches get the team over 8-9 win hump and decide to take a full class, which it absolutely should be able to do after 15+ more months of natural program attrition.

Quarterbacks (2)

Cameron Rising (Newbury Park, Ca.) - 4 stars (No.52 overall, No.3 pro-style, No.6 in California)
Casey Thompson (Moore, Oklahoma) - 4 stars (No.244 overall, No.9 dual-threat, No.4 in Oklahoma)

Running Backs (1)

Keontay Ingram (Carthage, Texas) - 3 stars (No.22 running back, No.58 in Texas)

Wide Receivers (4)

Justin Watkins (Ocala, Florida) - 4 stars (No.60 overall, No.3 athlete, No.20 in Florida)
Brennan Eagles (Alief Taylor) - 4 stars (No.33 overall, No.7 wide receiver, No.3 in Texas)
Al'Vonte Woodard (Houston Lamar) - 4 stars (No.34 overall, No.8 wide receiver, No.4 in Texas)
Jaylen Waddle (Houston Episcopal) - 4 stars (No.229 overall, No.45 wide receiver, No.26 in Texas)
Jaquayln Crawford (Rockdale) - 3 stars (No.35 wide receiver, No.65 in Texas)

Tight Ends (2)

Mustapha Muhammad (FB Ridge Point, Texas) - 4 stars (No.14 tight end, No.27 in Texas)
Malcolm Epps (Spring Dekaney - 4 stars (No.181 overall, No.8 tight end, No.19 in Texas)

Offensive Linemen (3)

Reese Moore (Seminole, Texas) - 3 stars (No.18 tight end, No.40 in Texas)
Rafiti Ghirmai (Frisco Wakeland) - 3 stars (No.47 offensive tackle, No.96 in Texas)
Barton Clement (Fort Bend Marshall) - 4 stars (No.226 overall, No.9 guard, No.25 in Texas)

Defensive Linemen (2)

Keondre Coburn (Spring Westfield) - 4 stars (No.195 overall, No.13 defensive tackle, No.21 in Texas)
Bobby Brown (Arlington Lamar) - 4 stars (No.165 overall, No.6 strong-side defensive end, No.17 in Texas)

Linebackers (3)

Byron Hobbs (FW Eastern Hills) - 3 stars (No.36 outside linebacker, No.72 in Texas)
Alson Orji (Rockwall) - 4 stars (No.90 overall, No.6 outside linebacker, No.8 in Texas)
DeMarvion Overshown (Arp) - 3 stars (No.28 safety, No.57 in Texas)

Defensive Backs (5)

Anthony Cook (Houston Lamar) - 5 stars (No.20 overall, No.2 cornerback, No.1 in Texas)
B.J.Foster (Angelton) - 4 stars (No.27 overall, No.2 safety, No.2 in Texas)
Leon O'Neal (Cy Springs) - 4 stars ((No.163 overall, No.13 safety, No.15 in Texas)
D'Shawn Jamison (Houston Lamar) - 4 stars (No.22 cornerback, No.28 in Texas)
Jalen Green (Houston Heights) - 4 stars (No.125 overall, No.14 cornerback , No.10 in Texas)

That's 23 right there and none of those projections feel forced outside of the possible Barton Clement projection, as he is probably a slight A&M lean at the moment, but the Aggies might take themselves out of contention if its season goes like most think it will, which is sideways at best. Throw in a couple of added defensive linemen (hard to project who those names will be) and a extra wildcard and you've got a class that will rank as one of the best in the country.

As it stands, we're talking one five-star, 16 four-stars and a sprinkling of high three-star prospects, which would have made it a borderline top five class a season ago. If a couple of those very high four stars get their fifth star before February, we could be talking about a top three class.

It feels like it's thiiiiis close to happening. There's just two things left to do... win and close the deal.

No. 3 – Quick thoughts on the Sunday commit ...

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In what was one of the least-surprising commitments of the 2018 recruiting class, Seminole, Texas offensive tackle prospect Reese Moore committed to the Longhorns today and in doing so, it gave Tom Herman a verbal pledge from one of the state's most interesting projects.

Some things to know...

a. He's a guy that is likely going to sign and disappear for a few years with Yancy McKnight because there's a big physical overhaul that will need to take place, as Moore looks to build up his frame to high division one standards, while keeping the athleticism that makes him such a high-upside prospect.

b. I'm not sure there's an in-state tackle that has as high of a ceiling as Moore when you take into consideration his frame and natural athletic ability. Of course, his floor is probably kind of low when you consider that he's a long-term project that is coming from an area of the state that rarely develops high-end college football players. Justin Northwest tackle Darrell Simpson is the pnly guy that comes close, but Moore is a better raw athlete than Simpson, but Simpson's more advanced at this stage than Moore.

c. Interesting target for new Texas offensive coach Derek Warehime because I can assure you that very few college coaches have actually seen Moore in person. To get to Seminole, you have to want to go to Seminole and you have to prepare yourself that it might be the only high school you'll see that day if you make the trip, especially from out of state. Recruiting services also haven't seen much of him. I would rate him as one of the bigger curiosities among the top 50 prospects in the state.

d. Tanya Tucker and Larry Gatlin are the two most famous people to ever come out of Seminole.The most famous athlete in the history of the town might be world champion boxer Mary Ann Almager, who I have personally never heard of.

No. 4 – A random thought about what Tom Herman said about Malik Jefferson...

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For those that missed it, Herman did a radio interview with former Orangebloods writer and current NFL Draft guru Lance Zierlein on 790 AM in Houston this week and one of the things he mentioned in the conversation was that junior linebacker Malik Jefferson had a higher max bench press than max squat when the new staff arrived in December/January.

Unless you're Larry Allen and can push up 700 pounds on the bench press, that's typically not a good thing because so much of a football player's critical strength comes from the legs.

I'm positive that Jefferson will be asked about it when he next meets with the media in July and August, which leads me to believe that improving his strength in his core and his legs is likely his top off-season priority. Frankly, it explains a lot of Jefferson's blind spots as a player.

So, why did Herman mention it?

a. To motivate Jefferson and increase the sense of urgency related to improving in those areas.

b. To make sure that when Jefferson explodes as a player under Herman, it'll be Yancy McKnight and Todd Orlando that get credit for his physical make-over/development and not the former Texas coach who would have you believe that players like Jefferson were left as add water/instant game-changers upon Herman's arrival.

I'm convinced that Orlando and Herman believe they've got an eventual NFL player in Jefferson. They know it. For eventual recruiting purposes, Herman declared before it all happens that when Jefferson reaches his upside, it'll have been Herman and Co. that pulled it out of him.

No. 5 – Speaking of the Texas linebackers...

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What the hell is going to happen when Gary Johnson arrives this summer?

It's an interesting question to ask because one of the things Alex Dunlap and I talked about this week on Orangebloods Radio is that you can make a case that the second-team linebacker unit of Jeffrey McCulloch, Breckyn Hager and Edwin Freeman is a more dynamic and productive unit than the group that features Jefferson, Anthony Wheeler and Naashon Hughes.

With neither Hager and Wheeler not proving to be sure-thing impact players in the spring at the Mike linebacker spot, the door appears to be wide-open for the most-high profile linebacker prospect that Todd Orlando has ever landed in recruiting.

Let's assume Johnson isn't a flop and takes that starting job, as many have projected for months. With the Longhorns looking to play a ton of 3-3-5 this season, that leaves two starting spots for a rather large number of players.

With McCulloch and Hughes battling it out at the B-backer spot and Jefferson expected to hold on to the weak-side spot, it has me asking two big questions about this group.

a. What happens with Hager, who was one of the two best players on last year's defense?
b. What happens with Freeman, who might be the biggest playmaker of the entire unit before the arrival of Johnson in the fall?

Hager is a fascinating case. He's basically Sergio Kindle in the way that you always want him moving forward and attacking, but there might not be a perfect role for him in a 3-3-5 because he doesn't have the size to play on the line or the natural versatility needed at the other positions. Perhaps he could make the battle at the B-backer spot a three-way battle, but if that's where the coaches thought he would make a possible impact, he would have jumped into that battle head-first in the spring... you'd think.

It's hard not to wonder if he's going to be a rush end/overhang OLB when the team actually lines up in a 3-4-4, which will only occur consistently in about 25-percent of the games this season.

What Orlando does to get him on the field this year is one of the biggest mysteries of this team in April.

As for Freeman, I sometimes believe that if slipped on a No.46 jersey and played the way he did last season and in the spring game, we'd never have conversations about the player in No.46 having troubles. Every time Freeman is on the field, he seems to make game-changing plays.

Yes, there will be some rotation along the way, but for the most part it's hard to see how Orlando can get everyone on the field. It's a better problem than not having any good linebackers at all, but it's a curious little situation to say the least.

No. 6 – Scattershooting on the Longhorns …

... Given the state of the interior defensive line and its lack of depth, I'm starting to think that sophomore Jordan Elliott is one of the most important players in the program. In general, that huge defensive line class from a year ago isn't ready for prime-time (and some might not be ready for day-time) and Elliott was the only guy in the spring that seemed to move the needle at all. Given that he seems to be the closest to helping provide some depth this season, how far he can come in the next seven months might be a critical piece of this year's defensive conversation. If there's an injury anywhere on the line, he might be pressed into playing, ready or not.

... Speaking of players on the defensive line that need to find the light switch, junior defensive end Charles Omenihu comes to mind.

... I get the sense that 2017 is truly going to be the redshirt season than Erick Fowler needs, even if it's not an official redshirt season. Charlie just wasted a season of eligibility in playing him after he showed up so late a year ago.

... Safety Chris Brown might just emerge as the steal of the 2016 recruiting class when the proverbial dust settles.

... I don't know what to make of Zach Shackelford's situation. He's an undersized player that has been battling injuries since he arrived in Austin. There's a part of me that wonders if this is going to be what it looks like throughout his career.

No. 7 – Buy or sell …


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BUY or SELL: We keep both QB commitments?

(Sell) I've been covering Texas football recruiting for 25 years and the Longhorns have NEVER singed two national top 250 players at the quarterback position in the same year. If it happens, it'll truly be a historical feat that Tom Herman will have pulled off.

BUY or SELL: After Spring game in 2018, at least one of the four QBs - Buechele, Ehlinger, Rising, and Thompson - transfers from Texas?

(Sell) See above.

BUY or SELL: Rising's commitment negatively impacts our standing with Roschon Johnson QB '19?

(Sell) That kid loves Texas and it's possible that it'll be 2020 before Rising is a factor for the starting quarterback position, which would be Johnson's redshirt freshman season.

BUY or SELL: I know it's early but Tom Herman's recruiting momentum is starting to feel like the early Mack Brown years. Tom is younger at this point than Mack was in his early years at Texas. With that said it seems Herman is willing to capitalize on recruiting advantages and loopholes in the system you have been writing about for years. If Tom Herman continues his current recruiting efforts he will surpass anything Mack did in his early years due to a willingness to work the current system which Mack never did take advantage of while at Texas?

(Sell) What Mack Brown did at Texas was such a harder task than the one given to Herman, mostly because Brown had to truly convince talent from inner-city Dallas and Houston that Texas was a school that would look out for them, create an atmosphere that they would be successful in and play a brand of football that was interesting. There was literally a generation of hostility that he had to break through and once he did, he changed the game in recruiting like no single college football coach has ever changed recruiting in a state with the volume of players like the state of Texas possesses.

BUY or SELL: In your gut, Shane makes it through the season as the starter as long as he is healthy?

(Buy) If he can stay healthy...

BUY or SELL: Malik Zaire represents a better option than Shane Buechele, and when he transfers here next week you will finally answer this question in next weeks B/S?

(Buy) I've answered this question numerous times. I believe Zaire would give UT its best quarterback option for the 2017 season. Now excuse me because I need to prepare myself for the outcry.

BUY or SELL: The low productivity numbers for the LB 1s in the spring game (by Alex's measures) were due to the dominance of the DL 1s and/or the ineptitude of the OL 2s rather than a particular issue with the LB 1s?

(Sell) I think it's both. There are issues with that first-team group that need to be ironed out.

BUY or SELL: After beating Maryland and San Jose State at home this coming season, the Longhorn football team will be so high going into their game at USC that they will be in the lead at halftime?

(Sell) You watched the spring game and thought, "We're going to be winning at halftime of the USC game"? I did not watch the spring game and think that. USC is loaded and has what I believe is a massive quarterback advantage. Just to be clear, you're talking about the same USC Trojans team that won its last eight games from a season ago by nearly a margin of 20 points per game?

BUY or SELL: We will see more upgrades to the facilities, stadium etc. in 2018 then in 2017? The upgrades in 2018 will have more of an impact in recruiting then 2017 lockers/ weight room?

(Buy) There's only so much that will get done in the next eight months.

BUY or SELL: Dallas Cowboys should upgrade their defensive backfield with their first two picks because their isn't a player on the d-line that will be any better than the options they already have on the roster?

(Sell) I'm a believer in taking the best player available. Unless it's a high-level cornerback, I doubt we'll see Dallas draft a safety with the first two picks. We've been down this road before.

BUY or SELL: Podcasts start coming on a regular basis and aren't put in the back burner.

(Buy) Yes, yes and yes.

No. 8 – Texas Baseball weekend in a gif …

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No. 9 – Eternal Randomness of the Spotty Sports Mind …

... I'm not really ready for the NFL Draft. I'm going to be crash-coursing it this week.

... What Golden State did to Portland on Saturday had to be so disheartening for the Blazers. Up 16 against a KD/Kerr-less Warriors, you could just sense that the Warriors were going to go on a run at some point and once it happened, the Blazers emerged as a humbled, broken team. The fact that the Warriors clown on other teams more than any eight other NBA teams combined only added to the back-breaking pain of it all.

... Paul George in Philly? He's sure as hell not going back to Indiana.

... Russell Westbrook is basically Allen Iverson 2.0 and the 2017 Thunder is basically... well... pick almost any year that Iverson played in Philly, outside of the one year it was knocked out in five by the Lakers in the Finals.

... I kind of agree with Warren Sapp about Myles Garrett. Kind of.

... I'm just not into MLB right now at all. Other than keeping up with the Phillies (.500 through 18 games!), I'm just not paying atten.

... I will ban the first person that mentions Liverpool's loss to Crystal Palace to me. The second person, too. Careful.

... So, that's why every gushes over Messi?


No. 10 – And finally…

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I discovered this weekend that after nearly 41 years of living, one of the things that still gives me the most joy is opening a box of sports cards.

Although it had been years since I've opened a box of cards, I found myself in that situation this weekend and even though I'm not a big collector of memorabilia, I found it to be very enjoyable.

In fact, the next time I find myself having a bad day, I might just go buy a box somewhere and lose myself for a half hour. Sometimes you just need to feel like you're 11 all over again.
open up some 86 fleer basketball packs....don't waste your time on 87 topps
 
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I can't support Zaire with numbers. It is a contradiction of sorts. My eyeball test of Zaire from 2015 is leading my beliefs, which might be wrong.

I'm open to that possibility.

Are you kidding me? You lambaste poster after poster for not providing stastical evidence that Buechele did not suck last year, and you drop this? What a joke.
 
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I thought we were discussing SB's performance from 2016 vs Colt McCoy from 2007.
I said this: "|I believe he can get there. Hell, everyone believed Colt would take off in 2007 after his 2006 year and he proved that he still needed another year, which means that he didn't really hit his high as a player until his fourth season as a quarterback in Austin."

You then said, "Colt had one hell of a lot better surrounding cast and coaching than Buechelle."

That's what started the conversation. I was speaking of Colt's sophomore season being proof that positive jumps from freshman season to sophomore season don't happen just because.
 
Are you kidding me? You lambaste poster after poster for not providing stastical evidence that Buechele did not suck last year, and you drop this? What a joke.
a. I lambaste posters after poster for not having a true grasp of Buechele's freshman season.
b. I didn't drop anything. I'm quite open that Zaire is unproven and that my thoughts on him are largely based on where I thought he was headed as a player in 2015.

This is what honesty looks like. There's no hidden ball trick.

Frankly, the two things have nothing do with each other directly.
 
I said this: "|I believe he can get there. Hell, everyone believed Colt would take off in 2007 after his 2006 year and he proved that he still needed another year, which means that he didn't really hit his high as a player until his fourth season as a quarterback in Austin."

You then said, "Colt had one hell of a lot better surrounding cast and coaching than Buechelle."

That's what started the conversation. I was speaking of Colt's sophomore season being proof that positive jumps from freshman season to sophomore season don't happen just because.
Ahhh, OK ,I misunderstood your take. SB looked so much more confident in the Spring game I'll think he'll progress
and avoid the sophmore slump. He had a little swagger to him, kinda like Colt.
I know Tom hasn't been heaping the praise on him, but he's very coy. You don't really know if his apparent unhappiness
with the QB situation is real or if he's using motivation techniques. Anyway , hopefully we're comparing SB favorably to Colt before long.
 
He can still become Colt (whose career numbers are somewhat overrated).

Your comment is nonsensical. Out of the thousands of players who have played Div 1 QB. he's 12th in passing yards, 12th in TDs, 2nd in completion percentage etc...

How is it possible to "overrate" these numbers? Who overrates them?
 
a. I lambaste posters after poster for not having a true grasp of Buechele's freshman season.
b. I didn't drop anything. I'm quite open that Zaire is unproven and that my thoughts on him are largely based on where I thought he was headed as a player in 2015.

This is what honesty looks like. There's no hidden ball trick.

Frankly, the two things have nothing do with each other directly.

They are related when you pull the "show me the evidence" card on one QB, but turn around and use the eyeball test for the other. Just admit you took the easy way out because you have no valid argument for your statement that Zaire would be a better option this year at QB.

Lets recap this magical 2015 year you speak off. He lit up the worst d in the nation to start off the season. He than proceeded to lay a huge egg against a horrible Virginia team before he got hurt. Its probably a good thing he got hurt in that game, so the better QB could come in and actually lead them to victory. He was 7/18 for 115 yds in that game. This is what leads you to believe he was on his way to a breakout year? Those 7 quarters? Like I said, what a joke.
 
Your comment is nonsensical. Out of the thousands of players who have played Div 1 QB. he's 12th in passing yards, 12th in TDs, 2nd in completion percentage etc...

How is it possible to "overrate" these numbers? Who overrates them?
Do you disagree that he had one special season, one very good season and two uneven seasons?
 
They are related when you pull the "show me the evidence" card on one QB, but turn around and use the eyeball test for the other. Just admit you took the easy way out because you have no valid argument for your statement that Zaire would be a better option this year at QB.

Lets recap this magical 2015 year you speak off. He lit up the worst d in the nation to start off the season. He than proceeded to lay a huge egg against a horrible Virginia team before he got hurt. Its probably a good thing he got hurt in that game, so the better QB could come in and actually lead them to victory. He was 7/18 for 115 yds in that game. This is what leads you to believe he was on his way to a breakout year? Those 7 quarters? Like I said, what a joke.
There are multiple conversations taking place.

It's kind of a joke that you're touching the corners of the context in play, while kind of misrepresenting my comments in the process.

You calling his 2015 season magical is your wording not mine. I simply stated I thought he was headed towards a big year and was on his way to becoming a star for the Irish before becoming injured that season.
 
There are multiple conversations taking place.

It's kind of a joke that you're touching the corners of the context in play, while kind of misrepresenting my comments in the process.

You calling his 2015 season magical is your wording not mine. I simply stated I thought he was headed towards a big year and was on his way to becoming a star for the Irish before becoming injured that season.

What I read 9 pages for, and probably why I am being onery, is the why. You have gone to great lengths to tell us why we should pump the brakes on Buechele, but not what gets you all warm and fuzzy about Zaire. I agree with everything you have said so far about Shane, what I don't agree with is your thoughts on Zaire. Mainly because you are not giving your thoughts. Just reasons why you are not buying Buechele. TBH after watching the Virginia game two years ago, and his abysmal performance against Texas, I just don't see it. I see a situation where a talented player has little to no game film to show all of his warts. Its like passing judgement on Shane after only watching the ND and Cal games.

Can you please elaborate on one question. What are you seeing that leads you to believe he is a better option? Please don't tell me your gut.
 
What I read 9 pages for, and probably why I am being onery, is the why. You have gone to great lengths to tell us why we should pump the brakes on Buechele, but not what gets you all warm and fuzzy about Zaire. I agree with everything you have said so far about Shane, what I don't agree with is your thoughts on Zaire. Mainly because you are not giving your thoughts. Just reasons why you are not buying Buechele. TBH after watching the Virginia game two years ago, and his abysmal performance against Texas, I just don't see it. I see a situation where a talented player has little to no game film to show all of his warts. Its like passing judgement on Shane after only watching the ND and Cal games.

Can you please elaborate on one question. What are you seeing that leads you to believe he is a better option? Please don't tell me your gut.
It probably has more to do with where I think Shane is right now. I'm not convinced that he's ready for what is going to be expected of him. The fact that Zaire is in his fifth year gives me reason, although not supported by real supporting data, that he is more prepared for this season.

I don't know how much certainty there is behind that thought, as I'm sure Herman likely is having the same conversation with himself and his staff.
 
so, we're on the same page.

In general, Colt is regarded as one of the all-time greats at the position, but his performances by season don't really support... not completely anyways.

That's all I'm saying that his raw numbers probably present an incomplete picture.
 
It probably has more to do with where I think Shane is right now. I'm not convinced that he's ready for what is going to be expected of him. The fact that Zaire is in his fifth year gives me reason, although not supported by real supporting data, that he is more prepared for this season.

I don't know how much certainty there is behind that thought, as I'm sure Herman likely is having the same conversation with himself and his staff.

Technically Shane is the more experienced real game QB, so what attributes/experience do you think Zaire may bring that give him the edge? Is it the body build of an older guy like Zaire? Are there any similarities in the offenses Kelly was running and what Herman would like to run? If I remember correctly ND was a downhill running/spread offense. Just don't remember if it is closer to Briles or Urban.Last, how much is put on the QB for calling/changing plays at the line, or is this done from the sidelines? The reason I ask that is because I think this is where an older player could really hold an edge. Don't remember much looking to the sideline in the spring game.


You don't have to answer these questions now, but I would love to hear thoughts on some of these in the future.
 
Technically Shane is the more experienced real game QB, so what attributes/experience do you think Zaire may bring that give him the edge?
Five years of preparation for the moment. He's 22. Shane played last season when he should have redshirted and I think Zaire being in college 3-4 more years might make him more ready.

Is it the body build of an older guy like Zaire?
I think physical preparation is part of it. He's definitely more ready to handle the rigors of what Herman is about to ask his starting quarterback to pull off. Of course, Zaire hasn't proven he can be a 12-game starter, either, so that's an argument that we could spend round and round on.

Are there any similarities in the offenses Kelly was running and what Herman would like to run? If I remember correctly ND was a downhill running/spread offense.
There are certainly some concepts that both offenses shared, which is one of the reasons why I'm sure that Herman has an interest. The fact that Zaire is better suited to give Texas more of a run option from the quarterback position is a factor.

Last, how much is put on the QB for calling/changing plays at the line, or is this done from the sidelines? The reason I ask that is because I think this is where an older player could really hold an edge. Don't remember much looking to the sideline in the spring game.

An experienced quarterback would carry more of those responsibilities. At this point, they are walking with Shane and not running with him. I think both players would have to prove they could handle that. Not sure I give Zaire the free advantage there.
 
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Your comment is nonsensical. Out of the thousands of players who have played Div 1 QB. he's 12th in passing yards, 12th in TDs, 2nd in completion percentage etc...

How is it possible to "overrate" these numbers? Who overrates them?

If you really want a good laugh, compare Colt's numbers to Peyton Manning.
 
If you really want a good laugh, compare Colt's numbers to Peyton Manning.
Manning's career at Tennessee is so weird. From a rating standpoint, the numbers were almost the same each year. The fact that he didn't play in the offenses that arrived in the next decade didn't help. Like Colt, he had one year that was out of this world (even if the overall rating doesn't hold up in 2017), one very good year and two that were non-memorable.
 
i haven't read all the replies but two things come to mind :

1. How do you mention Seminole and not bring up the great Chris Ogden ?

2. I think bobby bowdens run at fla st would compare favorably to Mack's run of bringing in talent. Mack followed Bobbys blueprint to a T with the exception of getting that 2nd natty that Bowden got with Peter Warwick and co. in '99
 
i haven't read all the replies but two things come to mind :

1. How do you mention Seminole and not bring up the great Chris Ogden ?

2. I think bobby bowdens run at fla st would compare favorably to Mack's run of bringing in talent. Mack followed Bobbys blueprint to a T with the exception of getting that 2nd natty that Bowden got with Peter Warwick and co. in '99
1. I remember seeing Chris Ogden in the state tournament his senior year. Man, that had to have been a long bus ride.

2. Bobby's was different. Mack's accomplishments are centered around what he did in the state of Texas and how he was able to change the way an entire state handled the recruiting process.
 
I'm glad you said this. There are a lot of folks on this site with plenty of perspective on UT recruiting, but it feels like the people covering recruiting on various Texas based premium sites lack it to some extent. They don't remember what it was like from 1984-1997, and how Mack Brown changed the paradigm. That's not to take anything away from what Herman can do. In fact, one of the things Mack Brown never did was take advantage of Texas having a nationally recognized brand. It's obvious that's the direction Herman wants to go.

But Brown came into the region recruiting with such a shock and awe campaign. He completely wiped away any stigma surrounding the program for inner city kids who associated Texas with the legacy of the 60s to some degree. He galvanized the university into seeing what a successful football program could do for the school in a way that opened eyes that needed to be opened. He made Texas the cool school in such a dominating fashion that left RC Slocum and A&M recruiting coordinator Tim Cassidy starving for oxygen.

Charlie Strong benefitted from that legacy, and now Tom Herman is to. Which is not to take away with what is going on in the program right now. Tom Herman is challenging everyone to keep up with his vision, whereas Mack Brown was more of a schmoozer. I relate to Tom Herman's approach a lot more, and feel confident it's going to bring about an unprecedented level of success.

But I like you giving credit to Mack Brown for both the challenges he faced as well as his astounding ability to eclipse them.
No doubt true.
But we need to win conference championships. I think we will under Herman.
 
I'm glad you said this. There are a lot of folks on this site with plenty of perspective on UT recruiting, but it feels like the people covering recruiting on various Texas based premium sites lack it to some extent. They don't remember what it was like from 1984-1997, and how Mack Brown changed the paradigm. That's not to take anything away from what Herman can do. In fact, one of the things Mack Brown never did was take advantage of Texas having a nationally recognized brand. It's obvious that's the direction Herman wants to go.

But Brown came into the region recruiting with such a shock and awe campaign. He completely wiped away any stigma surrounding the program for inner city kids who associated Texas with the legacy of the 60s to some degree. He galvanized the university into seeing what a successful football program could do for the school in a way that opened eyes that needed to be opened. He made Texas the cool school in such a dominating fashion that left RC Slocum and A&M recruiting coordinator Tim Cassidy starving for oxygen.

Charlie Strong benefitted from that legacy, and now Tom Herman is to. Which is not to take away with what is going on in the program right now. Tom Herman is challenging everyone to keep up with his vision, whereas Mack Brown was more of a schmoozer. I relate to Tom Herman's approach a lot more, and feel confident it's going to bring about an unprecedented level of success.

But I like you giving credit to Mack Brown for both the challenges he faced as well as his astounding ability to eclipse them.
No doubt true.
But we need to win conference championships. I think we will under Herman.

Hey Shaka, take note:
There's a kid here playing up on under 17's as a sophomore , close to UT named
Charles Bassey all th coaches r watching he is 6'11" from San Antonio n what potential he offers! Go get'em!
 
Hey Shaka, take note:
There's a kid here playing up on under 17's as a sophomore , close to UT named
Charles Bassey all th coaches r watching he is 6'11" from San Antonio n what potential he offers! Go get'em!
 
I'm sorry I just read all this Ketchum bs argument. I'm really hoping someone stole Ketchs login and that's where this came from? Because this Ketch couldn't be anymore clueless on this subject.
 
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