Ketch's 10 Thoughts From the Weekend ("Charlie's guys" have taken over)

[texaspaulo]

Except he really wasn't. At least he wasn't as good as Simms' optimal level of play.

This is really the heart of it. Absolutely Simms had a higher ceiling, and absolutely he demonstrated inability to achieve that ceiling, particularly in the most crucial moments. Applewhite sustained a higher level of play particularly in big games. So while your analysis (and frankly the analysis of the coaching staff at the time) that Simms was "better" is technically correct, that better-ness came against the fluff and fat of the schedule, and he disappeared (or worse) in big games. Give me a "worse" QB who can win in the clutch than the pretty boy with the "right" size and arm who runs it up against Kansas but can't beat Colorado when it counts.

 

[Ketchum]

I understand Cam Newton being disappointed but he really came off as a petulant child in that "interview". I hate that the mantle of NFL superstar is being passed from a class guy like Manning to that guy. Dancing and posing on the sideline every win then can't speak to the media in a loss....low character.

He's got to be better than that. You have to be your best at your worst.

 

[Txhorns10]

A few thoughts.

a. I respect your opinion, but I don't think it embodies the overall and completeness of quality that our support team provides.

b. Our customer service team is incredibly well-versed in our business, what is going on with the site, what we've written, etc... From a retention standpoint, they do a very good job.

c. I would say as often as 6-10 times per day I have people in need of help with all kinds of random things and the likes of Lyndsay Lee or John Talman will step in and take care of that person very quickly.

d. Overall, I receive far more people commenting on the help they received and their thankfullness for it than I receive poor reviews.

To be fair, any time i would call customer service during their hours, no one ever answered. It would just keep ringing for days. Had to ask you or Such to help me out

 

[ball911]

@Ketchum The hard thing for CS won't be if Gilbert comes to him and says Swoopes is our guy. The hard call for CS will be if Gilbert says Texas needs to start a freshman at QB against ND.

 

[Ketchum]

Major was a winner. At least at the college level. He didn't have Simm's arm, but he made up for it with his football smarts. He knew how to win. Chris threw way too many interceptions at critical times. Can't believe you think it's clear Simm's over Applewhite.

a. I think it's very close between the two.

b. Major was a winner that lost quite a few big games, some of them in quite embarrassing fashion.

c. I'll take the Simms on the road at Kansas State or in the Cotton Bowl vs. LSU vs. any of Major's work against elite teams/defenses.

 

[Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer]

Soccer now making a regular appearance. The threat is growing. My work here is done!

P.S. Leiscester is such a great story.

 

[Ketchum]

I was wrong about the SB - Cam let the moment get the better of him. He didn't handle the pressure well and his body language was shit for most of the game. He's got some growing up to do. Also, the Denver D deserves most of the credit for turning super man into turnover man. He was so shell shocked, he said f-it and didn't even try to recover the 4th quarter fumble.

Impressive win by Denver -

At some point, we have to figure out where to rank this Denver D among the all-time great defenses because it belongs in that discussion.

 

[Ketchum]

ok, so we got your word now right Ketch? Done blaming everyone except for CS?

I've stopped blaming other people after year one.

 

[Ketchum]

The NFL also believed Johnny Freaking Football was a NFL quarterback, sometimes they get it wrong.

Chris Simms was a starting quarterback for a playoff team until he nearly lost his life spilling his guts on the field.

 

[RLong68]

Ketch, I went back through the war room post about the 2016 roster and I think you have miscounted somewhere.

I get the following totals by classification:
15 Seniors (Swoopes, Warrick, Bluiett, Perkins, Boyette, Norman, Cottrell, Vasser, Santos, Cole, Echols, Haines, Colbert, Vaccaro, Jordan)
14 Juniors (D.Foreman, A.Foreman, Joe, Leonard, Bernard, Oliver, Whitely, Beck, Hodges, Nickelson, Ford, Hughes, Davis, Hall)

I also got 27 sophomores, 6 redshirt freshmen, and 24 freshmen, just like you did.

But if you add up 15+14+27+6+24 you get 86.

Maybe you are counting Templin and Ashby as seniors? I thought those were only year by year scholarships that were only given because we had room numbers wise last year. I think that even with that there is still a Junior that you are counting as a Senior in your totals.

I don't think Charlie is going move them back to walk on status. There won't be a problem room-wise for them to keep a schollie one last season. Ashby is our starting DS. Hell, I can think of a lot more current folks who have done nothing but chew up a schollie for a hell of lot longer than Templin and Ashby, and less deserving to keep.

 

[texaspaulo]

I guess. He lost a lot of big games, too.

Really? Which ones?

While it's interesting that the stats might be close between the two, Applewhite is never remembered as failing in key moments the way Simms did (Roy Williams interception, entire Colorado game). I'd enjoy hearing your counterpoints to where Applewhite duffed it in a key moment.

 

[Ketchum]

What's the over/under on how many games go by before we hear from the coaching staff about a lack of senior leadership on the team? Is that a legit excuse for next year?

Cause once that starts, we're back to the Mack guys vs. Charlies guys discussion

It's his third year. It's time for Charlie to fly.

 

[RLong68]

Cultists alive and well this morning. 15 years later they are still going strong. Impressive. Can someone cut and paste that "Day in the Life?"

 

[Ketchum]

Applewhite sustained a higher level of play particularly in big games.

1999 Big 12 title game
1999 KSU
2000 Cotton Bowl vs. Arkansas
2000 Oklahoma

You forget about those big games?

 

[Ketchum]

To be fair, any time i would call customer service during their hours, no one ever answered. It would just keep ringing for days. Had to ask you or Such to help me out

I would offer that I get very few emails that express that type of sentiment. I'm not saying that that department doesn't have bad days where they get swamped with calls, but I don't get a lot of emails or complaints that it happens.

 

[Ketchum]

@Ketchum The hard thing for CS won't be if Gilbert comes to him and says Swoopes is our guy. The hard call for CS will be if Gilbert says Texas needs to start a freshman at QB against ND.

I think Charlie will be down for that. It would be one of HIS guys. He'll lose with them before he lets the others bring him down.

 

[RLong68]

Really? Which ones?

While it's interesting that the stats might be close between the two, Applewhite is never remembered as failing in key moments the way Simms did (Roy Williams interception, entire Colorado game). I'd enjoy hearing your counterpoints to where Applewhite duffed it in a key moment.

Well, let's see here.

1. 6 TOs in Austin against KSU in '99.
2. late pick against aggy in '99 after he came in WITH the lead.
3. absolute no-show against Nebraska in '99 title game.
4. piss poor before knee injury against arkie in subsequent cotton bowl
5. played like crap in Palo Alto during a bad loss to Stanford in '00
6. Played like crap in start against OU that ended up 63-14.

But please, feel free to ignore those.

 

[KeepAustinGeared]

@Ketchum - you mentioned that Texas will be involved in Marvin Wilson's recruitment til the very end. Who do you see as the biggest threat to land his commitment?

 

[Txhorns10]

I would offer that I get very few emails that express that type of sentiment. I'm not saying that that department doesn't have bad days where they get swamped with calls, but I don't get a lot of emails or complaints that it happens.

It happened a while back so its probably gotten better. Just frustrated me that i couldn't get my call answered

 

[Ketchum]

I don't think Charlie is going move them back to walk on status. There won't be a problem room-wise for them to keep a schollie one last season. Ashby is our starting DS. Hell, I can think of a lot more current folks who have done nothing but chew up a schollie for a hell of lot longer than Templin and Ashby, and less deserving to keep.

1,000,000-percent agree

 

[Ketchum]

Really? Which ones?

While it's interesting that the stats might be close between the two, Applewhite is never remembered as failing in key moments the way Simms did (Roy Williams interception, entire Colorado game). I'd enjoy hearing your counterpoints to where Applewhite duffed it in a key moment.

I've said it about 10 times in this thread

1999 KSU (humiliated - 19 of 37 for 271 yards, 1 touchdown, 3 interceptions and three fumbles)
1999 Big 12 title game (disaster) 15 of 42 for 172 yards, 0 touchdowns and 3 interceptions)
2000 Cotton Bowl (more humiliation) 15 of 21 for 121 yards and zero touchdowns before his injury)
2000 OU (One of the worst losses in school history) 9 of 18 for 98 yards and an interception before being benched.

 

[sodiumacetate]

A few thoughts.

a. I respect your opinion, but I don't think it embodies the overall and completeness of quality that our support team provides.

b. Our customer service team is incredibly well-versed in our business, what is going on with the site, what we've written, etc... From a retention standpoint, they do a very good job.

c. I would say as often as 6-10 times per day I have people in need of help with all kinds of random things and the likes of Lyndsay Lee or John Talman will step in and take care of that person very quickly.

d. Overall, I receive far more people commenting on the help they received and their thankfullness for it than I receive poor reviews.

I was merely posting my personal experience. Usually it takes 2 or 3 tries before the phone is actually answered. Once, there was an error on rival's end not allowing me to access the boards. When I was talking to "Jenny" I mentioned that there was a Texas junior day the next day so it was important for it to be resolved quickly and she asked why I needed access before Monday if the markets didn't open again until then.

It's not that much different than any other customer service call centers located overseas, but I shouldn't have to reach out to you or Suchomel every time there's a problem... you guys have more than enough on your plates already.

 

[Txhorns10]

What are you more excited about ketch? The finish of Shaka's first season, the upcoming football season or the potentially terrific 2017 recruiting class?

 

[Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer]

Chris Simms was a starting quarterback for a playoff team until he nearly lost his life spilling his guts on the field.

Should have been a game winning drive with a ruptured spleen I believe it was.

 

[BrobaFapp]

Some people don't understand the business aspects of running your operation. Most don't understand the complexities of such a large operation and don't realize it isn't as simple as it appears to be. I think you do a great job considering all of the other outside influences that affect the quality of your product. Looking forward to a great year.

agreed

 

[Fanofhorns]

I haven't read one of these in forever but I had a buddy alert me to a litter of applewhite cultist getting their panties in a wad. Did not disappoint. Maybe I will have to start reading these again. Lol just kidding.

 

[BrobaFapp]

Tate is not as good as Sam IMO

I don't believe Martell will stay a five-star. He's basically Drew Tate IMO. Has a chance to be a nice college player, but his ranking mystifies me.

I agree, i don't think he will stay a 5* as well based on his size. Correct me if i am wrong but i know Murray was a Rivals 5* for a long time, did he not ultimately finish with a high 4* ranking? I also think Tate will decommit from aggy before the end of the year, probably late in the year. But would you attribute his current 5* ranking to playing because he plays for one of the top private programs in the country stacked with D1 talent, and maybe because he is committed to the SEC who Rivals apparently just loves. He is also older then Sam because he was held back a year and has one of the best QB coaches out there.

 

[sodiumacetate]

I would offer that I get very few emails that express that type of sentiment. I'm not saying that that department doesn't have bad days where they get swamped with calls, but I don't get a lot of emails or complaints that it happens.

I would never think to email you about the customer service team not doing their job. Why would I?

Rivals/Yahoo knows most of us aren't going anywhere because of the online community aspect. That's why it took them almost a decade to upgrade the board software, the app they put out recently is about as bare bones an effort as you will ever see, and there have been years and years of empty promises about improving the experience for the end user. I understand why you are staying with them, but I know you also understand that there is very little love for rivals/yahoo within this community.

Calling the service number always reminds me of the old discover commercials:

 

[Mr Poon]

In number three, I think you means which 2016 recruits will play in 2016, not 2017.

 

[Ketchum]

Well, let's see here.

1. 6 TOs in Austin against KSU in '99.
2. late pick against aggy in '99 after he came in WITH the lead.
3. absolute no-show against Nebraska in '99 title game.
4. piss poor before knee injury against arkie in subsequent cotton bowl
5. played like crap in Palo Alto during a bad loss to Stanford in '00
6. Played like crap in start against OU that ended up 63-14.

But please, feel free to ignore those.

even more, almost all of that occurred in a single 14 game stretch.

 

[Sunheightshorn]

Well, let's see here.

1. 6 TOs in Austin against KSU in '99.
2. late pick against aggy in '99 after he came in WITH the lead.
3. absolute no-show against Nebraska in '99 title game.
4. piss poor before knee injury against arkie in subsequent cotton bowl
5. played like crap in Palo Alto during a bad loss to Stanford in '00
6. Played like crap in start against OU that ended up 63-14.

But please, feel free to ignore those.

On point for all 6. Probably get hammered for this but I think he quit against KSU in 99.

 

[majorapplewhite]

Chris Simms was a starting quarterback for a playoff team until he nearly lost his life spilling his guts on the field.

Doesn't matter, please repeat our cult chant "Major, Major, Major.......OU Sucks" now do the secret handshake, and watch the video over and over.



Welcome my brother here drink this it's called Majoraide, good stuff. It will help you see the truth.

 

[Pho King Master]

I've said it about 10 times in this thread

1999 KSU (humiliated - 19 of 37 for 271 yards, 1 touchdown, 3 interceptions and three fumbles) - That was a K State team that throttled everyone that year. Don't think any other QB could have or actually did fare any better. They held opponents to 235 ypg that year and Applewhite alone threw for 271.
1999 Big 12 title game (disaster) 15 of 42 for 172 yards, 0 touchdowns and 3 interceptions) - that was the worst play by our offensive line in a big game, maybe ever, only rivaled by the performance in the 2009 Big XII Championship game.
2000 Cotton Bowl (more humiliation) 15 of 21 for 121 yards and zero touchdowns before his injury) - Simms wasn't much better. 9 for 18 for 91 yards and sacked 3 times. Hodges Mitchell ran 13 times for 39 yards.
2000 OU (One of the worst losses in school history) 9 of 18 for 98 yards and an interception before being benched.

- Simms was 11 for 23 for 63 yards with an interception in that same game.

Ketchum, post: 4652943, member: 20"]I've said it about 10 times in this thread

1999 KSU (humiliated - 19 of 37 for 271 yards, 1 touchdown, 3 interceptions and three fumbles) - That was a K State team that throttled everyone that year. Don't think any other QB could have or actually did fare any better. They held opponents to 235 ypg that year and Applewhite alone threw for 271.
1999 Big 12 title game (disaster) 15 of 42 for 172 yards, 0 touchdowns and 3 interceptions) - that was the worst play by our offensive line in a big game, maybe ever, only rivaled by the performance in the 2009 Big XII Championship game.
2000 Cotton Bowl (more humiliation) 15 of 21 for 121 yards and zero touchdowns before his injury) - Simms wasn't much better. 9 for 18 for 91 yards and sacked 3 times. Hodges Mitchell ran 13 times for 39 yards.
2000 OU (One of the worst losses in school history) 9 of 18 for 98 yards and an interception before being benched.[/QUOTE] - Simms was 11 for 23 for 63 yards with an interception in that same game.

 

[WTexasHorn]

Simms was only 26-6 as a starter at Texas, only good for #4 all time, which was #2 all time behind Bobby Layne at the time before VY and Colt came along.

Major was 22-8 (#8) all time behind Colt, VY, Layne, Simms, Akins, JB, and Gardere. He also compiled 10 of those wins throwing against continuous stacked fronts and man coverage because of some Heisman trophy winning RB standing behind him.

I love Major to death. Even moreso as a coach. I still think his best days are ahead in his career. But this argument by Simms haters is just that...fueled by hate, jealousy, and a shit ton of revisionist history. Yes he dropped some turds in his shorts on the field, but no more than Major did and his record was better. QBs are judged by WINS. All of this 'Major was just a winner' stuff....well newsflash, Simms did more of it and lost less. No amount of whining about it will change this.

But forget the wins/records/stats/everything else, the fact Texas fans continue to treat Simms as some bastard outcast is f'ing retarded considering the long lasting, enormous impact he had on the program. AT THE VERY LEAST, he was THE reason for the ascension of Texas football from the moment he flipped from Rocky Top. Few if none of those offensive weapons, as well as the defensive blues that followed, sign if he doesn't come to Texas. Subsequently, Texas isn't Texas of the Mack era without him, PERIOD. Dude was the ultimate pied piper. Wake the f up Applecultist.

 

[majorapplewhite]

Simms was only 26-6 as a starter at Texas, only good for #4 all time, which was #2 all time behind Bobby Layne at the time before VY and Colt came along.

Major was 22-8 (#8) all time behind Colt, VY, Layne, Simms, Akins, JB, and Gardere. He also compiled 10 of those wins throwing against continuous stacked fronts and man coverage because of some Heisman trophy winning RB standing behind him.

I love Major to death. Even moreso as a coach. I still think his best days are ahead in his career. But this argument by Simms haters is just that...fueled by hate, jealousy, and a shit ton of revisionist history. Yes he dropped some turds in his shorts on the field, but no more than Major did and his record was better. QBs are judged by WINS. Simms did more of it. No amount of whining about it will change this.

But forget the wins/records/stats/everything else, the fact Texas fans continue to treat Simms as some bastard outcast is f'ing retarded considering the long lasting, enormous impact he had on the program. AT THE VERY LEAST, he was THE reason for the ascension of Texas football from the moment he flipped from Rocky Top. Few if none of those offensive weapons, as well as the defensive blues that followed, sign if he doesn't come to Texas. Subsequently, Texas isn't Texas of the Mack era without him, PERIOD. Dude was the ultimate pied piper. Wake the f up Applecultist.

They both played for Texas, love them both. I just like Major more because he did more with less. I like overachievers.

That's all.

As to who was the better quarterback, well unfortunately its a close call.