Ketch's 10 Thoughts From the Weekend (Development matters, even more than recruiting...)
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I would love to suffer from premature extension
Truer words have never been spoken.
We laugh at Aggy but they pushed all the chips in with a NC winning coach. They took a chance on a winner with real skins.
Texas never flexes that kind of muscle.
Sure, CDC made a mistake with the extension and we have not seen him make any hard decisions but the betting here is he will turn out to be the best AD we have ever had.
I know someone already posted Dabo.
Apparently, Rhule isn't too shabby at it.
Belichick is at the top. You still have to develop in the NFL too. It's the same for all sports.
Thinking you can just recruit guys to a program and expecting them to perform at the highest level because someone says they are supposed too doesn't understand how it really works.
I'm glad to see that a recruiting specialist such as Ketchum is starting to get that development is a major piece in the whole puzzle.
Let's go back even further.
Early 80s, Aggy makes the FIRST big-time/big-money hire in Sherrill. Young folks today have ZERO idea of how big that hire was. Sherrill was a big success at Pitt which at that time was considered a big-time program. THey stayed in-house for his successor in Slocum, but hen thired away Franchione from ALABAMA. Of course, 'Bama was going to get hit harder than initially thought by sanctions, but still, aggy had ZERO problem hiring Franchione away from ALABAMA. Then after Fran, they plucked Mike Sherman who had been a damn good NFL HC. Then Sumlin. Then of course the huge play for Fisher.
Also, that Sherrill train paid off for years even after he left. They rode that momentum after he left in 88 for another 6 or 7 years of football they would die for again.
Forgot about getting Fran from Bama.
Texas just makes you shake your head at times.
Certainly not Jimbo. He is a fraud and we are kicking the shit out of him in recruiting.
Correct, not popular..
I think Major is highly over rated as a coach..
Glad he’s not coming back..
The Strong guys were definitely good... and they were seasoned. That's the issue.
Depth is not there yet with an all-sophomore cast except Jones, Roach, and Graham, essentially. Thompson and McCulloch were hurt most of the year.
Charles O. (Sr.)
Kris Boyd (Sr.)
Davante Davis (Sr.)
Gary Johnson (actually a Herman guy but a senior)
Anthony Wheeler (Sr.)
PJ Locke (Sr.)
Chris Nelson (Sr.)
Chris Brown was a sophomore and look at his leap in his junior year before he got hurt.
At QB and most defensive positions, experience is huge.
Brah, don't get on this board when we improve massively next year on defense.
All the seniors we lost on defense this year were pretty damn bad as sophomores.
To wit, these were common observations if you'll recall:
Charles O. (So.) – He's got a frame and potential, but when will the light come on?
Kris Boyd (So.) – Got beat routinely just like Green
Davante Davis (So.) – Got beat routinely just like Boyce
Anthony Wheeler (So.) – Overran the play almost every time
PJ Locke (So.) – Not athletic enough to play nickel (still wasn't as a senior but he knew the position)
Chris Nelson (So.) – Total JAG
Holton Hill (So.) – Stud, tbh... was a killer the next year before he effed up
So then you agree that the solution isn't just that Herman needs more time to recruit top players and we will be fine?
He inherited good players and has recruited back to back top 5 classes. The issue is that they're not being coached up and they're not being put in a position to succeed.
No, I don't agree that he needs more time to recruit... I think all those sophomores that HAD to start and play every snap this year, need more time to cook and develop instead of have to play CB, e.g., against players like Mims and Tylan Wallace.
Do you think we wanted to start all those guys on defense?
Do you think Tyler Owens should have even been on the field against TCU?
If we are doing so great at recruiting vs ATM, if that’s really true, why does it not translate to victories over MD, TCU, Baylor, ISU, etc...
Why are we 6-5 in year 3 if it’s really true that we are kicking the crud out of ATM..
On the field, I do not see it..
I also don’t want Jimbo, but I do NOT see this butt kicking you speak of, it’s certainly NOT evident on the field of play.
I’m sure he didn’t, but his job is to get players ready. It’s not like they were surprised that 8 players graduated on defense. Other programs don’t suck every other year because of graduation. And none of that touches the offensive problems
Actually most teams that aren't in the upper echelon because of sustained development and recruiting do "suck" every other year. "Suck" being defined as inconsistent.
Just look at others in our conference, with OU being the only exception.
Other examples relevant to us right now: Michigan, Michigan State, Oregon, Nebraska, Miami, FSU, et al... the list is pretty long.
Those that don't "suck" every other year: Bama, Clemson (now after many seasons), tOSU, OU (beat last year), Georgia (beat last year), Penn State (*maybe*), and I suppose Florida.
LSU looks like they will be in that top tier now but they were pretty inconsistent before last year. (8-5, 9-3, 8-4, 9-4).
I didn't even watch the Texas game, just read the updates and box score. Who wants to watch that painful s***. I watched about a third of Dallas game including most of the 4 quarter while making dinner for my kids. I was so unemotional after the last 4 down play, it was kind of scary. I've got no emotions left to invest in either team until changes are made in both head coaches. Otherwise, it will be same old same old.
You clearly don't actually follow recruiting on this board so, there's no point in discussing that with you. Do your homework and then we can talk about the recruiting angle. From a "winning on the field" aspect, Jimbo hasn't been winning since 2015 and there are MANY Coaches that would be a better option.
$20M to buyout CTH
$3-5M to buyout assistant coaches.
Urban is going to get...$8-10M/year?
Urban's assistants will probably get another $8M/year (Ohio State's staff is getting $7.5M this year).
So year 1 of Urban's reign in fall of 2020 will cost about $40M
I think it really is a money thing
I don't think the assistant coaches would cost that much. Just an FYI.
