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Ketch's 10 Thoughts From the Weekend (FIRE!!!!!!!!)

typically, yes. In this instance, very true.

says everyone who makes that statement...

IMO there is simply no excuse for that one can have after those kind of tirades at an official. You've given up your right to complain about the penalty or tossed.

On top of that, when the originating infraction is admitted to, it makes even less sense to continue trying to defend.
 
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Wow! May I suggest we all step back for a moment, take a deep breath, and remember that all of us on this site are basically family,
or at least friends.

McCallum '58


I believe you are needed on the "lurker thread."
 
Kind of looking forward to the predictions this week. I may be the only one that feels Texas wins this weekend. A true Freshman QB on the road vs Todd Orlando. I’ll take Orlando. 24-17 good guys
 
says everyone who makes that statement...

IMO there is simply no excuse for that one can have after those kind of tirades at an official. You've given up your right to complain about the penalty or tossed.

On top of that, when the originating infraction is admitted to, it makes even less sense to continue trying to defend.
good grief. don't be referee guy. Nobody came there to see him. There's a reason why the crowd booed and it wasn't because of Serena.
 
Kind of looking forward to the predictions this week. I may be the only one that feels Texas wins this weekend. A true Freshman QB on the road vs Todd Orlando. I’ll take Orlando. 24-17 good guys
That could easily happen.
 
good grief. don't be referee guy. Nobody came there to see him. There's a reason why the crowd booed and it wasn't because of Serena.

Call me what you want. Crowd is ALWAYS going to be for a player/team against the ref unless it's against the home team or hated player, which clearly does not apply here, so I give that little credibility or thought.

In every sport I can think of or have ever watched there's certain lines of player/coach behavior towards an official. A lot of it is written and a lot unwritten. If you watch her response and don't think she put herself in a place to be addressed, than I disagree.
 
I feel like we've had more than enough male representation on the Serena subject. How about a female perspective?

Here's a piece from Claire McNear of The Ringer

It seems absurd that Serena Williams should still be fighting anything.

How could she be? She, who was anointed by Nike in the weeks leading up to the U.S. Open as a champion beyond the confines of a single tournament, not to mention a mother-warrior par excellence. Who has won 23 Grand Slam titles and taken on all the rest of it: the legions of adoring fans, the magazine covers, the sponsorships, the fame, the gravitas. That she is the greatest athlete ever is less a pot-stirring ad campaign than a truism now. It feels preposterous that she should feel that the system—the one she has dominated like no one in tennis history—is working against her, or that, for someone of her singular accomplishments, bickering over points or games could be anything more than a question of sportsmanship.

And yet, as Williams lost in two sets to Japan’s Naomi Osaka in Saturday’s U.S. Open final, thanks in part to a trio of deeply contentious decisions by chair umpire Carlos Ramos, she framed her outrage as the latest development in an ongoing battle. “I’m here fighting for women’s rights and for women’s equality and for all kinds of stuff,” she said after the match. During the trophy presentation, both players wept. It did not feel like anyone’s victory.

We will talk about that ugly end to the Open for a long time, along with what it meant for Williams, whose loss has kept her for now from tying Margaret Court’s all-time Grand Slam record, and the 20-year-old Osaka, whose brilliant play against her idol was overshadowed by the tumult of Williams’s loss. We will talk about the specifics of Ramos’s judgments as well: the warning early in the second set when Williams’s coach, Patrick Mouratoglou, motioned to her from the the player’s box to indicate she should move in toward the net; the point penalty assessed later in the set after Williams broke her racket following Osaka breaking serve; and the final code violation for verbal abuse after Williams repeatedly demanded an apology from Ramos for the initial coaching violation and called him a “thief.” Ramos docked her a game, and she was later issued a $17,000 fine for the sum of the violations.

The specifics, though, matter here less than what the incident tells us about the state of the women’s game—namely that it is broken, and that its rulemakers and enforcers continue to prop up a system that skews undeniably toward the sexist and racist. Williams, the most lauded player in the history of the sport, is, in fact, still fighting, just as she has had to over and over and over again at every stage of her career. It is a disgrace. It is ongoing.

Williams is tested for prohibited drugs by the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency much more often than her competitors—at a rate more than double that of other top American women players, according to a June analysis by Deadspin. She has been the subject of years of thinly veiled criticism over her body and dress; last month, it was the president of the French Tennis Federation who singled out the so-called catsuit she wore to this year’s French Open—an outfit that was designed with the express goal of helping prevent a recurrence of the blood clots that nearly killed her after she gave birth last year—as something that lacked “respect” for “the game and the place” and would thus be banned in future tournaments. It’s not just Williams who faces this backward policing, of course: Earlier in the tournament, France’s Alizé Cornet was given a code violation by the chair umpire of her own match after she had the gall to briefly remove a shirt that she’d mistakenly put on backward, despite the fact that male players routinely change their shirts during changeovers.

Cornet’s violation drew so much anger that the U.S. Open apologized—and issued what it said was a clarification, that such an outfit change would, in fact, be permitted going forward. “The WTA has always been and always will be a pioneer for women and women’s sports,” read a statement issued by the Open.

This is too often the way the sport has operated: persist with dreadfully misguided rules about how female players ought to behave or look, ruthlessly enforce them, and adjust only when the outcry has grown too loud to ignore. “This is not fair,” Williams at one point pleaded, seemingly on the verge of tears. “This has happened to me too many times.”

“For me to say ‘thief’ and for him to take a game, it made me feel like it was a sexist remark,” Williams said Saturday. “He’s never taken a game from a man because they said ‘thief.’ For me it blows my mind, but I’m going to continue to fight for women and to fight for us to have equal coordination—to be able to take our shirt off on the court without getting a fine. This is outrageous.”

Osaka’s victory will, regrettably, always have this asterisk, her dominant play reduced to a secondary story because Ramos felt it was up to him to repeatedly intervene in matters that often go ignored in the men’s game. Eventual men’s champ Novak Djokovic, for one, struggled in an earlier round against John Millman before calling up to his coach, “I need tablets”—an apparent request for medical aid that was promptly delivered sans penalty and with coverage noting that the residents of his box were “bemused.” The ever-mercurial Nick Kyrgios had a U.S. Open that included a mid-match pep talk from an umpire.

Few would find either a request for hydration or the occasional colorful outburst a decisive event in tennis—and yet on the women’s side, it continues to be treated as such. No less an authority than Billie Jean King spoke out against Williams’s treatment over the weekend. “Ultimately, a woman was penalized for standing up for herself,” King wrote in an op-ed in The Washington Post. “A woman faced down sexism, and the match went on.” Tennis’s international leadership purports to be concerned about the future of the game, particularly on the women’s side. If we learn nothing else from the U.S. Open’s regrettable end, let it be that outrage can’t be the only thing governing a sport
Lets be clear...the above is perspective from a woman....not women.
 
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Your not going to believe this but there is a hierarchy in tennis of which you might not be aware. Billy Jean King runs tennis. Without getting into the details basically everybody in tennis that might have some influence on tennis messaging toward certain issues receives a phone call from Mrs. King. I would be shocked if you got an opinion from McEnroe, Federer, etc.. that did not conform to Mrs. King's agenda of women's rights and equality not only in tennis but in general. I'm not saying it's wrong (although I may have different opinions on such issues than Mrs. King), I'm just saying to understand the dynamics of tennis and how they use the sport to further causes and to further their own self interest one must understand Billy Jean Kings role and influence. Like I said, I'm not saying it's wrong I'm just enlightening you on the process.

Having said all that, Serena is their brand and their face and she will be protected at all costs as she represents everything they are fighting for.
 
Your not going to believe this but there is a hierarchy in tennis of which you might not be aware. Billy Jean King runs tennis. Without getting into the details basically everybody in tennis that might have some influence on tennis messaging toward certain issues receives a phone call from Mrs. King. I would be shocked if you got an opinion from McEnroe, Federer, etc.. that did not conform to Mrs. King's agenda of women's rights and equality not only in tennis but in general. I'm not saying it's wrong (although I may have different opinions on such issues than Mrs. King), I'm just saying to understand the dynamics of tennis and how they use the sport to further causes and to further their own self interest one must understand Billy Jean Kings role and influence. Like I said, I'm not saying it's wrong I'm just enlightening you on the process.

Having said all that, Serena is their brand and their face and she will be protected at all costs as she represents everything they are fighting for.
For the record, I feel the same way when refs in the NBA take over a game and make their decisions the front and center storyline of a game.
 
correct. There's plenty of evidence with that specific umpire and men players.
Let me get this straight, you condone cheating, breaking rackets, and berating umpires. Got it. Social warrior gonna social warrior.

You might want to check your own biases. It's not about condoning anything, it's about equal application of the rules, and it appears that the rules are not applied equally. His job was not to escalate the situation and impact the outcome of a major final. Typically the better an official is, the less you know he was there.

If you don't think your biased, pay attention to the way you respond to a bad woman driver vs the way you respond to a bad man driver. It's typically an immediate response and as such comes from a place of instinctive bias.
 
For the record, I feel the same way when refs in the NBA take over a game and make their decisions the front and center storyline of a game.

And you don’t call it racist or sexist when it happens in an NBA game, which it isn’t. You can have a beef with whether the ref went too far — neither I nor many others in this thread think that and believe he was perfectly within his rights and proper to do what he did. But you think he went too far. (Completely ignoring the effect of Williams’s behavior on her graceful opponent.) Okay. But then you try to imply “wormen” — instead of a handful of women you cite — all have a single monolithic view of this, which they don’t, and then link to all the “sexist, microaggression” stuff — which has nothing to do with this, and bridle at being labeled a SJW, which as I recall was your own self-selected handle/nickname in the not too distant past.
 
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You might want to check your own biases. It's not about condoning anything, it's about equal application of the rules, and it appears that the rules are not applied equally. His job was not to escalate the situation and impact the outcome of a major final. Typically the better an official is, the less you know he was there.

If you don't think your biased, pay attention to the way you respond to a bad woman driver vs the way you respond to a bad man driver. It's typically an immediate response and as such comes from a place of instinctive bias.
If you don't think your biased,

It's you're
 
And you don’t call it racist or sexist when it happens in an NBA game, which it isn’t. You can have a beef with whether the ref went too far — neither I nor many others in this thread think that and believe he was perfectly within his rights and proper to do what he did. But you think he went too far. (Completely ignoring the effect of Williams’s behavior on her graceful opponent.) Okay. But then you try to imply “wormen” — instead of a handful of women you cite — all have a single monolithic view of this, which they don’t, and then link to all the “sexist, microaggression” stuff — which has nothing to do with this, and bridle at being labeled a SJW, which as I recall was your own self-selected handle/nickname in the not too distant past.
a. We don't call it sexist in the NBA because it's not the same thing.

b. I've never contended all women feel a certain way about this. You're inventing something that doesn't exist in an effort to push a faulty narrative. I've intimated that a heavy amount of women have shown strong support for her.

It's quite a different thing when men and women speak on this.
 
Any more white guy opinions you can share? We don't get enough of that.

The irony. Last time I checked you were a white guy who shared his opinion on this subject. But I guess you are exempted from it because you embrace identity politics, support multi-millionaire tantrum-throwing "victims", and tell anyone of non-favored races and gender they should censor themselves.
 
The irony. Last time I checked you were a white guy who shared his opinion on this subject. But I guess you are exempted from it because you embrace identity politics, support multi-millionaire tantrum-throwing "victims", and tell anyone of non-favored races and gender they should censor themselves.
I'm not exempt from anything. It's why I have made a point to share nothing but opinions from profiles different than those posting in this thread.
 
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