That’s hilarious and accurate.This board can be such a boner killer
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That’s hilarious and accurate.This board can be such a boner killer
I missed out!He hit the record tieing HR I believe on Saturday before. I watched that and it was on National TV. Both games were on network tv that had been scheduled well before in anticipation. I believe Aaron sat out the game before the Monday night game since it wasn’t televised.
@60rocks I respect and totally understand your reservations but there are certainly reasons to be optimistic specifically regarding Sarkisian, Flood and Banks. I've actually been trying to deep dive into the coaches for my podcast but I just wanted to share.
1.) Sark did better than an "above average' job taking an 0-11 Washington eventually to 9 wins and multiple bowl victories. That not only provides head coaching experience but an ability to build up a program. He has also developed numerous QBs including the many he had at USC and Alabama but also Jake Locker into an NFL prospect. USC won 9 games in year one and signed a top recruiting class before the drinking derailed his career. The drinking = bad but the wins and #1 recruiting class = good.
People point to Sark being fired from Atlanta but in 2018 Matt Ryan had career highs in completions, completion percentage, 2nd highest TD passes and career low in interceptions. Sure he was fired but the offense actually improved the 2nd year and if you look at that season, the defense (like it is now) was the primary issue. More on that later.
He then went to Alabama and yes they were loaded but in his second year after replacing the majority of the offensive personnel he led them to the best offense they've ever had with a QB that wasn't exactly Trevor Lawrence (no slight to Jones because I think he is really good too). Based off of his history and various circumstances, odds are if Sarkisian is coaching your QBs, he will do well with them. In the games that were closer to equal talent being on the field, Tua had 4 Td passes against LSU last year while Mac Jones had 4 TD passes against Georgia and 5 TD passes against Ohio State this past year in the national championship.
2.) On Kyle Flood, I've really had to look hard for any significant evidence of success at Rutgers. The offenses ranked really well nationally (20s) from 2005-2009 when there was talent at RB (rice) and QB (Savage) but Rutgers is just such a 'meh' team I dont know how to appropriately weigh most of their offensive statistics from 2005-2015. They are mostly in the 50-70s range outside of a couple of really bad offensive seasons. Obviously he was highly thought of to consistently receive promotions from position coach to coordinator to head coach but they really had no chance especially the big 10 of being competitive. For example, Flood's last year they went 4-8 but 6 of those losses were against Penn State, Michigan, Ohio State, Michigan State, Nebraska and Wisconsin. Rutgers never beats those teams doesn't matter who is the head coach lol. To further that point, Rutgers has won about 14 games in the last 6 years. On a positive note- Rutgers was top 10 in the country in QB sacks allowed per game in 2012, ranked 3rd in the big ten in sacks allowed and 5th in the big 10 in TFL allowed in 2014 and ranked tied for 2nd in the big 10 in TFL allowed and 9th in sacks allowed in 2015.
It is difficult to gather evidence at Atlanta too. In 2017, Atlanta had a top 10 offense in yardage and top 15 in scoring. In 2018, they had an abysmal running game but starting rb devonta freeman and both starting guards went on the IR. That offense however still remained in the top 10 yardage, specifically top 5 in passing and top 10 in scoring. Now I'm not sure how much Flood's role plays into all of that but he was once again promoted at Atlanta with more responsibilities (clock management) along with being the assistant OL coach.
Then of course we look at Alabama where Sarkisian must have also saw something in Flood who has basically been the recipient of promotions everywhere he has been. When you have coaches who succeed at a place like Alabama you really have to look hard to find examples of real impact. A couple of positive data points include- A.) Alabama had its best ever efficiency rating on third down (59.1 percent) and its highest ever efficiency rating in the red zone (90.7%). B.) His group won the Joe Moore as the best OL unit which Alabama even with all of its dominance has only won one other time. C) Starting RB Harris ended up running for more career yards than any other Alabama RB and if you look at the two seasons of Tua and Mac Jones they are the best passing numbers of any QB in Alabama history. Alabama also allowed its lowest ever amount of sacks per game in 2019 and were top 10 in TFL allowed in 2020. That is quite a few of "highest/lowest ever" and "best ever" for the Sark/ Flood combo even at a school like Alabama.
3.) Banks is considered a great recruiter by literally everyone. Seriously you could look up whoever it is that you trust on college football or any fan for that matter and they will tell you he is one of the best. He's from Texas, he builds relationships and he knows how to close. Period. Plus, His special teams expertise was not only shown at Alabama and Texas A&M but also at UTEP where he led the league in special teams statistic and at Idaho State where they led the nation in net punting twice in his three seasons.
Herman and his staff were able to get us really close in 2018 and the amount of experience and expertise on this staff is vastly superior to that one was at the time. Obviously the proof is in the pudding but the ingredients are top shelf. Hopefully that makes the burnt orange kool aid a little bit easier to drink in the meantime lol.
Is there a specific grade I've given to any coach that you have an issue with because I haven't seen anyone complain about even one of them?GREAT stuff and well written and laid out. Thanks for researching all of that.
While I don't discount all of these coaches' past experiences, I'm also not going to discount the great benefit they receive from their time at Alabama. Flood did not get hired at Texas because of his success elsewhere, nor did SS, nor did Banks....they were hired because of their time at Alabama under Saban.
SS was 34-29 at Washington (24-21 in conference), was 1-2 in bowl games (he resigned before his 2013 bowl game) and never finished better than 3rd in a weak Pac12 conference. Had a good 2014 season at USC and then the disaster in 2015. Did he make Washington better? Yep. Would Texas have hired him had he not gone to Alabama...no.
Don't know what else to say about Flood than I've already typed in this thread. Did he make make Rutgers better while there? Yep. Would Texas have hired him had he not gone to Alabama...no.
I mentioned that I saw goodness in Banks's ability to recruit from his days at aggy. Certainly hoping that his prowess moves over with him outside of the SEC.
I've supported this team through thick and thin and haven't missed a home game or TX/ou game in the 33 years since being a freshman at Texas. I'll drink the kool aid, but I'm going to temper my expectations until these guys prove to me that their amazing recent coaching successes are not in large part directly related to being under the wing of the GOAT.
GREAT stuff and well written and laid out. Thanks for researching all of that.
While I don't discount all of these coaches' past experiences, I'm also not going to discount the great benefit they receive from their time at Alabama. Flood did not get hired at Texas because of his success elsewhere, nor did SS, nor did Banks....they were hired because of their time at Alabama under Saban.
SS was 34-29 at Washington (24-21 in conference), was 1-2 in bowl games (he resigned before his 2013 bowl game) and never finished better than 3rd in a weak Pac12 conference. Had a good 2014 season at USC and then the disaster in 2015. Did he make Washington better? Yep. Would Texas have hired him had he not gone to Alabama...no.
Don't know what else to say about Flood than I've already typed in this thread. Did he make make Rutgers better while there? Yep. Would Texas have hired him had he not gone to Alabama...no.
I mentioned that I saw goodness in Banks's ability to recruit from his days at aggy. Certainly hoping that his prowess moves over with him outside of the SEC.
I've supported this team through thick and thin and haven't missed a home game or TX/ou game in the 33 years since being a freshman at Texas. I'll drink the kool aid, but I'm going to temper my expectations until these guys prove to me that their amazing recent coaching successes are not in large part directly related to being under the wing of the GOAT.
It's shallow thinking to gauge success at Rutgers based on conventional grading. @60rocks wants to ding Flood for things like wins over power five teams as a way of undermining what he accomplished at Rutgers without acknowledging that the program has only won nine combined games in the five years since he left and never more than 4 games in any season. He was fired for going 4-8 because of the standard that he and Greg Schiano created. From 1980-2005, Rutgers never had a single season as good as two that Flood had as a coach. If you want to say that three years after Schiano left that Flood was still piggy-backing the program he built, I'll listen to the argument, but I'm not going to let someone be dismissive of winning 8 or 9 games at a place like Rutgers when it's so historically rare in the grand scheme of things.
It's shallow thinking to gauge success at Rutgers based on conventional grading. @60rocks wants to ding Flood for things like wins over power five teams as a way of undermining what he accomplished at Rutgers without acknowledging that the program has only won nine combined games in the five years since he left and never more than 4 games in any season. He was fired for going 4-8 because of the standard that he and Greg Schiano created. From 1980-2005, Rutgers never had a single season as good as two that Flood had as a coach. If you want to say that three years after Schiano left that Flood was still piggy-backing the program he built, I'll listen to the argument, but I'm not going to let someone be dismissive of winning 8 or 9 games at a place like Rutgers when it's so historically rare in the grand scheme of things.
Your argument basically gives all the Bama success to Saban because of the “juggernaut” he’s developed. That suggests that you think it’s all about the Head Coach. If so, you can’t criticize the results that any of these coaches had as assistants before being at Bama. Those issues should be laid at the foot of the head coach too, correct?
On Flood’s background, he was at Rutgers...RUTGERS. They’ve been a P5 school for a whopping SEVEN seasons. For a coach to win any P5 games there is impressive at this point.
Bottom line is you seem pissed/jilted/skeptical. I get it, but no one is saying UT wins the NC next year or even in the next 2-3 years. What’s been said is that at least the assistant coaches selected appear to be better than those selected during Strong’s and Herman’s first seasons, and that’s where it needs to start for us to truly improve.
c. This roster isn't within a 10-foot pole of the team Mack inherited IMO.
(Sell) That feels almost impossible to expect.
(Sell) Whatchu talkin bout, Willis?
Texas QBs will have no less than 4 games with at least a 230 QB efficiency rating next season with Sark calling plays.
(Buy) Absolutely.
(Sell) I don't think the rotation will be an issue at all.
Rider54 said:
A lot of us had BIG problems with the RB rotation this past year, and to a somewhat lesser extent with the WR rotation. These are the two positions where Sark kept coaches from the old staff. You foresee this being an issue again in 2021 because of the assistants involved in these two positions?
Sark's original staff at USC had a LOT of his UW staff with him. IT doesn't really compare IMO.Exactly. Plus, I was more interested in how Flood did as a position coach than a head coach because there is so much more duties involved being the top guy. He’s had an incredible progression to where he his now that places the odds of being successful at Texas in his favor.
Sidenote- How would you think this staff relates to the one Sark had at USC? They obviously recruited really well and I wonder if the staff compares favorably. Sark’s background suggest that he believes you live or die on the recruiting trail and that has me really excited.
The Big 12 as a whole was much stronger at the top back in 1999.you might be right however if Robinson comes on next year like Ricky especially his last season under Mack a 9 win season is possible.
that duplicates Mack's win total year one and set the tone moving forward.
the 1997 team had talent, they just quit on Mackovic. his arrogance cost him. and he didn't learn a thing from it as his disastrous and short tenure at Arizona proved. that team didn't just quit on him, they revolted.
It's funny to me that you couldn't name a single specific grade that I gave that you disagreed with, which is what I asked you to do, if you could.It's funny to hear you get personal by (so far) calling me ridiculous, shallow and dismissive about my opinions that I have facts for on this thread given your recent history. It also boggles my mind that you bring up Schiano as another reason to not give Flood credit (which I thought of but didn't bring up) and then immediately refute yourself......
As far as letting me be dismissive....please. If you want to skip down the street in joy about the hires, feel free. I'm going to take a more cautious approach this time because I see recency bias in these Bama hires that I HOPE work out. And if they do, I'll be happy as hell.
I think there is emphasis. It's talked about a lot.Worn Down
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Ketch,
I just do not hear much emphasis on the o-line (especially over the next two years).
It just seems like we always overlook this area.
To me, almost everything works (or can work a lot better or cover up a few things) when you have a GOOD o-line play.
Flood had a lot of very HIGH caliber personnel already on the Alabama team to work with.
He also had a hell of a lot easier route to signing 4-5 star personnel in the two years there.
Come on..... Alabama's track record & Saban basically signs the personnel itself.
I thought we heard almost the same stuff about Hand as we are hearing about Flood.
Without a winning track record, stud o-line personnel already in house, , history of signing stud o-line personnel, the next two years may be brutal.
Hiring a new op-line coach and spreading some pixey dust will not transform the o-line within the next two years .... just seems far reaching....
We will have a new QB and he will need a bit more time in the pocket this year.
I just see a brutal two years minimum on the offensive side - with the new QB scrambling around with minimal time ....
Over the recent years watching the o-line play - the glass is half empty, not half full.
Need some kool-aid ....
It's funny to me that you couldn't name a single specific grade that I gave that you disagreed with, which is what I asked you to do, if you could.
Excuse me while I skip down the street while dismissing you as short-sighted and incapable of hanging with me in the conversation.
The Big 12 as a whole was much stronger at the top back in 1999.