Ketch's 10 Thoughts From The Weekend (It's a put up or shut up NIL world)

[ColladorUT]

It was about the most negative way possible to characterize what UT is doing with completely made up outrageous numbers. Your other posts were 100% subversive to what UT is trying to accomplish. It’s not the refusal to pay that makes someone a bad fan but actively working against UTs efforts that does. I’ll move on.

Yeah, you need to move on because this is full of fallacy. The only thing I've been negative on is the leadership of CFB, or lack there-of. That has nothing to do with UT and you can't connect any of those dots even if you try. I'm also negative about how these funds are potentially used because it's so unregulated and wild west.

I guess when Ketch says "I won't comment on whether this should be charity" is way cleaner/nicer than me just saying, "hey there's a possibility for abuse here, in fact there have been stories about it"? Again, none of that has one shred to do with UT or what it's trying to accomplish.

Carry on.

 

[tball88]

Georgia is killing it in recruiting and I have no doubt nil is a huge part of it. Just got #1 qb in 2024 to change his commitment from Ohio st to them

 

[a_hornsfan]

Speaking of...

View embedded media

Dang, that was good. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Sun Tzu Horn]

Whoever srated this whole NIL thing should be shot 😎

 

[MauiHorn]

I was told tech will be able to match or surpass any number. They are very motivated.

Unless Micah is getting the best BJ of his life in Lubbock, cant imagine any other reason he picks TT over UT.

QB’s (QE, Arch)
SEC
Campus
City
If 3-4 of our receivers get drafted in 2024, he is a moron for picking TT.

Its not like our NIL will be that much different from their once in a decade NIL target.

 

[Ketchum]

Most of that nil money is convered in drool (and other bodily fluids) from insta followers.

whatever you say...

 

[Ketchum]

Most power 5 have two.

Others are lucky to even have 1.

If you took out fb and mens BB, the remaining mens' teams are much closer to breakeven than the women's teams.

Just pick a random school, list the top 10 most attended sports. 7 or 8 would be mens sports.

The point I'm making is that if mens football didn't have to foot the entire bill, they could pay their players themselves. And Texas would truly dominate.

Rank the events at UT in order of attendance. You might be surprised.

 

[Buda Horn]

There's a very good chance he finishes his career as a Top 5 all-time scorer in the history of the game.

Up until he had the achilles injury in 2019, Durant was on his way to passing everyone outside of LeBron, Kareem, and Malone. Since the achilles injury, he has played in only 137 regular games over the last 4 seasons total. With all that missed time, Durant still only needs 5,400 points to pass Jordan for #5. That's 216 games averaging 25 ppg. Does he have another 216 injury free games left in his career? Three more fully healthy seasons will put him past Jordan and within striking distance of Kobe for #4.

Side note... since I made the Durant/Hakeem comparison in my previous post, it's worth pointing out that at this moment, Durant sits exactly 54 points shy of Hakeem's career scoring total.

 

[Ketchum]

Georgia is killing it in recruiting and I have no doubt nil is a huge part of it. Just got #1 qb in 2024 to change his commitment from Ohio st to them

There are no accidents.

 

[Ketchum]

Unless Micah is getting the best BJ of his life in Lubbock, cant imagine any other reason he picks TT over UT.

QB’s (QE, Arch)
SEC
Campus
City
If 3-4 of our receivers get drafted in 2024, he is a moron for picking TT.

Its not like our NIL will be that much different from their once in a decade NIL target.

I tend to agree.

 

[Ketchum]

Up until he had the achilles injury in 2019, Durant was on his way to passing everyone outside of LeBron, Kareem, and Malone. Since the achilles injury, he has played in only 137 regular games over the last 4 seasons total. With all that missed time, Durant still only needs 5,400 points to pass Jordan for #5. That's 216 games averaging 25 ppg. Does he have another 216 injury free games left in his career? Three more fully healthy seasons will put him past Jordan and within striking distance of Kobe for #4.

Side note... since I made the Durant/Hakeem comparison in my previous post, it's worth pointing out that at this moment, Durant sits exactly 54 points shy of Hakeem's career scoring total.

I think he plays into his 40s.

 

[Ben Chode]

whatever you say...

Look into it. They are being paid for being influencers with huge followings, not because they play basketball.

 

[Buda Horn]

I think he plays into his 40s.

He has the size and offensive skill set to be an effective scorer at age 40, but can he avoid injuries every single year between now and then that would force him to retire sooner?

 

[Ketchum]

Look into it. They are being paid for being influencers with huge followings, not because they play basketball.

They can get paid for being both.

 

[Ketchum]

He has the size and offensive skill set to be an effective scorer at age 40, but can he avoid injuries every single year between now and then that would force him to retire sooner?

That'll be the big question.

He averages 25 and plays 50 per season for the next two seasons, that's 2500 points. that puts him at 29,392, which is 8th behind Wilt.. That next 2,000 will be the real climb.

 

[Ben Chode]

They can get paid for being both.

Obviously.

3.3 mill for posing in bikinis with a product on insta

.1 for signing autographs at the local sports memorabilia show.

 

[Ketchum]

Obviously.

3.3 mill for posing in bikinis with a product on insta

.1 for signing autographs at the local sports memorabilia show.

Angel Reese's NIL sociaL media following triples in 48 hours AFTER she won a national title.

That's why her NIL value is in the millions. It's not remotely the same if she loses in the national title game.

 

[cltig]

All I know is, in spite of all evidence and reason to the contrary, @cltig believes there is an excellent chance Hudson goes to Tech. I mean "Crabtree went there....."

Never have I ever said that I think that Hudson is going to Tech. Jason and other guys in the know seem to think it is a much bigger possibility than most of us want to believe, but I hope and think that he is going to end up with the good guys in the end. I simply pointed out your stupidity in saying that he would be putting his future NFL prospects at risk by going to Tech. That's complete BS and arrogance on your part that I was able to quickly shoot down with facts. I don't know why I even responded to your bait in this thread other than to correct you and your lack of facts yet again.

 

[McGuapo]

Texas fans have always been passive. Top SEC fan bases are not. It is what it is. You’re not going to change the entire fanbase quickly, if ever.

 

[Ketchum]

Texas fans have always been passive. Top SEC fan bases are not. It is what it is. You’re not going to change the entire fanbase quickly, if ever.

Better learn quickly. Those dudes don't play.

 

[McGuapo]

Better learn quickly. Those dudes don't play.

Not gonna happen. It will have to be the big fish that care.

 

[McGuapo]

Our fans want a direct benefit, like seats they like or seats at all or access or whatever, they’re not just mindless givers. I realize they are trying to make it more apparent what someone’s money is going to, but it still doesn’t resonate enough for many. It’s too nebulous.

 

[Ketchum]

Not gonna happen. It will have to be the big fish that care.

I refuse to believe that Texas can't get a few thousand people on $20-$200 per month.

 

[Ketchum]

Our fans want a direct benefit, like seats they like or seats at all or access or whatever, they’re not just mindless givers. I realize they are trying to make it more apparent what someone’s money is going to, but it still doesn’t resonate enough for many. It’s too nebulous.

Wait until you see what happens with Swayster.

 

[streettopeschel]

I think if they would let us donors know where the money goes that would be helpful. I gave a $1000 already.

It goes where you want it to go. Mine goes to baseball. But I reserve the right to bitch about football and basketball too.

 

[JesterW637]

The guys could just get paid money. The TOF makes sure that these guys do lots of positive endeavors. I won't debate whether that should be defined as charity or not. They do a lot of good, though.

Texas athletes have always done this sort of thing. There have been countless reports of these activities over the years and decades. My real point here is that it appears that Texas Athletics is using “charitable work” and the popularity of that notion as a front to justify something that is actually really different from that. I get that they cannot come out and say just send us money to pay these kids. I just find it insulting that they play the charity card when using compensation to incentivize someone to do something eliminates charity from the equation.

 

[Ketchum]

Texas athletes have always done this sort of thing. There have been countless reports of these activities over the years and decades. My real point here is that it appears that Texas Athletics is using “charitable work” and the popularity of that notion as a front to justify something that is actually really different from that. I get that they cannot come out and say just send us money to pay these kids. I just find it insulting that they play the charity card when using compensation to incentivize someone to do something eliminates charity from the equation.

They are doing MORE than they've ever done before in terms of community outreach. This goers outside of what programs the schools have been involved.

More charitable work on top of other charitable work isn't a bad thing from my perspective.

There's a lot of good that can be done in the world and we shouldn't automatically attempt to cheapen the more work that gets done because some work was already being done.

 

[qwanseeker]

Texas athletes have always done this sort of thing. There have been countless reports of these activities over the years and decades. My real point here is that it appears that Texas Athletics is using “charitable work” and the popularity of that notion as a front to justify something that is actually really different from that. I get that they cannot come out and say just send us money to pay these kids. I just find it insulting that they play the charity card when using compensation to incentivize someone to do something eliminates charity from the equation.

378 posts in 17 years, and tearing down UT’s efforts to raise NIL and serve the community is what you come with???

 

[BurntOrangeYeti]

Roy is the pride of Wink too. That's where you can visit the Roy Orbison Museum

Glasses on display

 

[Ketchum]

378 posts in 17 years, and tearing down UT’s efforts to raise NIL and serve the community is what you come with???

You never know what will motivate someone to post. 🤷‍♂️

 

[hornsup21]

Obviously there are many people who follow women's sports. Just not enough to justify the existence of 99% of the teams.

OU softball may be the most dominant team on the face of the planet, I doubt they are self sufficient.

I wonder if any of our women's sports could stand on their own. I'm sure wbb is close, if you don't include Vic's salary.

Not sure if the following is relevant to whatever discussion you were having.Just a respectful FYI.. Also speaks to a comment made about no one watches women's sports.May not have been you.No biggie

1st.On the money side of things, the University of Oklahoma women's softball program brought home $3,946,539 in revenue and paid out $3,817,821 in total expenses. This equates to a net profit of $128,718 for the program.

University of Oklahoma Norman Campus Athletics Programs​

College Factual​

​

Only 3.8 million in expenses with Gasso's salry and the new stadium??? Here is why:
.Posted in another thread about why we can't be more competitive with ou in softball recruiting

"""""Playing field is totally unlevel my friend.
Not giving Mike a total pass, but no one really competes with Ou when it comes to talent acquisition-in the nation.
A Lot is Patty and the trophy case OFC.

However, OU's softball money( for facilities salaries and NIL )is nearly more than the rest of the big 12 combined

.Almost all of it comes from fans and businesses.
Examples:
Their new palatial Stadium and adjacent facilities that cost over 30 million to build??
It's not named Love's Field for nothing:Love's Travel Stops, has provided the lead and naming gift for the University of Oklahoma's new softball stadium.

The company has pledged $9 million toward the project and also extended a challenge to other donors. It will match every other donation dollar for dollar up to an additional $3 million dollars as part of project fundraising. The match will result in a total gift of $12 million from Love's,
......................also.......................

. To date more than $20 million has been raised through the generosity of Sooner Club members. (their Longhorn foundation)

Love's Field is expected to be fully funded by direct private support
making it the most ever privately funded r female student-athlete facility in intercollegiate sport.



And Patty's contract is also heavily sponsored . $825,000 ( min)of her salary comes from private funds


Gasso’s base salary, which will be paid by the university, is $300,000 – an increase from $280,000. Tons of incentives though

Gasso’s extension raises her salary to $1.625 million annually,

Only one college baseball coach makes more than Gasso.Corbin for Vanderbilt


Their fan base is HUGE and they invest a TON...Remember there were NINE THOUSAND at a reg season game vs us...9,000! That more than the 22 Record set at regional at the Disch"The attendance of 8,502 is the largest crowd to ever see a college baseball game at UFCU Disch-Falk Field"


Then the NIL $$$$ for Softball is HUGEas well.

1Oklahoma Announces $50k NIL Collective for Oklahoma Student-Athletes​

An OKC non-profit will leverage NIL rules to pay OU football, basketball and

softball players $40-50,000 a year, with an eye on expansion into other sports.

That does not count all the individual NIL deals their players have and they have a ton.


Hard to out recruit that AND The GOAT of softball coaches."""""

 

[McGuapo]

I refuse to believe that Texas can't get a few thousand people on $20-$200 per month.

Oh I’m sure you can get some numbers, just saying in general you’re not just gonna mindlessly change the culture of our fanbase and change their stripes just because you say they need to.

 

[Ketchum]

Oh I’m sure you can get some numbers, just saying in general you’re not just gonna mindlessly change the culture of our fanbase and change their stripes just because you say they need to.

It sounds like this article caused a decent sized group of people to commit to the cause.

Of course, more is always needed.

 

[McGuapo]

It sounds like this article caused a decent sized group of people to commit to the cause.

Of course, more is always needed.

We have plenty to go around, it’s just not as much a given as some other groups because the culture is wired differently.

 

[bigcheddar]

​

No. 2 - Micah Hudson talk ...

So, I made this Tweet over the weekend and my mentions went to hell in a handbasket.

View embedded media

My mentions were a mess from Tech fans, who apparently believe that I made the comment out of fear.

Lulz.

The reality of the Hudson recruitment is that if it becomes a game of Show Friends, Tech has a real shot when you consider his dad played at Tech, his girlfriend is scheduled to go there and he has a real affection for the Tech coaches.

If the recruitment becomes a game of Show Business, the Longhorns will win. No offense to Hutto's Will Hammond (2024 Tech quarterback commitment) or Jake Strong (2023 Tech quarterback signee), but neither of those guys is Arch Manning. Or Maalik Murphy, for that matter.

One school will be playing in the SEC, while the other plays in a watered down Big 12.

One school offers up the chance to play against the best of the best on a weekly basis, while the other plays in games that nobody will really care to watch.

There are reasons why no recruit with the status of Hudson has ever signed to play with Texas Tech.

Ultimately, you have to think Show Business wins out over Show Friends. If Hudson doesn't know that by now, he'll know later in the year when he looks at the Tech recruiting class and realizes that an army of one in college football is only going to take you so far.

TBH, this was my exact thought when I saw your tweet. Tech fans are just off-base, at best. But, that's always been the case. If Hudson truly is the caliber of player as he looks to be, why would he not want to go play with the best QB against the best competition with the most eyeballs watching him do his thing?? To me, it seems like an easy choice. But, family and girlfriend are hard things to argue against, so we shall see...

Lastly, I dig the not-so-subtle Bob Sugar reference