Ketch's 10 Thoughts From the Weekend (It's all about the damn implications...)
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Don't let the Brockermeyer's off the hook that easily. Other than riding the Bama Bandwagon of having a better chance of playing (wait, sitting on the pine for 2 - 3 years waiting your turn to play 1 or 2 years at most) for a better chance of playing in a National Championship Game, those boys could have achieved everything else they wanted at Texas.
And by the way, if the NFL doesn't work out, don't come back to the Texas money machine for a corporate job building on your contributions to our states top college.. You can work the Alabama business opportunity as your reward for going to Bama.
And by the way, if the NFL doesn't work out, don't come back to the Texas money machine for a corporate job building on your contributions to our states top college.. You can work the Alabama business opportunity as your reward for going to Bama.
He stepped down from a job with equal prestige. Not sure he would want to start from scratch again.
I’m doing a Home and Home where I’ve got to buy seats at DKR for that game for a Roll Tide buddy and he’s taking me to Bryant Denny. This whole thing has soured me a bit. But will sack up and pull like hell for the good guys. We’ll for sure have the offense to keep up but those lines will have their work cut out for them.
That's his M.O. though. He wins a title or two, has a scandal or two, starts getting criticism/pressure, and scoots.
He wouldn't really be starting from scratch here. He'd have the best or close to the best talent in the conference. And you know he'd love to take over from Herman and win big.
His offense would f'n destroy the B12. Riley would keep up, but everyone else would get boat raced. I'm not a huge Urban fan, but I would LOVE to see him here. He would break records.
@Ketchum, great touching point on Boyce. Mental health is absolutely the most important thing a person can work on. Thankfully that young man has the maturity to recognize he needs help. So many people wait too long to address it. His health and well-being is the most important thing, and I hope he is able to continue his education with an amazing support team.
Yep. We'd be drowning in Texas and national 5 stars. And we'd be gangsta again, for better and worse.
It's probably all moot though since Texas's powers-that-be very likely look down their nose at Urban, like they do everyone else in CFB who prioritizes winning above all. But maybe if the mega BMDs get sufficiently fed up with being irrelevant...
I think it might be an interesting legacy play for him, and one that he could sincerely sell to the administration. He's inarguably 1-2-3 best CFB coaches alive, and has done it, like Saban, at two programs. But I'd have to believe that Florida and OSU are naturally more difficult to manage on the moral side. We get good kids coming here. Academics runs off a lot of would be distractions. Not that he wouldn't push those boundaries. But I could see him wanting to end on a high note and selling that to a would be hiring group. My outlook is that, no matter what, Tom gets through 2021. So he has to f-- up 2020 and 2021, and in the meantime, USC has a clearer path to firing Helton. Not that I'm rooting for this per se, just a hypothetical.
My actual feeling is that the new assistants make a real difference, and Sam being a senior will put a lot of fight into the squad. Our biggest issue will be generating pressure with our front 7 on defense. Ossai will be great, no doubt, but needs to stay healthy with the work load and really needs some friends.
We are clearly #2 or #3 in the conference since Herman's been here and can't seem to run the table on the teams we should. So who knows. I've felt that Herman is a lot like Mackovic, some excellent highs and inexplicable lows. Seemed like every other game during Mackovic's tenure someone was tearing down goalposts or breaking a streak that ran back to JFK.
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I agree with pretty much all of this, with the only exception being that the academics of Florida, OSU, and UT are very much on par. Or at least they have been in the USNWR for as long as I can remember.
On the pressure from the front, if you go back and watch Jacoby Jones' tape, he's got exactly the kind of edge rushing ability we need opposite Ossai. IMO he's the only other DL we have with the quickness to really bother OTs (maybe Collins as well). Frankly I never understood why they recruited him to play in a 3 man front, but I think he'll be a factor in the new scheme.
Anyway, I too expect Herman to do better with the best pair of coordinators we've had maybe ever. Even so, there are things that give me pause about him getting over the hump, namely the lethargy with which we've started several games during his tenure, especially on the road, and his questionable game day decision making. It's hard to envision him getting the better of Riley with any regularity.
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SO...Blake Brockermeyer doesn't think Texas is full of the best players in the country?
I'll say this; Bevo decleated Uga, then Texas did the same to them SEC beeyotches he idolizes.
I'll say this; Bevo decleated Uga, then Texas did the same to them SEC beeyotches he idolizes.
We would be dominant within two years if Urban was hired... It will never happen though.
We're four years into Herman's tenure.
Do you think Saban was still talking about Coach Fran in his fourth year?
I feel what you're saying, but if you're elite, it shows itself by now.
Ketch, can you name the family members that made these kids legacies? I only recognize a few of them.
Can you also list the top 10 legacies who committed or played at Texas?
10. Cedric Dockery
9. Collin Johnson
8. Jaxon Shipley
7. James Brockermeyer
6. Austin Sendlein
5. Kasey Studdard
4. Quandre Diggs
3. Robert Thomas
2. David Warren
1. Tommy Brockermeyer
Can you also list the top 10 legacies who committed or played at Texas?
10. Cedric Dockery
9. Collin Johnson
8. Jaxon Shipley
7. James Brockermeyer
6. Austin Sendlein
5. Kasey Studdard
4. Quandre Diggs
3. Robert Thomas
2. David Warren
1. Tommy Brockermeyer
It didn't in Saban's first 4 years at Michigan State.. His first 4 years get him fired anywhere in the country today..
10. Cedric Dockery (Younger brother of Derrick Dockery)
9. Collin Johnson (Son of Johnnie Johnson)
8. Jaxon Shipley (Brother of Jordan Shipley)
7. James Brockermeyer (Son of Blake Brockermeyer)
6. Austin Sendlein ((Son of Robin Sendlein)
5. Kasey Studdard (Son of dave Studdard)
4. Quandre Diggs (Brother of Quinton Jammer)
3. Robert Thomas (Brother of Stan Thomas)
2. David Warren (Nephew of Earl Campbell)
1. Tommy Brockermeyer (Son of Blake Brockermeyer)
It means that other in-state war daddies have paused on Texas in exactly the same fashion as the Brockermeyers and it's been that way all year, as we've discussed on the site constantly.
There's an obvious agenda in play if someone is trying to paint the recruitment of the Brockermeyers through the prism of Texas' problems in it occurring in the last two months.
It's not based in reality.
He is implying that Texas is failing with elite recruits regardless of color.. I think though if you do an honest analysis of recruiting under Tom at Texas it is very solid..
And if you view last season through an honest lens, while there were some real head scratchers there were in fact a handful of bad series that resulted in the team under achieving and much of that can be attributed to bad in game adjustments but having also killed key starters with death camps..
Utah was a solid team, not great but very solid, and Texas took them a part with a different defensive scheme than they had been aligned to during the season..
With the exception of Clemson, Alabama and Ohio State virtually any team in college football would take what Texas has accomplished on the recruiting trail and Texas has finished ahead of OU in recruiting during Tom's time at Texas.. Two Heisman QB's had a lot to do with Riley's success and in his biggest games Riley has absolutely failed miserably..
It is comical too that everyone talks about what a dumpster fire Texas was.. and brother it was a joke what happened at UT.. and Texas while still having work to do is not a joke anymore.. And that is directly related to Tom..
Anyone remember what UT looked like in the bowl game against Arkansas.. I think it was 31-7 and UT looked like a mediocre D11 team in that game..
On the the one hand UT was a shit show and on the other Tom was supposed to win a National Title in Year 3.. Talk about detached from reality.. Consider Saban's once he got to the Michigan State and the Big 10 after having 1 good year at Toledo record..
1990 Toledo 9–2 7–1 T–1st
Toledo: 9–2 7–1
Michigan State Spartans (Big Ten Conference) (1995–1999)
1995 Michigan State 6–5–1 4–3–1 5th L Independence
1996 Michigan State 6–6 5–3 5th L Sun
1997 Michigan State 7–5 4–4 6th L Aloha
1998 Michigan State 6–6 4–4 6th
1999 Michigan State 9–2[n 2] 6–2 T–2nd Florida Citrus[n 2] 9[n 2] 9[n 2]
Michigan State: 34–24–1 23–16–1
LSU Tigers (Southeastern Conference) (2000–2004)
2000 LSU 8–4 5–3 3rd (Western) W Peach 22
2001 LSU 10–3 5–3 1st (Western) W Sugar† 8 7
2002 LSU 8–5 5–3 T–2nd (Western)[n 3] L Cotton
2003 LSU 13–1 7–1 1st (Western) W Sugar† 1 2
2004 LSU 9–3 6–2 2nd (Western) L Capital One 16 16
LSU: 48–16 28–12
Alabama Crimson Tide (Southeastern Conference) (2007–present)
2007 Alabama 2–6[n 1] 1–4[n 1] T–3rd (Western) W Independence
2008 Alabama 12–2 8–0 1st (Western) L Sugar†
Saban's record at Michigan State is a joke and while things got a better at LSU and a National Title was won there still is something of an up and down theme to what happened there and even year 1 at Alabama wasn't that great.. Now what happens after.?? Certainly Saban got the ship turned around in a very very impressive way but had Saban been at UT while at Michigan State or LSU a lot, MOST on here would have been calling for his head..
The Brockemeyer's never had the dream of playing at UT.. Sam had the dream of playing at UT and to be blunt the heck with them.. and lay off the brother unless it turns out that he in fact significantly contributed to the their decision and if that occurred there is no need for him to be on the team..
If you do not believe in what is happening then go somewhere else.. As a coach I do not need a cancer on my team and if you are harming the team you are not a part of the team..
In comparison to what Texas was Texas is now loaded.. and The roster will continue to develop.. Lets look at current team rankings in recruiting for a moment.. Take a look at the list and you will see Texas, Clemson Alabama and OU have the fewest commitments of all top 15 teams and Texas sits at #12 currently and will keep climbing up the rankings..
The absolute dishonesty about what is happening to Texas when looked at through any honest lens and compared to what guys like Saban or Mack (who couldn't beat Kansas State to save his life) is just ridiculous..
You can talk about the initial staff, and rightly so and I have.. But this staff is better by a lot and the talent is better by a lot and things are a hell of a lot better than they were and for all his mistakes Tom is growing and getting better and getting smarter and Tom will win (and is winning ask Georgia if he can coach and he has been the under dog in every bowl game and has dominated every one of them and he keeps getting better... and he will either become a more mature person or he will plateau.. But things are much much better than they were..
And one more thing about Tommy.. If you watch Tommy's rivals footage what you will see is a big athletic kid who is alleged to have learned great technique from his father who really looks pretty bad in many of the reps. He loses his anchor.. collapses forward from the hips.. is totally off balance and looks in all honesty to struggle against many of those guys..
Hayden on the other hand is out of position once and he has the strength to put that defended/ rusher on the ground even when in that position.. Not in any of the other reps was he just beaten to the point where he loses complete control of his body and is put in essence in a defensive position..
When Hayden gets his hands on a guy they stop.. Bryce Foster and Savion are also meaner than Tommy.. With Bryce think Creed Humphrey.. and Savion is as well.. The OL may not be Clemson/ Ohio State yet but it is a hell of a lot better than you want to admit.. and the idea that Hand is not developing guys is not supported by what people think of a couple of guys on our OL..!!
Now lets go to Texas Ou for just a second.. Texas was allowed to, and yes it was a mistake, walk into that game thinking it was going to be the same game as it was the year before and OU did not want it to be the same game.. and as bad as it was it was still a 1 score game.. I will bet UT comes into the game this year looking for a fight..
Go back to the top and look at Sabans record.. Look at the recruiting record that Tom has and tip your hat and wish the B boys good luck and then say honestly good riddance.. We don't need guys like that we needs fighters like Sam and Roschon who want to be at Texas..
And friends there are a hell of a lot more those guys on this Texas team than people are being honest about.. Texas is in a hell of a lot better position than it has been in a long long time.. And to be honest I am tired of all the whining.. No offense.. but Get in the fight or go home..
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Why would Saban be talking about Coach Fran? He succeeded Shula. And Coach Fran's was 17-8 in his 2 seasons as coach at Bama.
Is there data to support your statement that if you are elite, it shows itself by the 3rd or 4th year?
I certainly am not disputing that.. But looking at where Texas is and in comparison to where Texas was there is a much different bar in play now.. And like you and everyone else on here would it would be nice if we could just magically obtain our recruiting wish list.. We sit currently at #12 with probably 12 more recruits to go..
But I do not think by any objective standard that you can say what Tom has done has been a failure and that things are not far better with him than they were before he arrived.. Things are much better, Sam, Card, Jackson Thompson, Milroe vs Case McCoy and Swoops and if you want to be honest with really elite qb coaching and time to develop Swoops could have been far better than his time at Ut suggest..
I merely say there is a lot more to be optimistic about than people admit.. and after what Texas was for 10 years what Tom is doing (and it is a work in progress) is pretty darn good..!! Did mistakes hurt absolutely.. I am simply making the point that there is a heck of a lot more to like than people will admit.. Take an honest look at the roster..
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You realize that you used a certain word in your post that is foreign to a lot of posters on OB.
OBJECTIVE
