If the players put together a shit sandwich of a 7-5 season after leading a movement to cease the singing of The Eyes of Texas after a game, the vitrol will be uglier than after 2016 Kansas.
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If the players put together a shit sandwich of a 7-5 season after leading a movement to cease the singing of The Eyes of Texas after a game, the vitrol will be uglier than after 2016 Kansas.
I’m pretty sure this is it for me and the University of Texas. I can see where this is headed and I cannot support those who illogically support cancel culture for anything and everything some moron digs into to find some loose association with racism.
Im 100% for the renaming and removing of racist symbols but this is becoming far, far more than that.
This goes to truth. These same advocates of this insanity have BJ Fosters mom convinced that her greatest worry should be her son being shot by a cop when there’s hundreds of things more likely to kill or harm him.
It’s time to stop actively seeking to find racist intent. Digging up bullshit from 120 years ago to make people feel oppressed in modern times is sickening and it’s part of a larger trend that needs push back.
Im 100% for the renaming and removing of racist symbols but this is becoming far, far more than that.
This goes to truth. These same advocates of this insanity have BJ Fosters mom convinced that her greatest worry should be her son being shot by a cop when there’s hundreds of things more likely to kill or harm him.
It’s time to stop actively seeking to find racist intent. Digging up bullshit from 120 years ago to make people feel oppressed in modern times is sickening and it’s part of a larger trend that needs push back.
drunk randoke
“Let us have peace.” General Grant
I guess my question is how have the upset players dating back to the 80s known about the connection yet none to very few others knew anything about it? I'm not doubting the players just blows my mind that I had no clue, you had no clue very few others knew yet a high percentage of black players knew. How is that possible? What else is there....besides bbq. Learned that today too. .
Holy crap, the former president with a sensical take, what the hell is happening?????
drunk randoke
“Let us have peace.” General Grant
Well you had a good run. Take care.
I'm with you.
We suck at sports anyways. Let's focus on academics.
Let all players out of their scholarships and let them go. They clearly don't want to be here anyways.
They don't deserve to wear the uniform.
Yep. And honestly, I really don’t care anymore. 20 years here on OB but I’m done. .
drunk randoke
“Let us have peace.” General Grant
Seems like this "understanding and empathy " is only thought to be "woke" in one direction. Nobody seems to "understand " and "empathize " that right now, today, there is no damned racism in The Eyes of Texas!
I'm never leaving. I will be at every game old sport....
Best article you’ve written in my opinion Ketch. Thanks and great use of James 1:19.
Call the police I heard you know how to do that!
yes, there is a whole thread, now in the corral. Now this former player's message basically confirms he has been teaching this to our players for years.
I have no idea what you're talking about... Cool story though..
I'm out, and no I don't expect many of you to give a shit. Here's where UT lost me.
1. Donating funds to such a divisive organization such as BLM. To be clear as a NRA member I would also be against UT donating anything to them as well.
2. The last time I Sang with my grandpa, and my uncle it was to The Eyes Of Texas it was also the last time I saw them alive. Neither one of those great MEN or myself have a racist bone in our body. This isn't to state that my meaning of the song is any more or less justified than the players, its just different. Differences is also what makes us unique and our experiences unique.
1. Donating funds to such a divisive organization such as BLM. To be clear as a NRA member I would also be against UT donating anything to them as well.
2. The last time I Sang with my grandpa, and my uncle it was to The Eyes Of Texas it was also the last time I saw them alive. Neither one of those great MEN or myself have a racist bone in our body. This isn't to state that my meaning of the song is any more or less justified than the players, its just different. Differences is also what makes us unique and our experiences unique.
If UT throws The Eyes away, and agrees to all the other requests from the players... will the racial healing on Texas’ campus be complete? Or will there be something else deemed racist next year, and the year after, and the year after? Or something deemed racist to a completely new group of players in a few years, that wasn’t racist to this years group of players?
What about the University of Texas being a friend and partner of Nike, who uses modern day slavery to make our uniforms, shoes and athletic gear? Why do they get a pass? Our partnership helps keep their slave sweatshops open. Shouldn’t UT give all the money Nike has given us back over the use of modern day slavery?
Why doesn’t our program ban the usage Apple products? Women and children and Uygher muslims in China make those under slave conditions as well.
What about the middle eastern countries the University of Texas receives donations from, and partners with in various avenues? It’s still punishable by death to be homosexual in many of those countries. On top of that, many of them still use slavery in 2020, treat women and children like 3rd class citizens, and have legal honor killings.
Why is UT allowed to play music on the loud speakers before and during athletic games that promotes violence, degrades women, and promotes drug use? What if students/fans at UT were offended by that? No more rap & hip hop music within the athletic department?
Texans killed Native Americans and Mexicans conquering the state of Texas. Stephen F Austin had slaves. People spoke yesterday about burning down the Alamo in San Antonio. Where will the final line be drawn? Couldn’t everything on earth offend someone? Every single country and group of people on earth have a violent, oppressive past. It’s very shortsighted to view everything in the history of the world through a Present Day lens.
I don’t know exactly where the line should be drawn. I also respect the players feelings, and want the best for them and want them to enjoy their time at Texas and be proud of it... at the same time— this is just a really slippery slope that could go on and on forever and it will never please everyone. It’s been happening around the country for years now, and now it’s banging on college football’s door.
What about the University of Texas being a friend and partner of Nike, who uses modern day slavery to make our uniforms, shoes and athletic gear? Why do they get a pass? Our partnership helps keep their slave sweatshops open. Shouldn’t UT give all the money Nike has given us back over the use of modern day slavery?
Why doesn’t our program ban the usage Apple products? Women and children and Uygher muslims in China make those under slave conditions as well.
What about the middle eastern countries the University of Texas receives donations from, and partners with in various avenues? It’s still punishable by death to be homosexual in many of those countries. On top of that, many of them still use slavery in 2020, treat women and children like 3rd class citizens, and have legal honor killings.
Why is UT allowed to play music on the loud speakers before and during athletic games that promotes violence, degrades women, and promotes drug use? What if students/fans at UT were offended by that? No more rap & hip hop music within the athletic department?
Texans killed Native Americans and Mexicans conquering the state of Texas. Stephen F Austin had slaves. People spoke yesterday about burning down the Alamo in San Antonio. Where will the final line be drawn? Couldn’t everything on earth offend someone? Every single country and group of people on earth have a violent, oppressive past. It’s very shortsighted to view everything in the history of the world through a Present Day lens.
I don’t know exactly where the line should be drawn. I also respect the players feelings, and want the best for them and want them to enjoy their time at Texas and be proud of it... at the same time— this is just a really slippery slope that could go on and on forever and it will never please everyone. It’s been happening around the country for years now, and now it’s banging on college football’s door.
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drunk randoke
“Let us have peace.” General Grant
drunk randoke
“Let us have peace.” General Grant
Since they already play Texas Fight right after a win that basically leaves March of the Longhorns, March Grandioso, or deafening silence. It seems clear they're not going to be playing The Eyes of Texas after games any more and the song could very well be done as far as the band is concerned. I'm not sure how you can make allowances for the players but require the band to play it.
I’m kinda with you here. I had no clue that that even existed. When did the song in shows with blackface stop? I know 99% of this board probably had no clue of the history, and that’s probably because none of us even had any sense to believe that song was nothing more than a uniting thunderous song of our great university. I’m not saying it did or didn’t have any racial connotation a hundred years ago. I think the symmetry of it is a tad bit fuzzy, and almost seeks to draw a racial line. Sometimes things can be disregarded as having an undertone, right? Who props these things up to keep minorities angered or triggered when its obvious for all of us that I don’t sing the eyes with a racial undertones? The last thing on my mind, even if I had vaguely heard of this history, would be disunity. I’m puzzled by some of these requests, and as hinted by @HuffTex, they want their own separate hall for black players? Sooooo, separate but equal? It makes no sense to me. Not every black or white player makes the hall of honor. We cannot hope to achieve equality in everyone’s eyes if we are so focused on recognizing any player because of what race they are. I’m pretty damn sure some of the biggest names to cross through this university have their names pinned in the stadium and even have statues. I’m terrified of this current direction because I know the cancel culture that exists of people that have differing viewpoints
I hope Texas athletics remains competitive and the BMDs don’t move on to other things. I’m concerned. These people are not used to being given demands. I’m afraid things have changed forever and the budget will have to be severely adjusted.
I cant see a situation where the Eyes of Texas is ever played at another Texas sporting event ever again.
That may not have been what the players were aiming for, but as you said, what we have learned in the last 3 days cant been un-learned. Not only do you have to convince all the football players to have the song be played before the game, but you have to convince the entire UT band, an organization with 400-500 members that are almost all liberal pro BLM students and many black students, to all stand together and play the song. If ONE black member of the UT band tweets out that they refuse to play the Eyes, what percentage of their band mates will stand in solidarity with that one person on their protest and refuse to play it? My money is on 98% of them.
So how do you tell the football players they don't have to be there and stand for the song, but then you tell 400-500 band members that they have to stand there and play the song?
Bottom line, even if the song has a 90% in favor and 10% against it ratio... do you really want the pre-game hype machine program to include something that can divide the home teams fans in any way? How many fans that are anti-Eyes of Texas are going to be pumped up for kickoff 5-10 minutes after hearing that song?
This is a cant put the toothpaste back in the tube situation we have here. And if the BMDs want to take their ball and go home over it like petulant little children, Ill be happy to have my seats upgraded to their much better and now vacant seats.
EDIT: I thought my post aboit members of the band was very insightful and original until I got down to Ketch's elmo gif after posting this. Insert my own elmo gif here.
That may not have been what the players were aiming for, but as you said, what we have learned in the last 3 days cant been un-learned. Not only do you have to convince all the football players to have the song be played before the game, but you have to convince the entire UT band, an organization with 400-500 members that are almost all liberal pro BLM students and many black students, to all stand together and play the song. If ONE black member of the UT band tweets out that they refuse to play the Eyes, what percentage of their band mates will stand in solidarity with that one person on their protest and refuse to play it? My money is on 98% of them.
So how do you tell the football players they don't have to be there and stand for the song, but then you tell 400-500 band members that they have to stand there and play the song?
Bottom line, even if the song has a 90% in favor and 10% against it ratio... do you really want the pre-game hype machine program to include something that can divide the home teams fans in any way? How many fans that are anti-Eyes of Texas are going to be pumped up for kickoff 5-10 minutes after hearing that song?
This is a cant put the toothpaste back in the tube situation we have here. And if the BMDs want to take their ball and go home over it like petulant little children, Ill be happy to have my seats upgraded to their much better and now vacant seats.
EDIT: I thought my post aboit members of the band was very insightful and original until I got down to Ketch's elmo gif after posting this. Insert my own elmo gif here.
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People are upset because this was played at a minstrel show (when the people didn't know better) and no one is talking about how everyone on the team is a christian, and it says you should stone the gays in that book.
Oh it has changed since that was written?
Well so has this song.
Oh most christians don't believe you should stone the gays?
Well no one who sings the eyes of Texas thinks a minstrel show is right, or thinks that the song represents anything other than love.
"First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me"
"The Eyes of Texas are Upon You " is aspirational. It is a reminder to be your best self as though an omniscient presence were aware of you actions.
Most lives contain some good acts and some not so good acts. Does one bad act mean that all the good acts must be erased?
Should FDR be removed from the dime and social security abolished because he interred people who had Japanese ancestry?
Should the VW beetle be banished because Hitler played a role in its development?
Should we erase the moon landing because the rockets were designed by former Nazis?
Should we stop teaching Keynesian economics because Keynes was proponent of eugenics?
Is redemption still possible, or does one bad act condemn us?
Most lives contain some good acts and some not so good acts. Does one bad act mean that all the good acts must be erased?
Should FDR be removed from the dime and social security abolished because he interred people who had Japanese ancestry?
Should the VW beetle be banished because Hitler played a role in its development?
Should we erase the moon landing because the rockets were designed by former Nazis?
Should we stop teaching Keynesian economics because Keynes was proponent of eugenics?
Is redemption still possible, or does one bad act condemn us?
I suppose it comes down to this for me.
Were those dudes expected to just swallow their feelings forever on this or do they deserve to be able to say how they feel?
Why would anyone give to an organization that vilifies it’s benefactors for not meeting the standards of future generations?
Does he know that the person who wrote that song probably said the N-word once in his life?
Guess that song is out, too, since all that matters is that if ANYTHING AT ALL IS OFFENSIVE TO ANYONE THEN WE SHOULD GET RID OF IT.
he just knows how to threaten to pull guns on folks that wish to fight him.
They didn't say how they felt. They issued a list of terrorist demands to the University.
