Ketch's 10 Thoughts From the Weekend (More talented than the team that got Mack fired?...)

[Ketchum]

Actually 5. I had Gray's log wrong. It's actually worse
9
30
50
68
87
16
56
111
106
74
47
29
18

RoJo's last season
26
32
59
30
121
95
46
9
37
18
22
105
49

So they had the same number of 100+ games. Roschon's 3rd highest (95) was better than Gray's (97). Roschon had an appreciably higher YPC and 3 more TDs.

a. I think you meant 87 for Gray.

Let's eliminate the 100 yard games and just look at the next 8 best performances.

1. Roschon 95
2. Gray 87
3. Gray 74
4. Gray 74
5. Gray 68
6. Roschon 59
7. Gray 56
8. Gray 50

The numbers are screaming at you. I can't make you hear them.

b. If you're going to mention touchdowns, you have to mention that Bergeron's numbers have to get merged into Gray's numbers the way none of the current backs had to worry about touchdown snipers.

 

[Ketchum]

Also, Brown was banged up and missed 5 games with injury in 2012, but we're talking about a five-star back that is still playing in the NFL and did the following as a freshman:

named second-team Freshman All-America by Yahoo! Sports … named the Big 12 Newcomer of the Year (AP, Houston Chronicle, San Antonio Express-News, Fort Worth Star-Telegram) and the Big 12 Offensive Newcomer of the Year (Kansas City Star)

Expectations were still very high for both.

 

[Juarez Your Problem]

I’m loving the football discussion.

Moar plz.

 

[wfoot]

The thing that got Mack fired was his teams were trending worse with little fire power due to his incredible inability to recruit the talented QBs who would have played at Texas. This while Briles was putting teams on the field that were fired up to play to the max on every snap. Mack let himself down, later admitted it. He never recovered from the NC game loss while still at Texas. Me neither.

 

[wfoot]

a. He put Texas basketball on the map with entertaining play. Full stop.

b. Thomas was better than you're making him out to be. Three-year starter and twice was named honorable mention all-conference by the league's coaches.

Which cornerbacks on the current roster earned all-conference honors of any kind?

c. Bijan gets an edge over Malcolm by a smidge, but the other current backs were not more highly thought of in real time than the other backs that existed, especially Gray coming off of his best season and pre-injuries.

d. I love how you think I'm giving OU too much credit. How many Big 12 titles in a row have they won?

I think you give Ou too much credit always, but especially this year. We should beat them this year. We have better players. But you seem to put them on a pedestal when our games with them have been very close and competitive. Last year Sam threw three passes that hit receivers in the hands, any one of which would have been a TD or very close. If play makers had made plays we would have won that game. Two years before we lost by a TD when Kris Boyd failed to either catch or deflect a ball that was thrown right to him that, instead, went for a TD. These games were close, competitive, and turned, not on dominance by Ou, but a couple of plays that went their way. They are not unbeatable as shown by their pathetic performance against LSU.

It's not that I don't understand that they have had the upper hand during the last few years when Texas football has been at an all time low. It is that I don't expect us to stay at our lowest point continually.

 

[jspirohorn]

Wide Receivers

1. 2020: junior Brennan Eagles/senior Tarik Black/sophomore Jake Smith/redshirt freshman Jordan Whittington (5 points)
2. 2013: senior Mike Davis/junior Jaxon Shipley/sophomore Kendall Sanders/sophomore Marcus Johnson (4 points)
​

Confirmation bias IMO. You might want the 2020 team on top too badly. Mike Davis had 2nd team All Big 12 honors coming into 2013 and Jaxon Shipley had shown himself dependable. Brennan Eagles has shown athleticism and glimmers but poor consistency and has red flags entering the year.

Tight Ends

1.2020: senior Cade Brewer/sophomore Jared Wiley/sophomore Malcolm Epps (5 points)
2. 2013: junior Greg Daniels/junior Geoff Swaim (4 points)
3. 2015: junior Caleb Bluiett/sophomore Andrew Beck (3 points)
4. 2010: sophomore Barrett Matthews/senior Greg Smith (2 points)
5. 2017: junior Garrett Gray/freshman Cade Brewer (1 point)​

A digression but one day this list will be an obscure drinking game for Longhorn fans.
QUOTE="Ketchum, post: 14421765, member: 20"]
Cornerbacks​

2010: junior Aaron Williams/senior Chykie Brown/senior Curtis Brown (5 points)[/QUOTE] How is possible this group underperformed so badly?​

 

[jah4550]

Re: Wide receivers, I would move the 3 group up to 2.
Re: Penders - same reaction
Re: Defense being middle of the road, it will need to be better than that for Anwar to be wrong about his 8-2 prediction. But from some of the other postings, I thought our defense was going to be pretty solid this year and better than middle of the road.

 

[jah4550]

It's amazing that he did all that he did while never telling anyone in the last few years. That's a lot of heart and want-to.

I have loved all of this movies and how big he was on screen. Now that we know what he was going through as he filmed them, I can't help but have a very deep respect and admiration for the man. He is an inspiration to every one and helped show some of the goodness of this world.

 

[RLong68]

lol. k.

Lol. K.

 

[RLong68]

a. I think you meant 87 for Gray.

Let's eliminate the 100 yard games and just look at the next 8 best performances.

1. Roschon 95
2. Gray 87
3. Gray 74
4. Gray 74
5. Gray 68
6. Roschon 59
7. Gray 56
8. Gray 50

The numbers are screaming at you. I can't make you hear them.

b. If you're going to mention touchdowns, you have to mention that Bergeron's numbers have to get merged into Gray's numbers the way none of the current backs had to worry about touchdown snipers.

LOL. Yes, the numbers are screaming at me. the '12 group with 3 guys totaled 2k yds & 25 TDs. The '19 guys with 2 guys totaled less than 100 fewer yds, and 18 TDs. And now it's adding a 5-star RB. They are screaming. Pretty sure you aren't listening.
You're sorta spiraling out of control now with all sorts of ifs, and butts.

 

[txfight]

Tom Penders BMW teams were one of the first reasons I started wanting to attend UT. Loved that cocky SOB!

 

[Ketchum]

I think you give Ou too much credit always, but especially this year. We should beat them this year. We have better players. But you seem to put them on a pedestal when our games with them have been very close and competitive.

what is UT's record against OU in the last three years under Herman.

how many conference titles has OU win in a row?

Just to be clear, Texas was down by two touchdowns with five minutes to go in last year's game, right?

I'm going to need you define what very close is because like the LSU game a year ago, I think Texas fans romance the shit out of losses.

 

[Ketchum]

LOL. Yes, the numbers are screaming at me. the '12 group with 3 guys totaled 2k yds & 25 TDs. The '19 guys with 2 guys totaled less than 100 fewer yds, and 18 TDs. And now it's adding a 5-star RB. They are screaming. Pretty sure you aren't listening.
You're sorta spiraling out of control now with all sorts of ifs, and butts.

You are ignoring that the 2013 group also had a five-star returning to it in Malcolm Brown with regards to being healthy... yanno... the best player in the 2013 group.

 

[Touchstone]

But, is this one of those things?

Did Penders tell his secretary to fax one of his player's grades (Luke Axtell) to Bill Schoening at KVET to get even with Axtel, or at least harm him, then deny any involvement, then let his friend and assistant Eddie Oran take the blame for this? That's my recollection. If so, then yes that is hard to forgive.

 

[TD TX TD VY]

I've heard that Penders had a habit of drunk dialing his players and critiquing their games, sometimes on long voicemails.

 

[Ketchum]

Did Penders tell his secretary to fax one of his player's grades (Luke Axtell) to Bill Schoening at KVET to get even with Axtel, or at least harm him, then deny any involvement, then let his friend and assistant Eddie Oran take the blame for this? That's my recollection. If so, then yes that is hard to forgive.

Hard, no doubt.

20 years = hard.

more than that feels like a b it of a life sentence. Is that set of actions worth that?

I don't feel like it. At some point, I think moving on if possible isn't an awful idea.

 

[Ketchum]

I've heard that Penders had a habit of drunk dialing his players and critiquing their games, sometimes on long voicemails.

There were lots of rumors. It was bad at the end.

 

[www67legend]

Terrific column in all respects. That last picture...

 

[mi16]

I don't see how the 2020 team could be compared yet with out playing any games. You basis is on 2019 numbers which is a different team

 

[Ketchum]

Terrific column in all respects. That last picture...

Yeah man...

 

[Ketchum]

I don't see how the 2020 team could be compared yet with out playing any games. You basis is on 2019 numbers which is a different team

I'm comparing the 2020 team compared to those teams based on how we viewed those position groups COMING INTO THOSE SEASONS.

I'm not comparing the 2020 team versus those year's actual productivity.

 

[gold67]

I think you give Ou too much credit always, but especially this year. We should beat them this year. We have better players. But you seem to put them on a pedestal when our games with them have been very close and competitive. Last year Sam threw three passes that hit receivers in the hands, any one of which would have been a TD or very close. If play makers had made plays we would have won that game. Two years before we lost by a TD when Kris Boyd failed to either catch or deflect a ball that was thrown right to him that, instead, went for a TD. These games were close, competitive, and turned, not on dominance by Ou, but a couple of plays that went their way. They are not unbeatable as shown by their pathetic performance against LSU.

It's not that I don't understand that they have had the upper hand during the last few years when Texas football has been at an all time low. It is that I don't expect us to stay at our lowest point continually.

Sam was sacked 8 times. They replaced 4/5 O lineman and we never got to Jalen.

 

[Touchstone]

Hard, no doubt.

20 years = hard.

more than that feels like a b it of a life sentence. Is that set of actions worth that?

I don't feel like it. At some point, I think moving on if possible isn't an awful idea.

Has he apologized?

 

[Ketchum]

Has he apologized?

I have to think things have been made good before this step could be taken.

 

[Touchstone]

I have to think things have been made good before this step could be taken.

I don’t want to beat this to death. I just think he threw two subordinates, presumably his friends, Eddie Oran and his own secretary under the bus to try to save himself but I haven’t thought much about it or looked into it since it happened. We can just disagree on this.

 

[Seved]

Hard, no doubt.

20 years = hard.

more than that feels like a b it of a life sentence. Is that set of actions worth that?

I don't feel like it. At some point, I think moving on if possible isn't an awful idea.

What I saw---with my own eyes---was worse than any of this. Penders was not a good representative of the University. Leave it there.

 

[Ketchum]

I don’t want to beat this to death. I just think he threw two subordinates, presumably his friends, Eddie Oran and his own secretary under the bus to try to save himself but I haven’t thought much about it or looked into it since it happened. We can just disagree on this.

I just haven't had it explained to me what the statute of limitations on something like that is.

I agree that was a shitty thing to do and I was as close to anyone to it, considering Eddie Oran gave our station an exclusive interview... TWICE.

I suppose it would come down to Oran's feelings on this. I can't say I know if Tom has ever come correct.

 

[Ketchum]

What I saw---with my own eyes---was worse than any of this. Penders was not a good representative of the University. Leave it there.

I'd guess you didn't see more than me. It would be hard to. I was in it. But, it's been 20+ years.

 

[Ketchum]

Sam was sacked 8 times. They replaced 4/5 O lineman and we never got to Jalen.

They seem to like their OL, even with the losses.

 

[wfoot]

what is UT's record against OU in the last three years under Herman.

how many conference titles has OU win in a row?

Just to be clear, Texas was down by two touchdowns with five minutes to go in last year's game, right?

I'm going to need you define what very close is because like the LSU game a year ago, I think Texas fans romance the shit out of losses.

Sorry, but I respectfully disagree with your view point that Texas has not been competitive in the last three RRS against Ou. One turned on Kris' failure to make a play that he clearly should have made. Last year's was less competitive, but Sam threw three balls that should have been caught, any or all of which would either have been touchdowns or close.

The LSU game would have been tied at the time had Keontay simply caught a ball that was lobbed to him. The 3d and 17 blitz almost certainly cost the TD that was the slim difference in the game.

Close games are those decided by a play or two that one team makes and the other fails to make. All three of those games went the other teams' way because they made the game winning plays. But the difference in those three games we lost was only three TDs total. Our guys played hard and were competitive in each of those games.

 

[Ketchum]

I still don't know that I've fully had it explained to me how long the Penders sentence was supposed to last.

We've seen other school completely disassociate themselves from players, only to welcome them back with open arms eventually.

Bobby Knight went back to Indiana.

Reggie Bush went back to USC.

Two decades seems long enough.

 

[Ketchum]

Sorry, but I respectfully disagree with your view point that Texas has not been competitive in the last three RRS against Ou. .

I didn't say they weren't competitive.

That's a misnomer.

 

[Ketchum]