Ketch's 10 Thoughts From the Weekend (Ok, let's talk about what happened this weekend...)

[Ketchum]

If the position coaches do a great job of development that will eventually help recruiting, won’t it?

No doubt. There's a how much time question that remains the rub with investing almost entirely in that side.

 

[Ketchum]

Flower Mound Marcus... for 38 years now! Named after Edward S. Marcus, of Neiman-Marcus fame.

damn me.

 

[Ketchum]

Crazy thought, but what if you hire position coaches that are not only great developers of talent, but also great recruiters? Last time I checked it isn't a one or the other type of thing.

More times than not, as assistant is either one or the other, but rarely both.

Usually, you invest in recruiting.

 

[boernefan]

Crazy thought, but what if you hire position coaches that are not only great developers of talent, but also great recruiters? Last time I checked it isn't a one or the other type of thing.

No, it wasn't one or the other but the emphasis was on development. If development is recognized as being outstanding, that will help in recruiting . However it will take some time to determine if they are great at recruiting. This is not a good time to evaluate them at Texas.

 

[boernefan]

More times than not, as assistant is either one or the other, but rarely both.

Usually, you invest in recruiting.

That is what Tom did with his first staff. They did a very good job at recruiting, didn't they?

 

[zbill]

damn me.

Edward Marcus had an Angus farm in Flower Mound. He donated land from the farm for the high school, hence the name. FM Marcus made it to the 5A state finals in football in the 90’s, winning once.
Baylor all American Lauren Cox played for Marcus, the third pick in this years WNBA draft.

 

[jspirohorn]

The position coaches were hired because of their proven development of players.

I'm not sure that I would include proven in your sentence for most of the recent position hires.

 

[boernefan]

I'm not sure that I would include proven in your sentence for most of the recent position hires.

All but the WR coach had a history of development. I don't know about the WR coach.

 

[St. Vince 4 Prez]

No, it wasn't one or the other but the emphasis was on development. If development is recognized as being outstanding, that will help in recruiting . However it will take some time to determine if they are great at recruiting. This is not a good time to evaluate them at Texas.

In the end the best teams year in and year out recruit the best players. That is why you consistently see the same teams at the top. The TCU's of the world that develop talent well, don't have too many great seasons stacked upon one another.

It's cool you are in the wait and see mode. However, while I might think that some coaches will be better at teaching kids, it won't matter in the long run if we don't win big and our recruiting classes begin to suffer.

 

[jspirohorn]

All but the WR coach had a history of development. I don't know about the WR coach.

Depends on the scale you are referring to. Neither Hagen, Huntzler, Valai nor Coleman (or Hand for that matter) have distinguished records of putting players into the NFL. Actually, same with Hand. I'd be shocked if any of them ranks anywhere close to top 20 at their position groups.

 

[boernefan]

In the end the best teams year in and year out recruit the best players. That is why you consistently see the same teams at the top. The TCU's of the world that develop talent well, don't have too many great seasons stacked upon one another.

It's cool you are in the wait and see mode. However, while I might think that some coaches will be better at teaching kids, it won't matter in the long run if we don't win big and our recruiting classes begin to suffer.

I agree. Recruiting at Texas is a challenge. Most of the recruits we go after are offered extra benefits by some schools. The kids that are willing to accept these benefits will not not come here. To get the kids that meet our standards, we have to have top facilities. We have to provide the best academic, strength and conditioning, health and nutrition as well as coaching.
We have to prove that we care about our athletes beyond football. See our running back and linebacker for proof that we have their best interest at heart, even if they are never able to play for us.
We are in the process of insuring that all this takes place but it takes time.
I believe in what we are doing, I just hope enough great young men accept the challenge of making Texas great the right way.

 

[Ketchum]

That is what Tom did with his first staff. They did a very good job at recruiting, didn't they?

For the most part. Some were not what I would call elite in either phase.

 

[boernefan]

For the most part. Some were not what I would call elite in either phase.

How would you grade the current staff in a way to early poll on development and recruiting? Just what you expect? How does this compare to the replaced staff on those two different functions?