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Shit, who knows?Garner might be what you were going for.
It depends on the starting and finishing line. The Barnes at the end wasn't the Barnes in the beginning or middle.One of those coaches is not like the other; at least based on performance at Texas.
That's a tough one to answer because I don't quite know how good I think Shaka is Good question, though. I don't know if I could answer it.The Barnes at the end sucked, nobody would dispute that and that's why he was fired. Shaka is currently worse than the shitty Barnes at the end. It seems everyone but you can see that.
Question: How many of the current coaches who have teams ranked in the top 25 would you say are inferior coaches to Smart?
Now this makes sense to me. I also agree Shaka has been better than most people think and losing Jones has been brutal. However until he wins consistently I think that @Ketchum calling him a "damn good coach" sounds incredibly aggie-like when we are 8th in the conference and fighting for our tournament lives every game.I think he's better than a lot of Texas fans think, and to act like he wasn't one of the top hires when he came to Texas is rewriting history based on his results at Texas. During his first year, many Texas fans on here posted they thought he'd reach Final Fours soon.
There are aspects I think he's good at (defense, individual player development, recruiting, long-term vision and program construction, connecting with people and players) and areas I think he needs to get much better in (offense, implementing more schematic influence > player freedom, generating consistent results).
I think he's a good coach that hasn't done, overall, a good job at Texas generating results so far for many reasons. Perhaps he will in the future. Perhaps he won't. The collection of three and four-year talent that will be on future rosters is good.
I don't know about votes because Chris Beard probably runs away with that, a guy that's 2-3 vs. Smart and should have been 1-4, but if Smart finished .500 in the league I bet he'd get a vote because .500 probably puts a team 5th, maybe in a tie for 4th in this league. Only OU and Iowa State are within 100 spots of Texas (337th out of 351) in team experience (youth).
I do think some Texas fans, for reasons I don't understand, have dismissed Jones being away from the program as something that shouldn't have significantly influenced the season. At one point, Notre Dame lost seven straight games after losing its best offensive player during that whole stretch, and its point guard for four of those games after being 13-3, and 3-0 in the ACC. Life on the hardwood in good leagues isn't easy when you subtract an offensive talent like Jones.
If Jones is healthy, Texas is probably something like 19-8 and we're not even having this discussion.
How would you rank him in the Big 12?I don't know if I'd use the word inferior, but there are probably six or seven I'd prefer Smart over.
Basically, Dustin agrees with me, which mean that you agree with me, even if you don't know it.Now this makes sense to me. I also agree Shaka has been better than most people think and losing Jones has been brutal. However until he wins consistently I think that @Ketchum calling him a "damn good coach" sounds incredibly aggie-like when we are 8th in the conference and fighting for our tournament lives every game.
IMO, he doesn't even need to be a damn good coach for us to win if he can keep recruiting. All he really needs is an experienced roster and an assistant coach to implement an effective offense because he seems to have control over defense and can really develop talent. Again, not saying he is not a damn good coach, but calling him that before he wins consistently sounds like aggies chanting SEC when they can't even compete in their division of their conference. Let's wait for Shaka to win at least one tournament game before we get too carried away...
Some Horn fans are whiney bitches.Funny watching some of you argue with a column you haven't read.
It speaks to something...
@Ketchum can you please explain what Shaka Smart did at VCU that made him a better coach than other VCU coaches in the last 20 years? Please explain what other former VCU coaches have done in subsequent jobs and why Shaka Smart is different. He is .500 at TX in 3 seasons. Please tell us, why you are elevating him over other former VCU coach failures?
I can agree with that. I certainly dont think he's not a damn good coach, just dont think he's shown that he is one yet. Just thought your title is a little premature. Fair?Basically, Dustin agrees with me, which mean that you agree with me, even if you don't know it.
Big 12 CoachesHow would you rank him in the Big 12?
They had exactly one season with as many as he had in six straight years.@scary jarbro
Interesting question. Here are the results from Kenpom, which only goes back to 2002, so it does not quite cover 20 years. In the 11 years where Shaka was not the coach at VCU their average Kenpom rank was 87.36. They made the NCAA Tournament 5 out 0f 10 years with a 2-4 record.
In the 6 seasons that Shaka was at VCU their average Kenpom rank was 38. They made the NCAA Tournament 5 out of 6 years with a 6-5 record. So, Shaka was pretty special at VCU
Well, the title was going for an affect. That's what headlines and good writing do.I can agree with that. I certainly dont think he's not a damn good coach, just dont think he's shown that he is one yet. Just thought your title is a little premature. Fair?
What happened 1 time? A disappointing tournament showing? I'm talking about the fact that out of 7 appearances / 1 Amazing tournament run happened... / otherwise not much
Getting completely blown out as a 5 seed against a 4 seed is absolutely a disappointing showing.
I think he's better than a lot of Texas fans think, and to act like he wasn't one of the top hires when he came to Texas is rewriting history based on his results at Texas. During his first year, many Texas fans on here posted they thought he'd reach Final Fours soon.
There are aspects I think he's good at (defense, individual player development, recruiting, long-term vision and program construction, connecting with people and players) and areas I think he needs to get much better in (offense, implementing more schematic influence > player freedom, generating consistent results).
I think he's a good coach that hasn't done, overall, a good job at Texas generating results so far for many reasons. Perhaps he will in the future. Perhaps he won't. The collection of three and four-year talent that will be on future rosters is good.
I don't know about votes because Chris Beard probably runs away with that, a guy that's 2-3 vs. Smart and should have been 1-4, but if Smart finished .500 in the league I bet he'd get a vote because .500 probably puts a team 5th, maybe in a tie for 4th in this league. Only OU and Iowa State are within 100 spots of Texas (337th out of 351) in team experience (youth).
I do think some Texas fans, for reasons I don't understand, have dismissed Jones being away from the program as something that shouldn't have significantly influenced the season. At one point, Notre Dame lost seven straight games after losing its best offensive player during that whole stretch, and its point guard for four of those games after being 13-3, and 3-0 in the ACC. Life on the hardwood in good leagues isn't easy when you subtract an offensive talent like Jones.
If Jones is healthy, Texas is probably something like 19-8 and we're not even having this discussion.
Correct, even the GOAT has some head scratchers but nobody ever questions what the GOAT is doing when it comes to his system. His teams have a very clear offensive identity. I'm arguing that Shaka fails at the system level.I agree that he does do stuff that makes my head scratch, but all coaches do that. Shit, I questioned about 5 things Belichick did in the super bowl, from clock management at the end of the half to player personnel decisions to game strategy... and he's the GOAT.
Right- but in terms of the substance of the article, going out on a limb and endorsing shaka as strongly as you did sounds like aggie until Shaka is consistently winning or can win at least 1 tournament game. While I haven't turned on Shaka like a lot, and I don't think he's a bad coach, I certainly am not singing his endorsement or calling him damn good yet.Well, the title was going for an affect. That's what headlines and good writing do.
No.@Ketchum Can you draw up our fast break completion.
I haven't been taking notes.@Ketchum What is our early offense?
More than one.@Ketchum How many different sets do we run with 15 on the shot clock and 10 second sets.
I don't draw well.@Ketchum Draw up 5 inbounds plays we run. Can you draw up how many sets we run against a zone.
I don't disagree with your comments or questions.Correct, even the GOAT has some head scratchers but nobody ever questions what the GOAT is doing when it comes to his system. His teams have a very clear offensive identity. I'm arguing that Shaka fails at the system level.
I don't think Shaka's capable of implementing a high level offensive system so he needs to hire an elite offensive assistant who can make up for his shortcoming.
When we hired Shaka I thought we were getting the Jurgen Klopp of college basketball because I thought "havoc" would be the "gegenpressing" of college hoops. Klopp wouldn't be the same coach if he abandoned his system. I'm not sure why Shaka abandoned "havoc."
I didn't really give an endorsement. I called him a failure thus far at Texas and a guy that might not make it.Right- but in terms of the substance of the article, going out on a limb and endorsing shaka as strongly as you did sounds like aggie until Shaka is consistently winning or can win at least 1 tournament game. While I haven't turned on Shaka like a lot, and I don't think he's a bad coach, I certainly am not singing his endorsement or calling him damn good yet.
You said in your article "Instead of focusing on what he hasn't done with this team, let's focus on what he has done.." And I agree that if you do that, he has done enough to stick around and stay relevant. But, if you focus on his entire body of work (what he both has and has not done), he still has a lot to prove.
Some on here are idiots too.Some Horn fans are whiney bitches.
There's no chance that Texas is letting him go after this season for a million reasons, none of which are "optics" or political reasons IMO. CDC's fresh arrival, KD's unwavering and very important support for Shaka, Andrew Jones' unfortunate situation, etc. He'll be back. I hope to hell I'm eating crow for what has been a disastrous start to his Texas career, but not sure how next year can be better than this one unless Coleman takes a massive leap next year.
OL discussions? Huh?Some on here are idiots too.
Shaka's record at UT is .506. I guess if your bar is .500 then he is rocking it. Fact is he sucks and you can put as much lipstick on stats as you want, but he is barely over .500.
Ketch I like what you have to say about most everything non-political. But you are out of your mind on Shaka. Well I take your OL discussions with a grain of salt too, going back to Macks 5-7 season.
It’s terrible.No.
You should have 4 as a base. This is why there is zero continuity on offense
I haven't been taking notes.
There isn’t one. Unexcuasable.
More than one.
20-30+ is the right number with late season additions
I don't draw well.
That could easily have been written about Barnes. Yet, here we areIt is OK for anyone to be disappointed with a number of our close losses this year....we all are. However, anyone who does't appreciate what a great job Shaka Smart is doing in building a sustainable winning program with integrity and class doesn't know their butt from a hole in the ground about college basketball.
I am excited about where he has our program headed. Think about what he inherited when you consider minutes for 4 of the 5 positions on the floor this year are being filled with players in their first year at UT. We only likely lose one of those guys next year. Things are looking up!
Quit bitching and support this guy and the Horns.
Big 12 Coaches
Tier 1
Bill Self
Tier 2
Bob Huggins
Lon Kruger
Tier 3
Shaka Smart
Scott Drew
Jamie Dixon
Chris Beard
Tier 4
Bruce Weber
Tier 5
Mike Boynton
Steve Prohm
I can’t stop seeing aggy in that gif. Throw it away and never use it again.