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Ketch's 10 Thoughts From The Weekend (TCU is a bit of a free hit for UT)

Gaga plays the piano, acoustic guitar and the drums.

She's an all-time song-writer.

Iconic performer and singer.
This is my only problem with your list. Gaga stacks up against most of your list. For those questioning Prince they should watch him on stage with other stars at the RNR HOF playing While My Guitar Gently Weeps.
 
23 and 29. I’m guessing that they know some of his music, but don’t realize that it’s Prince. The point is that he’s not relevant to them. The others that I listed are. That’s weird for someone that you consider the best ever. This is a great bar argument, though, even if I think that you are very wrong
Well, what they know doesn't change the task of the list, which was to rank the musical giants.

Lot of young people don't know a lot of things.

But, when they learn...

 
This is my only problem with your list. Gaga stacks up against most of your list. For those questioning Prince they should watch him on stage with other stars at the RNR HOF playing While My Guitar Gently Weeps.
She could have easily have made it.
 
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@Ketchum are we not giving that KS game enough attention. It feels like possibly the biggest trap game I can remember. Barring an OU like blowout vs TCU we will be coming out of Saturday after playing two hard fought games against top 15 teams. Not to mention Daniel’s will be back.
 
@Ketchum are we not giving that KS game enough attention. It feels like possibly the biggest trap game I can remember. Barring an OU like blowout vs TCU we will be coming out of Saturday after playing two hard fought games against top 15 teams. Not to mention Daniel’s will be back.
It's two weeks away.
 
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What a difference two weeks can make.

In the aftermath of an ugly second-half performance in Stillwater, the Longhorns were fourth in a four-team pile of Big 12 schools trying to position themselves for two spots in the Big 12 Championship game.

In the 14 days that followed ...

* TCU has one foot and a couple of toes into the title game as the regular season No. 1.

* Oklahoma State has dropped back-to-back games and is suddenly in a bit of a hole with three Big 12 losses.

* Baylor has a pair of Big 12 road wins in Lubbock and Norman, which suddenly has the Bears swapping positions with Oklahoma State in the pecking order for the No. 2 spot in the championship game.

Most important for the Longhorns is that they returned to the field in Manhattan on Saturday night and with all of the carnage around them opening up a pathway to the Big 12 Championship game, Steve Sarkisian's troops won on the road for the first time in 13 months to take the pole position in a race between five teams that have either two or three losses in the conference standings.

With three games to go, the Longhorns will play in Arlington in the first week of December with three more wins. More important than Saturday's game against undefeated TCU is a looming match-up with the Bears at home that could emerge as a winner-take-all game for that title game slot.

Consider the schedules of the teams that remain.

* Baylor: vs. Kansas State, vs. TCU and at Texas
* Kansas State: at Baylor, at West Virginia and vs. Kansas
* Oklahoma State: vs. Iowa State, at Oklahoma and vs. West Virginia
* Kansas: at Texas Tech, vs. Texas and at Kansas State

If any of those teams can run the table, they might very well take the No. 2 spot away from the Longhorns but it's hard to imagine any of these teams in their current states being able to run the table on the remaining three games. More than likely Oklahoma State and KU have losses in them that would take them to four losses. The loser of the KSU/Baylor game next weekend will also have three losses.

No matter the outcomes of the KSU/Baylor and TCU/Texas, the Baylor game after Thanksgiving feels massive.

If Texas beats TCU, it would still need to beat Baylor (and KU) to potentially avoid losing a three-loss head-to-head tiebreaker with the Bears, even if Baylor loses one of its next two games.

While the Bears might be the enemy in a few weeks, Texas fans should probably prefer that the Bears beat Kansas State this weekend because KSU could coast to wins against West Virginia and KU in the following weeks to end the regular season with a 7-2 conference record.

A loss to Baylor might nuke KSU's season because in the event of a tie with three losses at the end of the season, the Wildcats would be at tiebreaker disadvantages with the two teams most likely to finish tied with them.

As big as this week's game against TCU feels, it's probably more important for the Longhorns to beat Baylor at the end of the season than it is to beat the Horned Frogs.

Of course, winning out takes care of everything, regardless of what happens in the other games, but make no mistake about it ... the stakes will likely be enormous when the Bears come to town with a stomach full of turkey on the 25th. As long as Baylor beats Kansas State and Texas beats KU, nothing else will likely matter.

Likely.

Isn't this fun?

No. 2 - I'm going to say it ...

Bijan Robinson has surpassed Jamaal Charles in my mind as the fourth-best running back in the history of the Texas program.

He's on the Texas running back Mount Rushmore with Ricky, Earl and Ced.

After rushing for 209 yards on Saturday night on the road at Kansas State, his seventh straight game of 100 yards or more, Robinson needs to average only 123 yards per game in the next three weeks to surpass Charles to become the school's No. 4 all-time leading rusher. Should he play in a Big 12 Championship game and/or the bowl game that the Longhorns qualified for on Saturday, he might just put some distance between himself and the ultra-dynamic, ultra-explosive Charles.

Believe me, I don't say these words lightly, but consider the following:

1. Robinson's seven straight 100-yard games this season is more than twice as good as the best stretch of football that Charles put together while he was at Texas from 2005-07 (had a three-game 100+ yard streak in 2007). Robinson also had a string of five straight 100+ yard performances in 2021.

2. Overall, Robinson has 16 100+ yard rushing performances in his career to date, which is double the number that Charles had in his career at Texas (8).

3. Robinson has five games of more than 100 yards rushing against ranked teams. As crazy as it is to believe, Charles did it only twice.

4. Robinson is probably the best receiver out of the backfield in the history of the Texas program, as he has more receptions, yards touchdowns and a higher yards per reception than Charles, who was no slouch out of the backfield as a receiving threat. While Robinson won't finish his career with more receptions than Eric Metcalf, he has already surpassed him in receiving yards, receiving touchdowns and yards per reception (13.4 vs. 11.1), despite playing one less season.

5. Robinson trails only D'Onta Foreman and Jimmy Saxton by 0.1 yards per carry for the highest yards per carry of any running back in school history (minimum 150 carries). As far as I can tell, he also has the highest yards per reception of any running back in school history that currently ranks inside the program's top 100 in receiving yards.

If he can increase his yards per carry by a mere 0.1 over the next few weeks, he could finish his career with the highest yards per carry and yards per reception of any back in school history.

This isn't rarified air. This is the rarified air of rarified air.

Apologies to Charles, who only finished his career in rarified air.

No. 3 - About Quinn...

Everyone just needs to relax.

Five-star status or not, it always made sense that Texas redshirt freshman Quinn Ewers would go through some growing pains during his first season as a starter. Sure enough, as he heads into the final three games of the season, Ewers has a fairly pedestrian 141.7 efficiency rating, which would rank fourth in the Big 12 behind Baylor's Blake Shapen (147.6) if Ewers had enough attempts to qualify (he soon will).

From my perspective, let's focus on the critical positives before we start handing out constructive criticism.

1. Against a defense that had created more interceptions (11) against opposing teams than touchdown passes (9), Ewers did not turn the ball over on Saturday night. Very quietly, that's so critically important and shouldn't be taken for granted. The thing that people were worried about the most in August wasn't an issue.

2. He played well enough to help lead his team to a road win against a ranked team with serious stakes on the line.

Don't underrate the importance of these two points as it relates to his long-term development as a player.

The constructive criticism?

1. The deep balls are a work in progress. This is actually an issue that has existed since high school, but back then people lost their minds when it was suggested that Ewers wasn't perfect. He's not. The deep ball is often one of the last pieces of the puzzle for young quarterbacks to put into place. It's an issue of timing, chemistry and mechanics all coming together, which is something that often takes more time than the fans supporting them want to give. I've always mentioned Troy Aikman as a player when discussing the deep ball because it took him a couple of years in Dallas as the No. 1 overall pick in the Draft before it became a strength in his game. Like Aikman, it's just a matter of time before it starts to come together for Ewers. How much time? That's the part that can't fully be answered.

2. It's not an issue of arm strength and arm talent because few kids from the state of Texas have ever had more, but it's a matter of harnessing that ability. From my perspective, Ewers is dynamic throwing the ball in the short, the short-intermediate and almost any throw outside of the hashmarks. On the deep-intermediate and deep areas of the passing tree, he far too often puts a little too much air under the ball. Remember that throw against Oklahoma to Ja'tavion Sanders?



Ewers can make THAT throw, which most humans walking the earth can't make, even a lot of them that play for a living on Sundays. He has the arm to throw that ball on a line 15 to 20 yards further down the field, but he doesn't do it consistently. Far too often, his mechanics cause him to float balls that require his receivers to make in-air adjustments on the ball that will lead to incompletions at this level because defensive backs are good enough to make up ground on open receivers if the ball hangs in the air too long. You can go back to his high school film and see it.

It's not a sin that he's still putting the pieces of his game together in real time as a starting quarterback at this level.

I'm not worried about Ewers. You shouldn't be either.

When it all comes together, he's going to be awesome. Until it does, he's going to be something less than that. Simple as that.

No. 4 - KELVIN MFING BANKS!!!!

In his first nine games as a college football left tackle, freshman Kelvin Banks has been forced to tangle with Alabama's Will Anderson, Texas Tech's Tyree Wilson and Kansas State's Felix Anudike-Uzoma.

All he has done is stone-wall all three of them into being mostly non-factors in more than 180 minutes of football.

It's time we stop talking about him competing for freshman all-America honors and it's time to start talking about him competing about big boy all-America honors.

He's the best offensive lineman in the Big 12 at the most stress-producing position along the line of scrimmage.

The fact that Texas will likely get another 30 games out of him before he heads off to the NFL is not just a blessing, it's a dream come true of the highest magnitude when you consider that the Longhorns haven't truly had a player like him since Justin Blalock departed in 2006.

When five stars like him truly go boom, this is what it looks like.

No. 5 - Scattershooting on the Longhorns ...

... For the first time this season, I'm really starting to wonder if Jaylan Ford will be playing in the NFL next season. A solid player early in the season, Ford has turned into the best playmaking linebacker in the Big 12. No Big 12 linebacker has more interceptions, forced fumbles and fumble recoveries. He's among the leaders at his position in tackles for loss. He might come back for a senior season, but he'll certainly have something to think about and I'm not sure how much higher of a level he would reach as a college player, which is a true nod to just how good he's been this season.

... TCU averages 43 points per game. Texas averages 36. It feels like it might take 40 on Saturday.

... TCU is first in offensive passing efficiency and Texas is sixth in defensive passing efficiency. That might very well be the battle that decides the game.

... Texas is first in the Big 12 in kickoffs. Who would have thought this would be the case through nine games?

... Barryn Sorrell leads the Longhorns with four sacks this season, but it feels like he could have 10 if he closed the deal at the point of reaching the quarterback a little better. That'll come, probably next year.

... After not catching a touchdown in the first three games of the season, Xavier Worthy leads the Big 12 with 9, which is three more than the next closest receiver. He might not hit 1,000 yards this season, but he seems to be a sure thing for double-digit touchdown receptions for the second year in a row.

... As good as Deuce Vaughn is, he can't hold a candle to the season TCU's Kendre Miller is having. If you don't know the name by now, you probably will in a few days.

... The Texas volleyball team gets a chance for revenge on Wednesday night when it plays Iowa State at Gregory. I expect an emphatic response after dropping its only match of the season two weeks ago.

No. 6 – BUY or SELL …

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(Sell) The Longhorns absolutely could run the table. The two toughest games left on the schedule are home games, which Texas seems to specialize in.



(Sell) He might have too much ground to make up. He's still outside the top 10 with the oddsmakers.



(Buy) That's likely not going to happen again. The passing game as a whole left a lot to be desired.



(Sell) I think it's a bunch of small things that all add up to the struggles. I'm not a believer that these issues come down to one prevalent theme.



(Sell) It might happen, but the bottom line is that recruits don't live on week to week emotions like fans do, at least the majority of them don't.



(Sell) See above. I think it might mean more for the 2024 class than the 2023 class.



(Buy) That hurts, but it's not completely off-base.


(Sell) He's getting his money, you better believe that.



(Sell) There's still a part of me that thinks D'Shawn Jamison is the answer to this question. He rarely gets tested ... and that's for good reasons. Ford is the biggest playmaker on the unit, though.



(Sell) It's a little soon to say such a thing definitively. .



(Buy) A&M still has those two convinced that its NIL pathways are more profitable and easier to cash in with. We'll see if that changes. Their ears are open.



(Sell) TCU isn't going to be held to 20 points. The rest of that stuff might happen, though.



(Buy) In general, Kyle Flood likes bigger humans at guard, which could lead these two to a battle for the center spot.



(Push) I think it all comes down to the final three games.



(Sell) It's a good question, but my confidence in this team's ability to win games is growing, especially with two out of three at home.

No. 7 - Congrats, Astros fans ...

The better team won. As disappointing as it is to lose a World Series as a Phillies fan, the reality of how good the Astros are compared to everyone else in the sport was always evident.

Better pitching. Better hitting. Better performance in the clutch.

It feels like the Astros were just better than the Phillies in every key area over the six-game series.

The Astros are a historically great team. Enjoy it and stop worrying about what other people say.

It's beneath a team with two titles and four World Series appearances during this run they are on.

No. 8 - Scattershooting on anything and everything ...

... If I had a vote that mattered ...

1. Georgia
2 Michigan
3. Ohio State
4. TCU
5. Tennessee
6. USC
7. Oregon
8. LSU
9. UCLA
10. Ole Miss

... Heisman Ballot: 1. RB Bijan Robinson (Texas), 2. QB Caleb Williams (USC), 3. QB CJ Stroud (Ohio State), 4. RB Blake Corum (Michigan) and 5. QB Hendon Hooker (Tennessee)

... Brian Kelly is showing what you get when you hire a head coach with a guarantee on the box. He might not be a natural fit at LSU, but that dude can coach.

... I'm really starting to believe that we're watching Nick Saban's last year. Does he really want to break in a new quarterback? Does he really want to coach in the NIL world?

... If Georgia played Oregon this weekend, would things really be much different than the first match-up early in the season?

... I can't wait for USC/UCLA in two weeks.

... When will Drake Maye play someone worth a damn?

... Kansas is bowl eligible. Give Kansas head coach Lance Leipold all the coaching awards.

... Sam Ehlinger was sacked nine times on Sunday and finished with a 45.6 rating against the Patriots. Woof.

... All Cameron Dicker does is kick game-winning field goals.

... I can't believe the Bills lost to the Jets. I can't believe Zach Wilson beat Josh Allen.

... Tyreek Hill is a Hall of Fame talent building up his resume. He's the modern-day Bob Hayes.

... Aaron Rodgers was far from the best player on the field on Sunday ... against the Lions.

... Jeremy Pena is some kind of player.

... My man has built hospitals, schools, neighborhoods and given untold amounts of money to families all over his country... and they did him like this.


... The LAFC/Philadelphia game was the best MLS game I've ever seen. I watched more of it than Georgia/Tennessee.

... Gareth Bale hadn't done much all season and hadn't played in a month, but he came on in extra time and did this. He's a man made for the big moment.


No. 9 - The List: Top 10 Musical Talents of the Last 100 Years ...

It's not about simply playing an instrument. It's not about being a singer. Or a performer. It's about the whole package.

I'm sure there won't be any disagreements.

10. Quincy Jones
9. Jimi Hendrix
8. Trent Reznor
7. Brian Wilson
6. Chuck Berry
5. Miles Davis
4. Ray Charles
3. Michael Jackson
2. Paul McCartney
1. Prince

No. 10 - And Finally ...

In the event you've got a few minutes to kill, take a look at UT Hoops' news five-star commitment looks like on the floor.

He's velvety smooth.

It took Jeff Choate like 10 games to put in Jaylon Ford last year and bench Brockermeyer. He did it second half of Kansas game after we went down 21. Ford change caused like 5 straight 3 and outs in second half and we almost won. In first half Brockermeyer was responsible for 3tds by himself. What does this say about Jeff Choate and our coaching staff ? I still saw Bush out there this past Saturday.
 
It took Jeff Choate like 10 games to put in Jaylon Ford last year and bench Brockermeyer. He did it second half of Kansas game after we went down 21. Ford change caused like 5 straight 3 and outs in second half and we almost won. In first half Brockermeyer was responsible for 3tds by himself. What does this say about Jeff Choate and our coaching staff ? I still saw Bush out there this past Saturday.

It kind of speaks for itself.
 
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23 and 29. I’m guessing that they know some of his music, but don’t realize that it’s Prince. The point is that he’s not relevant to them. The others that I listed are. That’s weird for someone that you consider the best ever. This is a great bar argument, though, even if I think that you are very wrong

You keep conflating relevance with talent/ability.

The Beatles were a pop boy band when they broke into mainstream. Lots of covers, a simple, bubble gum pop music. They didn’t start flexing their creative muscles till “Rubber Soul”, their sixth album in five years. This created a library of diverse songs ranging from simple sing alongs to musical masterpieces. A super diverse library leads to a larger fan base.

Prince has never put anything out that could be construed as “pop”, and most of his albums are complex musical compositions.
 
BTW... he did this when he was 19.

He was basically one of the greatest musical prodigies in the history of music.
Well, McCartney did 2 albums where he played all the instruments, sang and wrote all the songs. For that matter, so did Phil Collins but he does not deserve any thoughts of a top 10 artist of the last 100 years.

I think you are confusing "prodigy" with greatness. Prince was great, actually unbelievable. But I think Rolling Stone has it correct at #27. His actual songs were mostly just good.

BTW, Jimi Hendricks is not top 10 either. He just does not have the catalog of truly great songs. Maybe if he had lived we could agree, but 4 years of music cannot be top 10 unless the songs were spectacular. He was an average vocalist as well. That said, I could go with top 10 most influential.
 
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Well, McCartney did 2 albums where he played all the instruments, sang and wrote all the songs. For that matter, so did Phil Collins but he does not deserve any thoughts of a top 10 artist of the last 100 years.

I think you are confusing "prodigy" with greatness. Prince was great, actually unbelievable. But I think Rolling Stone has it correct at #27. His actual songs were mostly just good.

BTW, Jimi Hendricks is not top 10 either. He just does not have the catalog of truly great songs. Maybe if he had lived we could agree, but 4 years of music cannot be top 10 unless the songs were spectacular. He was an average vocalist as well. That said, I could go with top 10 most influential.
a. Rolling Stone has him ranked as an artist. I'm talking about pure talent.

b. On the same Rollins Stones list you cited for Price, Hendrix is listed as No.6

This is what John Mayers said of him:

"So often, he's portrayed as a loud, psychedelic rock star lighting his guitar on fire. But when I think of Hendrix, I think of some of the most placid, lovely guitar sounds on songs like "One Rainy Wish," "Little Wing" and "Drifting." "Little Wing" is painfully short and painfully beautiful. It's like your grandfather coming back from the dead and hanging out with you for a couple of minutes and then going away. It's perfect, then it's gone.

I think the reason musicians love Hendrix's playing so much is that the language of it was so native to his head and heart. He had a secret relationship with playing the guitar, and though it was incredibly technical and based in theory, it was his theory. All you heard was the color. The math is what's been applied ever since.

I discovered Hendrix by way of Stevie Ray Vaughan. I heard Stevie Ray do "Little Wing," and I started working my way backward to Hendrix. The first Hendrix record I bought was Axis: Bold As Love, because it had "Little Wing" on it. I remember staring at the album cover for hours. Then I remember spending months listening to Electric Ladyland, which was very creepy. There's something dark about it in certain places that maybe Hendrix was too honest to hide.

Hendrix invented a kind of cool. The cool of a big conch-shell belt. The cool of boots that your jeans are tucked into. If Jimi Hendrix is an influence on somebody, you can immediately tell. Give me a guy who's got some kind of weird-ass goatee and an applejack hat, and you just go, "He got to you, didn't he?"

Hendrix has the allure of the tragic figure: We all wish we were genius enough to die before we're 28. People want to paint him as this lonely, shy figure who managed to let himself open up on the stage and play straight colors through the crowd. There's something heroic about it, but there's nothing human about it. Everybody is so caught up in his otherworldliness. I prefer to think about his human side. He was a man who had a Social Security number, not an alien. The merchandising companies put Jimi Hendrix's face on a tie-dyed T-shirt, and somehow that's what he became. But when I listen to Hendrix, I just hear a man, and that's when it's most beautiful — when you remember that another human being was capable of what he achieved. Who I am as a guitarist is defined by my failure to become Jimi Hendrix. However far you stop on your climb to be like him, that's who you are.?"
 
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Bob Dylan, Frank Sinatra, John Lennon and your definition of women apparently excludes women?
 
Bob Dylan, Frank Sinatra, John Lennon and your definition of women apparently excludes women?
all received serious consideration.

Aretha Franklin is the only woman in the top 35 of their top 100 artists lists.

Aretha was in my top 10 until the final cut.
 
Ewers is facing the toughest defenses on the schedule right now. He should have a pretty nice outing vs. TCU and Kansas.

Baylor defense is also nothing special this year.

Expecting a nice finish for young QE3.
 
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You keep conflating relevance with talent/ability.

The Beatles were a pop boy band when they broke into mainstream. Lots of covers, a simple, bubble gum pop music. They didn’t start flexing their creative muscles till “Rubber Soul”, their sixth album in five years. This created a library of diverse songs ranging from simple sing alongs to musical masterpieces. A super diverse library leads to a larger fan base.

Prince has never put anything out that could be construed as “pop”, and most of his albums are complex musical compositions.
I’m not conflating anything. I’m looking for a way to take the discussion away from the subjective. We get that you Prince fanboys think that Prince is the best, but your opinion alone doesn’t prove greatness. There are people out there who rank the Stones ahead of the Beatles for goodness sake. If you look at this objectively you’d have to admit that most of the world thinks that McCartney is an unparalleled genius while they just kind of shrug when it comes to Prince. Is it really possible that you and Ketch have this figured out and the rest of us just missed it? And that’s before we even start asking people to rank their songs. There are, what, 20 McCartney songs that you could rank as greater than the best Prince song? There are 10 Elton John songs that come before the best Prince song.

Let’s Go Crazy and Little Red Corvette aren’t pop songs? His Sheena E stuff wasn’t pop music? Hell, lots of his stuff is not much more than fun 80’s dance music.
 
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Also, let's keep it real... no one did sex better than Prince.


"Around the same time my hormones kicked in, I discovered Prince’s third album, Dirty Mind, on my dad’s shelf. Maybe it was the cover — Prince in tiny black briefs, an open jacket, and a neckerchief, eye-humping anyone who looked at it — or simply the title itself, but I knew this was my aural sex education. I listened to it the way other people studied hidden porn stashes hidden in their older siblings’ closets, sure it would unlock some awesome lesson. Which it did: that the world is full of beautiful, sexual, freak-deaky people, and Prince was their king.

He exuded the kind of pansexual charisma that made people feel like he wanted to sleep with them, no matter their preference — a true gift. Onstage, he knew how to grind a guitar, thrust a pelvis, and pout a lip in a way that made it really easy to imagine what sex with him would be like. (Great.) His style was genderless, androgynous, ever evolving but uniformly designed to hug both nut and butt, which fueled more fantasies than we’ll ever know. He was so comfortable in his own sexuality that there wasn’t a single corner of sexiness that wasn’t his to explore and challenge and openly enjoy. And his sexual fluidity created space for everyone’s desires and impulses, allowing him to write the best, most empowering **** anthems, which soundtracked their own explorations.

For the woman who wants to sleep with whomever she wants in wanton disregard to other people’s feelings? Here’s “Little Red Corvette” and a pocket full of Trojans. For those who want to explore a whole world of cybersex, fire up “Computer Blue” and go crazy with the webcam. Did you want to pull a Nikki in a hotel lobby with a magazine? Other people might stop you, but Prince would not, and in fact he composed your naughty heartsong. I still have no idea what “Scarlet Pussy” is about, but it really speaks to someone out there.

It doesn’t matter if you want your sex tender (“I Love U in Me”), or nasty (“Do Me Baby”), or if you want to have it with multiple partners, just one person, or really just yourself (“Cream”) — even if you want to pay for it, be paid for it (“International Lover”), or beg for it (“How Come U Don’t Call Me Anymore”). Prince has a song for every desire — but with one overarching principle: Everyone who listens better get off in a fashion worthy of his sex jams."
 
Loved your takes on Quinn & Bijan!

But the great Brian Wilson # 7? Huh? After all the great 60's classics? After Pet Sounds? Smile? Not to mention a slew of other great songs Post Smile {i.e. Sail On Sailor, Love & Mercy, Rio Grande, etc}? ---Music that not only profoundly influenced but changed music {Sgt. Pepper never gets made without Pet Sounds} forevermore like no one else except maybe {& its a big maybe} The Beatles? C'mon man!

Only Paul McCartney might be his equal & even he, himself, would scold you for your gross oversight.
 
If you look at this objectively you’d have to admit that most of the world thinks that McCartney is an unparalleled genius while they just kind of shrug when it comes to Prince."

Honestly, what the **** are you talking about?
 
Loved your takes on Quinn & Bijan!

But the great Brian Wilson # 7? Huh? After all the great 60's classics? After Pet Sounds? Smile? Not to mention a slew of other great songs Post Smile {i.e. Sail On Sailor, Love & Mercy, Rio Grande, etc}? ---Music that not only profoundly influenced but changed music {Sgt. Pepper never gets made without Pet Sounds} forevermore like no one else except maybe {& its a big maybe} The Beatles? C'mon man!

Only Paul McCartney might be his equal & even he, himself, would scold you for your gross oversight.

It's all subjective. I have no issue with anyone thinking Wilson should be ranked higher. He's a musical genius.
 
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Honestly, what the **** are you talking about?
You really need to put down the crack pipe on this. Prince isn’t considered in the same league as McCartney’s by the general public. Same with people like Lennon, Freddy, and Michael. That doesn’t mean that he shouldn’t be, but Prince just isn’t as relevant as you think he is from a popularity standpoint. That matters when we discuss greatness.
 
Prince as a performer


"Very few artists manage to translate the full power of their studio recordings for live audiences. That wasn’t a problem for Prince. People talk about his live shows as if they were the labors of Hercules. They seemed to pass instantaneously into legend. Hey, did you hear? Prince played three shows in five hours somewhere in Belgium. … He celebrated the release of a book chronicling his unprecedented run of 21 straight sold-out nights at London’s 02 Arena by playing in a tiny NYC loft until the sun came up. The audience later discovered that they were all pregnant. … Prince played 60 songs (including covers of Michael and Janet Jackson, Graham Central Station, and James Brown) over four hours during an unannounced show in Los Angeles because he felt like it. … People’s ability to process time as a linear stream dissolved into ecstatic chaos because Prince played five encores at SXSW while wearing a hat in the shape of a lion. … The Dalai Lama wants to come back as Prince. … He fixed Lorne Michaels with that paisley stare and said, “I’m playing your show for as long as I want, and don’t you dare cut to commercial,” and Lorne barely managed to croak, “OK,” before blacking out. … He borrowed a 1961 Epiphone Crestwood from the guitarist from the Roots, then ****ing smashed it live on Fallon’s show; everyone agreed it was wrong, but what can you do, it’s Prince."
 
You really need to put down the crack pipe on this. Prince isn’t considered in the same league as McCartney’s by the general public. Same with people like Lennon, Freddy, and Michael. That doesn’t mean that he shouldn’t be, but Prince just isn’t as relevant as you think he is from a popularity standpoint. That matters when we discuss greatness.
I've stopped paying attention to everything you are writing on the subject.

My wife knows more about football than you know about Prince. 🤣 🤣 🤣
 
I've stopped paying attention to everything you are writing on the subject.

My wife knows more about football than you know about Prince. 🤣 🤣 🤣
You have weird blind spots for people like Prince and Miley.
 
Paul McCartney was literally a Prince fanboy.

When asked about the influence of Prince on the two songs, McCartney said “I can't think of other songs he has inspired, but those two definitely. I was always a big fan. I went to see him in concert a few times and wrote to him saying how much I enjoyed his guitar playing particularly.

 
I’m not conflating anything. I’m looking for a way to take the discussion away from the subjective. We get that you Prince fanboys think that’s Prince is the best, but your opinion alone doesn’t prove greatness? There are people out there who rank the Stones ahead of the Beatles for goodness sake. If you look at this objectively you’d have to admit that most of the world thinks that McCartney is an unparalleled genius while they just kind of shrug when it comes to Prince. Is it really possible that you and Ketch have this figured out and the rest of us just missed it? And that’s before we even start asking people to rank their songs. There are, what, 20 McCartney songs that you could rank as greater than the best Prince song? There are 10 Elton John songs that come before the best Prince song.

Let’s Go Crazy and Little Red Corvette aren’t pop songs? His Sheena E stuff wasn’t pop music? Hell, lots of his stuff is not much more than fun 80’s dance music.

No. They aren’t pop songs.

Your argument has way too many Whatabouts and relies on main stream popularity to prove a point.

Stephen King is more popular than Cormac McCarthy, doesn’t make him a better writer…
 
I can most definitely understand people debating the order of the list and who should be No.1, but there are about 100+ people that could have easily made the list and it would have been justified.

It's hard to take anyone seriously that's questioning the musical genius of anyone in the top 10.
 
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