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Ketch's 10 Thoughts From the Weekend (Texas needs more Tom Herman...)

Chance Mock got pulled for Vince Young in 2003.

You remember? That 65-13 debacle.

Chance had not thrown an INT all season, If I recall, first pass was intercepted. VY had a fairly good game running the ball, but refused to throw it. I recall Roy open several times but VY simply ran -- very frustrating. After one long run he fumbled; What a crap game.

Hook 'em!!!
 
I think CTH is just trying to get past this season, that is why he made no predictions other than effort. He just want new blood and close on a strong recruiting class. I do not think he believes he can win with this group. He will use this as leverage to close on recruits telling them they have a great chance to play early..I think UT executives gave him a long leash and he knows this..He doesn’t have a QB that fits his offense and he can’t wait to see the new QB’s..
 
I went through a long vetting process and I found myself lured to Merseyside. It might be the Cowboys fan in me.
For me, I have always loved soccer, and liked Arsenal and Bayern from a distance. Daughter now plays as a 13 y/o for FC Dallas and son plays for his high school in Tyler. My kids(as all kids today have) adopted EPL teams and it happened to be Man U. Therefore I evolved over the past several years to follow all their players, and pull for them without realizing it was happening. Now we have seen them play many times in person and I have become a diehard. Btw, I have also seen Liverpool a couple of times as well.
Big day at Anfield on morning of TX ou!
 
No, but he may need to make him ride in back until his stop.
He sounded like a guy today that was conceding control on Saturday's because he doesn't think he can do it on the field.
 
Chance had not thrown an INT all season, If I recall, first pass was intercepted. VY had a fairly good game running the ball, but refused to throw it. I recall Roy open several times but VY simply ran -- very frustrating. After one long run he fumbled; What a crap game.

Hook 'em!!!
Otherwise known as the day Texas lost Adrian Peterson for good.
 
For me, I have always loved soccer, and liked Arsenal and Bayern from a distance. Daughter now plays as a 13 y/o for FC Dallas and son plays for his high school in Tyler. My kids(as all kids today have) adopted EPL teams and it happened to be Man U. Therefore I evolved over the past several years to follow all their players, and pull for them without realizing it was happening. Now we have seen them play many times in person and I have become a diehard. Btw, I have also seen Liverpool a couple of times as well.
Big day at Anfield on morning of TX ou!
Thank goodness it's a 6:30 am start time.

Never thought I would type those words.
 
I think CTH is just trying to get past this season, that is why he made no predictions other than effort. He just want new blood and close on a strong recruiting class. I do not think he believes he can win with this group. He will use this as leverage to close on recruits telling them they have a great chance to play early..I think UT executives gave him a long leash and he knows this..He doesn’t have a QB that fits his offense and he can’t wait to see the new QB’s..

I truly believe that CTH wants to win every game, and is preparing, planning and doing everything that he knows to do to win every game. He came darn close to beating USC, and that was not expected by most. I don't think he has thrown in the towel on this year. I agree he has evaluated his talent, and has a significant challenge in most weeks of Big 12 play. We will beat KS this weekend. Then the fun begins.
 
He sounded like a guy today that was conceding control on Saturday's because he doesn't think he can do it on the field.
Yeah I posted that before I read the transcript. It was very definitive. He acted as if it was an impossibility, which paints him in a corner as it relates to him eventually having to throw his guy under the bus, if it doesn't start clicking.
 
If you watched the Texans game you saw Watson perform behind a so so offensive line. What he did was scramble for more time or threw quick, short passes before the defense was set. Shane does appear to be utilizing the quick pass; throwing to the flat is not a good option.
I didn't watch the Texans game but if you can't run the ball and they drop 8 you HAVE to throw underneath or take off running.
 
Otherwise known as the day Texas lost Adrian Peterson for good.

I remember being in the Exes tent before the game and he stopped by. It just seemed like he wanted none of it. Barely said a word, and I was wondering why he was even there. I think one of the coaches said something after the slaughter to the effect of, "We really need you." And his response was something like, "You need a lot more than me." Or something like that. Just an awful day all the way around.

Hook 'em!!!
 
I remember being in the Exes tent before the game and he stopped by. It just seemed like he wanted none of it. Barely said a word, and I was wondering why he was even there. I think one of the coaches said something after the slaughter to the effect of, "We really need you." And his response was something like, "You need a lot more than me." Or something like that. Just an awful day all the way around.

Hook 'em!!!
I remember him being there and having his horns in the air with a big smile on his face before the game in the same tent.
 
I truly believe that CTH wants to win every game, and is preparing, planning and doing everything that he knows to do to win every game. He came darn close to beating USC, and that was not expected by most. I don't think he has thrown in the towel on this year. I agree he has evaluated his talent, and has a significant challenge in most weeks of Big 12 play. We will beat KS this weekend. Then the fun begins.

Sure he wants to win of course. But if his job was on the line he would make bigger adjustments.He is sticking with his comfort zone and he was hired to get out of the box and really give 1000% effort to win. An example was allowing Beck to run a mis-direction play that resulted in a turnover after running the ball down their throats we would have went up 14-0 early and it would have greatly changed the landscape of that game. Do this crap against KS and Snyder will make you pay. He has to take over the offense or he should be fired. I'm sick of loosing our kids end up in NFL, and it's not a talent issue. Look what TCU does with 2& 3 star recruits. I'm sick of us hiring weak people that don't know how to coach and win. Can you imagine what PATTERSON could do it's our kids! We pay our coaches to much money, they get complacent and don't produce.
 
Sure he wants to win of course. But if his job was on the line he would make bigger adjustments.He is sticking with his comfort zone and he was hired to get out of the box and really give 1000% effort to win. An example was allowing Beck to run a mis-direction play that resulted in a turnover after running the ball down their throats we would have went up 14-0 early and it would have greatly changed the landscape of that game. Do this crap against KS and Snyder will make you pay. He has to take over the offense or he should be fired. I'm sick of loosing our kids end up in NFL, and it's not a talent issue. Look what TCU does with 2& 3 star recruits. I'm sick of us hiring weak people that don't know how to coach and win. Can you imagine what PATTERSON could do it's our kids! We pay our coaches to much money, they get complacent and don't produce.
Herman is learning on the job. That was always going to be the case with he hire of someone with less than three years of head coaching experience and none in a power conference.
 
Herman is learning on the job. That was always going to be the case with he hire of someone with less than three years of head coaching experience and none in a power conference.

So we pay a guy millions and he is learning on the job? Should have built contract around wins and loses. He is about to get an ass whopping next three games.I have nothing that indicates he is an offensive genius. I hope I have to eat my words in a month.
 
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As the calendar turns the page to October and the Texas football team walks into the teeth of the 2017 schedule, one theme stood out in my mind over the course of the last few days.

I need more Tom Herman.

Bitch all you want about the slow development of the offense on offensive coordinator Tim Beck, but Tom Herman largely landed the Texas gig because he's supposed to be the elite-level offensive guru/quarterback developer.

Not Beck.

When everyone was aiming high with nine- or 10-win season predictions just a month ago, it was because the perception was that the players on offense would thrive under the guidance of the man who helped lead Ohio State to a national title and Houston to a national resurgence.

Not Beck.

Tim Beck was hired to recruit his rear end off and (in theory) execute the Tom Herman vision. While Todd Orlando does his thing on the defensive side of the ball with full control, the anticipation was that Herman is fully involved with the offense.

So, save me the Tim Beck grief.

With the offensive personnel in a state of crisis in certain areas, it's tough to say that talent alone can save the Longhorns on the offensive side of the ball. They need the help of an offensive creator that is regarded as one of the best in the business. With all the respect in the world for any desire to protect and provide a boost to all of his assistants, the buck stops at the feet of the head coach.

This team needs more Tom Herman and it needs it right now. I don't believe it's hyperbole to say that the balance of the season rests on it.

No. 2 – The elephant in the room going into this week ...
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Neither quarterback that Texas currently has at its disposal is ready to quarterback a program like Texas to the type of season it strongly covets.

James Brown was a third-year player when the light switch came on in 1995. Vince Young was a third-year player when the light switch came on in 2004. Colt McCoy was a fourth-year player when the light switch came on in 2008.

Shane Buechele is 17 games deep into his second season. Sam Ehlinger is five games into his first season.

When I screamed caution to the masses with regards to the quarterback position all off-season, it had nothing to do with being a hater or having a favorite, it had everything to do with establishing realistic expectations at a position that has only seen Major Applewhite in 1998 and Colt McCoy's Cinderella season in 2006 achieve what is being demanded out of necessity from both players this season.

And this has nothing to do with having a poor offensive line, a lackluster running game with very little explosiveness, tight end play that is such that it's hard to warrant having any on the field and a first-year coaching staff that is still trying to learn the strengths of its team.

It's possible that what we're watching right now from Buechele is the best that Texas will ever get from him, but it's also possible that the grading of his abilities probably should not be taking place until his third year when he's had a fair opportunity to develop. It goes without saying that Ehlinger is still in need of development.

That's not me having an agenda, that's me being fair to both players.

No. 3 – Semi-Bold Prediction ...

I mentioned this in the Facebook Iowa State Post-Game Show on Thursday night, but here's how I see the next two weeks unfolding ...

a. I fully expect Tom Herman to give Shane Buechele a big endorsement on Monday when he meets with the media. It might be the biggest endorsement we've seen from Herman for Buechele yet.

b. Buechele gets the start against Kansas State and I'm expecting a tight slug-fest, one that won't see the Texas offense solve most of its issues. It's a 65%-35% contest coming in my mind, so let's call it Texas 20 Kansas State 13.

c. Texas gets off to a slow start against Oklahoma and Buechele gets replaced by Sam Ehlinger in the second quarter.

In a way, it kind of reminds me of the situation in 2003 when Texas went into the Oklahoma game without a full identity with Chance Mock holding the job over Vince Young. The pressure that comes in a game like Texas-Oklahoma is such that if and when the offense gets stagnant against the Sooners, the sense of urgency of the moment will lead to a switch at the position.

d. Ehlinger makes the start against Oklahoma State.

No. 4 - One excuse on offense that I refuse to buy ...

Collin Johnson needed more touches on Thursday night. In college football, you do whatever you have to do to get your best player involved in a game.

Period.

I don't want to hear that Iowa State dropped eight at times. I don't want to hear about bracket coverage or triple coverage or quintuple coverage.

Get him the damn ball. That it didn't happen is on the coaches, which means it's on Tim Beck, which also means it's on Tom Herman.

Defenses all over America sell out to stop great opposing receivers and somehow all over America, teams find a way to get their great players the ball so their great players can make great plays.

Texas didn't do that on Thursday. The Texas coaches are very well compensated to be smarter than their counterparts on the other sidelines, but they didn't do enough in that facet of the chess match that took place.

Save me the excuse-making. Just make sure it never happens again. Texas can't beat good teams when Johnson has less than 30 yards receiving in a game.

No. 5 – Buy or Sell …
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BUY or SELL: Herman is calling plays by the end of the year?

(Sell) Tom Herman seems like a ride or die guy with his boys. I think he's going to spend the rest of the season strongly defending Beck.

BUY or SELL: With the UT defensive improvement, Todd Orlando takes a head coaching job for the 2018 season?

(Sell) I think he's still a year away from getting a job worth taking.

BUY or SELL: Texas can somehow manage 2-2 over the next 4 games?

(Buy) Can? Sure thing. Will? That's a million dollar question, no?

BUY or SELL: UTwiz will handle the transition to Sam Ehlinger (and the success that follows) in a quiet and humble fashion?

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BUY or SELL: Texas ends up as a top-three team in the big 12?

(Sell) Hard for me to say at this point that Texas finishes in the top three.

BUY or SELL: We would be 3-1 with Zaire at QB and Sam would have redshirted?

(Sell) There's no evidence that he would have flipped one of the two losses.

BUY or SELL: With the attention he receives, the fame of his name, coupled with the difficult task of recruiting to Lubbock ... Tech would likely be better off just keeping Kingsbury and hoping he matures into a great coach then moving on from him?

(Buy) What else are they going to do?

BUY or SELL: The offensive line starts maturing and solidifies by the OU game?

(Sell) You realize that the OU game will be either 12 or 13 days away, depending on when you read this, right? What you're asking is going to take more than 13 days.

No. 6 – About Kansas State ...

This is a perfectly average football team.

In watching a perfectly average performance against Baylor on Saturday, there's nothing about this team that is especially scary.

Its passing game is meh. It runs the ball pretty well and uses its quarterback's legs considerably. The defense is pretty good.

This is a team that Texas should 100-percent beat.

No. 7 – If I had a vote that counts ...

1. Alabama
2. Clemson
3. Oklahoma
4. TCU
5. Washington
6. Penn State
7. Michigan
8. Georgia
9. Wisconsin
10. Washington State

No. 8 – Hot damn, Houston (again) ...
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Geez, that was an absolute bloodbath.

For the second straight week, it's impossible to begin any NFL thoughts without mentioning DeShaun Watson's performance, first and foremost.

My goodness, how good was he on Sunday? I think I'm more excited for Houston Texans fans today than I have been for them at any point in their history.

No. 9 – Eternal Randomness of the Spotty Sports Mind …

... You could see that USC loss to Washington State coming from a mile away. The Trojans just ain't right.

... The SEC is just terrible enough that Kevin Sumlin might keep his job.

... Very quietly, Washington is steamrolling through the season and looking like one of a handful of teams capable of possibly slowing a third Alabama/Clemson championship game down.

... Let's have a moment of silence for the Butch Jones truthers.

... Penny for Charlie Strong's non-filtered thoughts at the moment.

... I still can't believe LSU hired Ed Orgeron. What a wildly ridiculous decision.

... Sign of the Apocalypse: All it took to get Cam Newton going was the New England defense at Foxborough.

... There's not yet a Super Bowl-worthy team in the entire NFL. Everyone is pretty meh.

... Brutal honesty: I'm more excited about the start of the NBA season than the end of the MLB season.

... Man City is really good. Really good.

... It's a taken a few years to totally understand it, but being a Liverpool soccer fan is a little like being a Dallas Cowboys fan. Therefore, I'm well-prepared for my lot in soccer fan life.

No. 10 – And finally …

Speaking of being a Cowboys fan, my cousin John and his son Kevin Emmitt Smith flew to from Philadelphia to Dallas this weekend to catch the Cowboys/Rams game at Jerry World.

I purchased tickets for them through TicketCity because I wanted to be a good cousin.

So, what happens?

Rams 35 Cowboys 30.

Not one damn thing about what happened in that game was surprising. This is what regressing to the mean looks like.

@Ketchum

1) I believe that having troubles with the offensive line and inexperience at QB are not mutually exclusive. I think you have a legitimate point that its too soon to judge either QB but I also think they would be doing better than they are now with a good OL and efficient run game.

2) KC is Superbowl worthy I think. They are best in class in the NFL at the moment. Who knows what they will look like in 13 weeks when anybody can get injured at anytime but they look legit right now.
 
@Ketchum

1) I believe that having troubles with the offensive line and inexperience at QB are not mutually exclusive. I think you have a legitimate point that its too soon to judge either QB but I also think they would be doing better than they are now with a good OL and efficient run game.

2) KC is Superbowl worthy I think. They are best in class in the NFL at the moment. Who knows what they will look like in 13 weeks when anybody can get injured at anytime but they look legit right now.
Best in class in the current NFL isn't a glowing accomplishment.
 
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I think everyone on the board was screaming for a change by the 3rd quarter of the ISU game.
That fact that Buechele rode out all 4 quarters was damn right concerning!
Tom wasn't ready to open the can and get worms all over himself.
 
Sure he wants to win of course. But if his job was on the line he would make bigger adjustments.He is sticking with his comfort zone and he was hired to get out of the box and really give 1000% effort to win. An example was allowing Beck to run a mis-direction play that resulted in a turnover after running the ball down their throats we would have went up 14-0 early and it would have greatly changed the landscape of that game. Do this crap against KS and Snyder will make you pay. He has to take over the offense or he should be fired. I'm sick of loosing our kids end up in NFL, and it's not a talent issue. Look what TCU does with 2& 3 star recruits. I'm sick of us hiring weak people that don't know how to coach and win. Can you imagine what PATTERSON could do it's our kids! We pay our coaches to much money, they get complacent and don't produce.

If the misdirection play would have worked, CTH/Beck would have been hailed as geniuses. The offense is just not executing well now, and I presume it is due to the massive personnel changes needed every week due to the injuries, and very young players. I'll take CTH over Patterson. I really do believe that CTH is giving 1000% (or at least 100%), and he will get this thing turned. We were a sub .500 team for three years in a row. That is some bad ju-ju to turn around. The majority of posters here, thinking any coach could come in here, wave a magic wand, and get 11 wins was just silly. Saban went 6 - 6 and lost to Louisiana Monroe his first year at Alabama.

I predict a win this week against KS. I'll be happy even if it is another 17 - 7 slug fest. I will be happy with CTH's decisions regarding QB's, running backs and play calling as long as we get that win. Just win, Baby. And, I predict a better season that 6-6. I'll be happy with that, and the continual week to week development and improvement. I am having more fun this year than the last three. The administration and major donors at Texas are much more intelligent that than the median OB poster, and they are simply not going to fire CTH if he shows real improvement and growth in this team through the year, and ends the season with a winning record. Nor should they.
 
If the misdirection play would have worked, CTH/Beck would have been hailed as geniuses. The offense is just not executing well now, and I presume it is due to the massive personnel changes needed every week due to the injuries, and very young players. I'll take CTH over Patterson. I really do believe that CTH is giving 1000% (or at least 100%), and he will get this thing turned. We were a sub .500 team for three years in a row. That is some bad ju-ju to turn around. The majority of posters here, thinking any coach could come in here, wave a magic wand, and get 11 wins was just silly. Saban went 6 - 6 and lost to Louisiana Monroe his first year at Alabama.

I predict a win this week against KS. I'll be happy even if it is another 17 - 7 slug fest. I will be happy with CTH's decisions regarding QB's, running backs and play calling as long as we get that win. Just win, Baby. And, I predict a better season that 6-6. I'll be happy with that, and the continual week to week development and improvement. I am having more fun this year than the last three. The administration and major donors at Texas are much more intelligent that than the median OB poster, and they are simply not going to fire CTH if he shows real improvement and growth in this team through the year, and ends the season with a winning record. Nor should they.
Realism.
 
Regarding Colin Johnson, I'm not sure we needed to get it to him more.

The defense's job is to take away what we do best. That is CJ, as it applies to our QBs and our OL. He is the ghost in the machine that gets you beat by a struggling young offense.

And defenses can do that. They can take him away. But in doing so, they left other things MUCH more open. I saw them just bury Colin on multiple plays, and kind of set up for an "I dare you" interception opportunity.

With our staff's dangerous conservatism on offense these last few games, there was no way they were going to use CJ in that case.

What we really screwed up was that we never adjusted to exploit what they were leaving undefended as a result of doubling (and sometimes, with the safeties, tripling on CJ). They rushed three, and doubled CJ, and that means that on most plays we had a tall and fast receiver vs. an LB. We never attacked that and made them pay for it.

The defense tells you how you are going to have to win. And we didn't read it and respond to it. That, to me, was the big failure of the offense last week.
 
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If the misdirection play would have worked, CTH/Beck would have been hailed as geniuses. The offense is just not executing well now, and I presume it is due to the massive personnel changes needed every week due to the injuries, and very young players. I'll take CTH over Patterson. I really do believe that CTH is giving 1000% (or at least 100%), and he will get this thing turned. We were a sub .500 team for three years in a row. That is some bad ju-ju to turn around. The majority of posters here, thinking any coach could come in here, wave a magic wand, and get 11 wins was just silly. Saban went 6 - 6 and lost to Louisiana Monroe his first year at Alabama.

I predict a win this week against KS. I'll be happy even if it is another 17 - 7 slug fest. I will be happy with CTH's decisions regarding QB's, running backs and play calling as long as we get that win. Just win, Baby. And, I predict a better season that 6-6. I'll be happy with that, and the continual week to week development and improvement. I am having more fun this year than the last three. The administration and major donors at Texas are much more intelligent that than the median OB poster, and they are simply not going to fire CTH if he shows real improvement and growth in this team through the year, and ends the season with a winning record. Nor should they.
This is a great comment, and I agree. This offense is making some major errors--playing too conservatively and not cracking the code when rotating pieces (you can rotate pieces, but you have to be very clever about how you do it).

But this team still has 10x more fight in their bones than any team I've seen at Texas since probably 2009 and maybe once with Ash since then. We're on the edge of being much improved already, something we never seemed to get under Strong.

It's just going to be painful, require a lot of growth from both our players and our coaches, and will play out much more like childbirth than like winning the lottery.
 
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This is a great comment, and I agree. This offense is making some major errors--playing too conservatively and not cracking the code when rotating pieces (you can rotate pieces, but you have to be very clever about how you do it).

But this team still has 10x more fight in their bones than any team I've seen at Texas since probably 2009 and maybe once with Ash since then. We're on the edge of being much improved already, something we never seemed to get under Strong.

It's just going to be painful, require a lot of growth from both our players and our coaches, and will play out much more like childbirth than like winning the lottery.

We will get there. The defense has already taken a major step forward, its just taking the offense a little bit longer due to injuries and youth at key positions. Considering Offense is CTH's forte, I 'm not too worried about it. I'm worried more about how we are going to keep Todd Orlando here long enough for the offense to turn the corner than I'm worried that the offense won't turn the corner at all.

Would be really nice if we could get this offense figured out by next year. If not, we need to find a way to keep Todd Orlando here for 3 years. By year 3 I expect this offense to be humming.
 
If the misdirection play would have worked, CTH/Beck would have been hailed as geniuses. The offense is just not executing well now, and I presume it is due to the massive personnel changes needed every week due to the injuries, and very young players. I'll take CTH over Patterson. I really do believe that CTH is giving 1000% (or at least 100%), and he will get this thing turned. We were a sub .500 team for three years in a row. That is some bad ju-ju to turn around. The majority of posters here, thinking any coach could come in here, wave a magic wand, and get 11 wins was just silly. Saban went 6 - 6 and lost to Louisiana Monroe his first year at Alabama.

I predict a win this week against KS. I'll be happy even if it is another 17 - 7 slug fest. I will be happy with CTH's decisions regarding QB's, running backs and play calling as long as we get that win. Just win, Baby. And, I predict a better season that 6-6. I'll be happy with that, and the continual week to week development and improvement. I am having more fun this year than the last three. The administration and major donors at Texas are much more intelligent that than the median OB poster, and they are simply not going to fire CTH if he shows real improvement and growth in this team through the year, and ends the season with a winning record. Nor should they.
 
If the misdirection play would have worked, CTH/Beck would have been hailed as geniuses. The offense is just not executing well now, and I presume it is due to the massive personnel changes needed every week due to the injuries, and very young players. I'll take CTH over Patterson. I really do believe that CTH is giving 1000% (or at least 100%), and he will get this thing turned. We were a sub .500 team for three years in a row. That is some bad ju-ju to turn around. The majority of posters here, thinking any coach could come in here, wave a magic wand, and get 11 wins was just silly. Saban went 6 - 6 and lost to Louisiana Monroe his first year at Alabama.

I predict a win this week against KS. I'll be happy even if it is another 17 - 7 slug fest. I will be happy with CTH's decisions regarding QB's, running backs and play calling as long as we get that win. Just win, Baby. And, I predict a better season that 6-6. I'll be happy with that, and the continual week to week development and improvement. I am having more fun this year than the last three. The administration and major donors at Texas are much more intelligent that than the median OB poster, and they are simply not going to fire CTH if he shows real improvement and growth in this team through the year, and ends the season with a winning record. Nor should they.
 

I admire your awesome positive take on all this and hope you are right, but I think your comments about The UT executives is very naive. We don't have bad juju we have bad coaching.
 
It's more than injuries. Attrition is a major issue as well.
No doubt. What I really meant was that health of starting lineup would be critical to success since we've had attrition and have young and few backups.
 
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