Ketch's 10 Thoughts From the Weekend (The Big 12 is soooooooo weak)

[Frank Pentangeli]

I remember going to Expo 67, the world's fair in Montreal in my distant youth and seeing their vision of the future of housing, which looked something like that. Found a picture online:

I shouted out "free the Expo 67"
Til they stepped on my head
And told me I was fat.

Now I'm very big, I'm a big important man
But the only thing that's different
Is underneath my hat.

 

[Charlie Work]

absolutely. I have sensed from some admin that they know a Texas move will change the landscape of the entire sport.

IF Texas & OU stay do you think the B12 survives as a P5 or do you think they will be forced to move into a P4 scenario ?
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[Ketchum]

IF Texas & OU stay do you think the B12 survives as a P5 or do you think they will be forced to move into a P4 scenario ?
.

I think with ESPN not in a position to bail out the Big 12 moving forward, the safety net is pretty much gone.

Texas would be in a different league right now if what happened in 2010 and 2012 have happened five years later.

 

[coopdog]

I wonder at what point ESPN pulls the plug on LHN... there had to be escape clauses built in to the contract in case of crisis.

 

[Schein31]

They should for many reasons but to say players' aren't getting drafted do to being in the Big 12 is weak. Didn't stop all those picks from 1998-2008. League has one good team. That's why there are few picks . OU is one of only 2 schools with at least 4 players drafted the past 10 years . UT will be there next draft. I bet there are at least 10picks the next 2 seasons.

Do you not perceive the landscape different than itwas a decade ago?

Yes and no. I don't think the talent in TX is any less, but with teams like Baylor getting a few good runs, it made adding lesser players into more system friendly programs a trend.

Talent is still there and I don't think it's bc of the conference . Every conference is eb and flow and we are finally feeling that . Watch us be a respected national conference again once UT gets back to being UT. Trajectory is going up and by 2022 , it will be like the ACC today .

 

[golfpr3145]

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And what does this (the lack of respect for the Big 12) say about Texas high school talent, which we have always thought of as the best in the nation?

I would say that it doesn't say a thing considering a whole lot of Texas High School talent went out of state to other conferences to play their college ball. Alabama and Ohio State to name just a couple.

 

[Ketchum]

I would say that it doesn't say a thing considering a whole lot of Texas High School talent went out of state to other conferences to play their college ball. Alabama and Ohio State to name just a couple.

The state doesn't quite produce in enough volume for its rep.

 

[sodiumacetate]

The state doesn't quite produce in enough volume for its rep.

I disagree.

Looking at the 2016 opening day rosters:

1) Florida - 193 players
2) California - 187 players
3) Texas - 160 players
4) Georgia - 97 players
5) Ohio - 80 players
6) Pennsylvania - 66 players
7) Louisiana - 63 players

Source: Cleveland.com

Looks like Texas is right where most people would expect.

 

[86Horn]

I shouted out "free the Expo 67"
Til they stepped on my head
And told me I was fat.

So you were bullied and did not commit suicide?

 

[jspirohorn]

BUY or SELL: The Anwar Richardson Texas curse is real?

(Sell) I reserve the right to change my mind. One more season of sub-.500 play and I’m going to be of the opinion that there are no accidents in life, which means he’s a witch and we all need to be very careful about our next steps.

I think he would prefer to be called a warlock.

 

[jspirohorn]

trophies2 said: ↑
What say you?
I'd be fine with that if OU was coming with.

I go back and forth.

So are you saying that it may be ok to head to the B1G with OU or the B1G without OU? I don't see a viable path forward not involving OU unless it is the SEC - otherwise we're isolated from our two historical rivals.

 

[Ketchum]

I disagree.

Looking at the 2016 opening day rosters:

1) Florida - 193 players
2) California - 187 players
3) Texas - 160 players
4) Georgia - 97 players
5) Ohio - 80 players
6) Pennsylvania - 66 players
7) Louisiana - 63 players

Source: Cleveland.com

Looks like Texas is right where most people would expect.

I was speaking of this draft.

 

[Ketchum]

trophies2 said: ↑
What say you?
I'd be fine with that if OU was coming with.



So are you saying that it may be ok to head to the B1G with OU or the B1G without OU? I don't see a viable path forward not involving OU unless it is the SEC - otherwise we're isolated from our two historical rivals.

the question was merely about my preference in a league.

 

[Frank Pentangeli]

So you were bullied and did not commit suicide?

Chinese people were fighting in the park
We tried to help them fight, no one appreciated that
Martin X was mad when they outlawed bell bottoms
Ten years later they were sharing the same cell

 

[sodiumacetate]

I was speaking of this draft.

You said that the state (of Texas) doesn't quite produce in enough volume for its rep.

That reads as a general statement about the condition of things, not as a reflection on a single draft. If you are saying it didn't produce the volume this year as its rep, then fine. But in general it's still ranks at the top in generating NFL talent, and I don't think that is going to change.

The state had less this year than it historically does, but it's only one year away from having more players drafted than any other. You can't make a broad difinitive statement based off of either year. But our society has the collective attention span of a gnat, which leads to the posts questioning why the state of Texas can't produce NFL talent anymore.

 

[chastok]

I'll help. Wyoming had more players drafted than Texas. Wyoming.

How in the f#%# does anyone look at that and see problems with the big12 and not pin that fat freaking tail squarely on macks last desperate years and the incompetence of Charlie Strong?!?!

Good lord.

 

[Ketchum]

You said that the state (of Texas) doesn't quite produce in enough volume for its rep.

That reads as a general statement about the condition of things, not as a reflection on a single draft. If you are saying it didn't produce the volume this year as its rep, then fine. But in general it's still ranks at the top in generating NFL talent, and I don't think that is going to change.

The state had less this year than it historically does, but it's only one year away from having more players drafted than any other. You can't make a broad difinitive statement based off of either year. But our society has the collective attention span of a gnat, which leads to the posts questioning why the state of Texas can't produce NFL talent anymore.

Fair enough.

 

[bkrichmd1]

Texas and Oklahoma are likely going to have very little margin of error moving forward. Not sure they'll be getting a ton of benefit of the doubt,

Well if you think about it, it really comes down to the Texas/OU game with whoever wins that game. Just like it the way it used to be anyway. Maybe the conference championship game will bolster that, or screw it up. But really how many 2 loss teams make it to the CFP anyway?

 

[RLong68]

Solid call thus far on Tucker/James. King James struggling with 35 points.

 

[Ketchum]

Solid call thus far on Tucker/James. King James struggling with 35 points.

It'll be a four-game sweep. Forget I ever said it.

 

[jspirohorn]

the question was merely about my preference in a league.

I'm back and forth too but can only consider the B1G with OU in tow. I get the issues with the SEC, but it is an athletic conference, not an academic one. If we can win without major cheating then we need to go SEC IMO.

 

[PaulieD]

I've read comments about the demise of the B12.
Any comment on which conference could be potentials for Texas?

 

[BrushCountryHorn]

It baffles me that people fail to realize Texas is one of the big 12s biggest problems

Yeah, let's look at who the biggest problem is. OU, OSU, WV, and KSU looked then like they do now, but UT...

2013 PR:
By Wendell Barnhouse | wendell@big12sports.com
Big12Sports.com Correspondent

The first round of the 2013!NFL Draft Thursday night had three players selected from the Big 12 Conference. Oklahoma's Lane Johnson, West Virginia's Tavon Austin and Texas' Kenny Vaccaro were among the first 15 players chosen.

Since 2006, the Big 12 have had 32 players chosen in the first round. This is the fifth year that the Big 12 has had at least two players chosen in the first 10 picks.

May. 01, 2006 Texas Football - look at how many were drafted.

Will Allen
Offensive Guard
Houston, Texas
Brian Carter
Wide Receiver
The Woodlands, Texas
Larry Dibbles
Defensive Tackle
Lancaster, Texas
Mike Garcia
Offensive Guard
Houston, Texas
Cedric Griffin
Cornerback
San Antonio, Texas
Ahmard Hall
Running Back
Angleton, Texas
Aaron Harris
Linebacker
Mesquite, Texas
Michael Huff
Safety/Cornerback
Irving, Texas
Richmond McGee
Punter/Placekicker
Garland, Texas
Matt Nordgren
Quarterback
Dallas, Texas
David Pino
Placekicker
Wichita Falls, Texas
Nick Schroeder
Deep Snapper
The Woodlands, Texas
Jonathan Scott
Outside Tackle
Dallas, Texas
David Thomas
Tight End
Wolfforth, Texas
Will Winston
Offensive Tackle
Houston, Texas
Rod Wright
Defensive Tackle
Houston, Texas
Vince Young
Quarterback
Houston, Texas

 

[Ketchum]

I've read comments about the demise of the B12.
Any comment on which conference could be potentials for Texas?

The Big 10 is the favorite at the moment.

 

[McHorn]

The Big 10 is the favorite at the moment.

Will they take OU?

Will it be 20 teams? 16? 18?

 

[Ketchum]

Will they take OU?

Will it be 20 teams? 16? 18?

I could see 16.

 

[BrushCountryHorn]

Blaming the spread for a lack of offensive and defensive linemen and linebackers from the Big 12 getting drafted doesn't resonate with me. Malcom Brown was a high draft pick, Conner Williams will be, and we've got several linebackers who will be. The spread was already in wide use when the B12 had large numbers of first/second round picks.

And blaming 7on7, which is played in shorts, for a perceived lack of toughness? Pshaw. It's a lot easier to defend the crap, predictable offenses in the SEC, as compared to the complicated and sophisticated timing and space B12 offenses. The NFL is still a "traditional" league, but the change is underway. As more teams adopt advanced offenses, the skills valued in the B12 will be more appreciated on draft day.

 

[SkullSplitter]

"No one wants to build a mansion in a trailer park and that’s exactly the position in which Texas finds itself." That's a succinct summary of how the dying B12 is holding our program back.

 

[lenexahorn]

He wasn't the lead dog on that team, even if he was the best player. That wasn't HIS team.[/QUOTE]
Tim was the leader but in presence only. Kawhi was the lead dog when we needed a bucket. He was MVP for a reason. Not just on offense but defense- making life impossible for the best player in the game[/QUOTE]
Andre iguodala won the MVP for the warriors lol you gonna try to say he was the best player on the warriors that year?

 

[86Horn]

I haven't seen anybody mention Mel Kiper's comment when D'Onta was drafted by the Texans. He basically said the 2K rushing yards were not real because he did it against Big 12 Defenses. I know Kiper is a bit of a blow hard talking head that just has to have some provocative BS lined up for the draft telecast, but I still found this comment surprisingly negative about the B12. Is this really what the rest of the world thinks ... that all offensive production in the Big 12 is suspect?

Probably. Media creates perception. Propaganda works.

I would respond that he did it on a team with almost no other options, so it should count a bit more.

 

[Ketchum]

Probably. Media creates perception. Propaganda works.

I would respond that he did it on a team with almost no other options, so it should count a bit more.

Oh, come on. In his biggest games, he was often playing against wretched defenses.That's not perception, that's what happened.

 

[RLong68]

"No one wants to build a mansion in a trailer park and that’s exactly the position in which Texas finds itself." That's a succinct summary of how the dying B12 is holding our program back.

Sorry, but what's held our program "back" has, IMO, had little to nothing to do with the conference and overwhelmingly due to horrendous leadership from the AD's office which led to 4 years of "rolling out like a lamb" under Mack then just a bizarre 3 year odyssey with Strong. Rest assured, once Herman starts kicking ass then the whole "let's blame the Big 12" will go away.

 

[Clarence50]

Sorry, but what's held our program "back" has, IMO, had little to nothing to do with the conference and overwhelmingly due to horrendous leadership from the AD's office which led to 4 years of "rolling out like a lamb" under Mack then just a bizarre 3 year odyssey with Strong. Rest assured, once Herman starts kicking ass then the whole "let's blame the Big 12" will go away.

correct ^^^^^^^

 

[Ketchum]

Sorry, but what's held our program "back" has, IMO, had little to nothing to do with the conference and overwhelmingly due to horrendous leadership from the AD's office which led to 4 years of "rolling out like a lamb" under Mack then just a bizarre 3 year odyssey with Strong. Rest assured, once Herman starts kicking ass then the whole "let's blame the Big 12" will go away.

Your post is exactly right, except for one thing.

I don't see a lot of people blaming the Big 12. I see people calling it the dogshit that the conference is some very critical ways.

 

[86Horn]

Oh, come on. In his biggest games, he was often playing against wretched defenses.That's not perception, that's what happened.

Mixon played against those same defenses, and his team had an effective passing game when on the road. SEC defenses are not that tough, especially once you leave the state of Alabama, they just play against prehistoric offenses that are easy to defend. They get shredded by spread offenses, as A&M proved its first year in the league.

NC State pout 41 on Vandy; KState put 33 on A&M; Clemson put 35 on Bama; South f.n Foorida put 46 on S. Carolina; Oklahoma put 35 on Auburn.

So against good non-SEC competition, the SEC was pretty average on defense.