Ketch's 10 Thoughts From The Weekend (The latest on Micah Hudson isn't great...)
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So what role as leaders did the HOF player and outspoken cats like Irvin play? Or Aikman?
Both great players.
Irvin was the emotional leader.
Aikman was the dad on the team that made sure focus was kept at all times. He might have ever been the unofficial head coach for SBXXX
Yeah I mean you have a fair point about emmitt smith being a key leader .
But when it comes to passion, emotion, getting the troops fired up - I would always think of Irvin first . You said it yourself “emotional leader” . That’s why it’s hard for me to imagine smith being a lynchpin that was THE dominant figure/leader of that team
You take Emmitt of those teams, they don't win a single super bowl.
He is what separated them from the Niners.
I know... I said your column was good. I just browsed the page this post was on and there is just still so much finger vomit that I can't get past to find any meaningful discussion. Kind of like a corral thread. I am sure it's just a me thing.
I'll get over it and get back to recruiting and team updates.
I don't know how this Emmitt/Barry debate hasn't been entertaining from an outside party.
You guys are so willing to welcome with open arms.... Is it too late to become a Spurs fan?
its never too late. There's always room!!
Maybe…
I definitely punish Montana in the goat qb debate because he played with great players.
They would have won if they had been able to select Blair Thomas like they wanted.
Are we moving the goalposts from great to well?
Since 2003 rushing team rankings
26th
6th
23rd
14th
11th
5th
14th
9th
19th
7th
8th
18th
32nd
12th
15th
5th
18th
In 17 seasons…
2 appearances in top 5
6 appearances in top 10 (which only puts them in the top 1/3 of the league)
Less than half of those seasons did he have a rushing attack that ranked in the top third. He had three seasons that ranked in the bottom third, including a dead last finish. And 6 seasons that ranked in the middle.
Those stats don’t portray a great rushing attack. They don’t even convey a good rushing attack. Running the ball well was never in the patriots dna. Their DNA was running the ball very avg.
How much? I'm just curious. The conversation fascinates me. I'm not going to "gotcha" you.
That's literally the craziest thing anyone has ever said on Orangebloods.
I might have been trolling a little.
But I still think Barry is better than Emmitt.
In the years the Patriots win the Super Bowl, they ranked:
5th (2002)
7th (2004)
24th (2005)
3rd (2015)
10th (2017)
18th (2019)
In 4 of their 6 championship years, they were 10th or better.
Emmitt Smith is top 10 and I was a fan when he played but if you asked me for top 5 wouldn't have even considered him to be one of the "just missed the top 5".
Do you think VY is just on the outside of your top 10 college quarterbacks of all-time?
No, VY is a solid 10 college QB. Not a top 10 passer, though. Smith would be somewhere from 8-10 in my top NFL RBs.
You started a thread about NFL RB's and then asked about college QB's and asked it in the form of a negative. VY is a solid top 10 college QB.
I'm asking you who ranks above VY.
Because for me, he's the best college football player I have ever seen.
Emmitt being the greatest rb of all time is debatable. These position rankings will never be debatable:
WR - Jerry Rice
QB - Tom Brady
Openly Gay QB - Troy Aikman
WR - Jerry Rice
QB - Tom Brady
Openly Gay QB - Troy Aikman
You make a living running a sports website and I make a living doing accounting. I made a post on a thread about NFL RB's and haven't done and won't do the research to make an original list about the top 10 college QB's. If I did, the number of QB's I would put ahead of VY would be somewhere between 0 and 5. There is also the sin of presentism involved here. Neither you nor I have seen Bobby Layne play. VY might very well be the #2 QB to ever play for Texas. If VY had played his final year of eligibility, and won a second MNC, I would be more willing to say he's the best college player ever.
10th is barely top 1/3rd. Top 1/3rd of anything doesn’t constitute great. Barely constitutes above average.
Great question…
I use it for sure in tie breakers. When Brady matched Montana in SB wins, I still claimed Brady was the goat since he did it with lesser talent around him.
I wouldn’t use it to elevate or knock someone down a tier. I put Sanders and Smith in the same tier as top 5 of all time, so I use the “what-if” game to determine who I think is historically better. I wouldn’t do that with Smith and Payton, or Smith and OJ. I think that next tier is the next tier.
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