4 of the players you listed are on offense and 70 percent of the multi year pro-bowlers were on defense.
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4 of the players you listed are on offense and 70 percent of the multi year pro-bowlers were on defense.
“Oh, wow. We were different in that I probably could have used a few more Nate Newton's in front of me,” Sanders said.
Nate Newton entered the NFL in 1983.
Emmitt entered the league in 1990 when Newton was entering his 8th season. He never went to a Pro Bowl. He was basically a journeyman pro that had bounced from Washington to the USFL and then to Dallas.
He didn't earn an pro Bowl bid until his 10th season.
Emmitt elevated Nate, not the other way around.
Nate Newton entered the NFL in 1983.
Emmitt entered the league in 1990 when Newton was entering his 8th season. He never went to a Pro Bowl. He was basically a journeyman pro that had bounced from Washington to the USFL and then to Dallas.
He didn't earn an pro Bowl bid until his 10th season.
Emmitt elevated Nate, not the other way around.
4 of the 11 starting players on the Detroit offense went to at least 3 Pro Bowls.
There's a reason why that team went to the playoffs six times in 8 years. It was a very good team.
There's a reason why they always came short in the playoffs. It's best player didn't play like an elite player.
This RB GOAT argument with Barry is absurd. If you’re talking about being electric and exciting with wow moments it’s Barry…………then everyone else. But if you’re talking about all the other shit, uhhh no.
I was simply pointing out that you're using defensive players as justification for an argument regarding offensive talent. You can spin your take however you want but the board and the rest of the sports world think differently.
I'm not spinning anything.
I've merely listed facts. Barry actually played with a lot of really good players and was on a lot of playoff teams.
I can't help or control what anyone else thinks.
Using defensive pro bowl talent in an offensive conversation is spin.
And we can't help or control what you think either
It's not just an offensive conversation. The issue is whether he played with teams that were good and had good players.
Question for you... Barry made the playoffs six times in eight years. Do you believe he was a producer in the playoffs and a big-game player?
It's always been an offensive conversation - you pulling in the defense to boost your argument is just you being you.
No he didn't produce in the playoffs and yes he is a big game player.
a. I don't know in what world 4 of 11 players on offense being multiple-time pro Bowlers is a low number.
b. There's been a larger conversation in the last 24 hours about the overall quality of the teams he played on. His supporting cast has been called trash. Those numbers are important because they disprove that notion.
c. How was he a big-game player if he didn't produce in the playoffs?
I don’t know why you had to list defensive talent to try and prove your point.
Do you answer every question with a question?
Big games are not limited to the playoffs.
Detroit consistently had 4 players on its offense making Pro Bowls in the 90s.
Here are the playoff teams in the NFL in 2023 and the number of offensive Pro Bowlers they had.
Kansas City: 5
Baltimore: 2
Buffalo: 2
Miami: 2
Cincinnati: 2
Jacksonville: 0
San Diego: 0
Philadelphia: 6
Dallas: 3
NY Giants: 1
Minnesota: 3
Tampa bay: 1
San Francisco: 3
Seattle: 1
Out of 14 teams, only two teams had more Pro Bowlers on offense than the 4 that Detroit consistently had in the 90s.
But, yeah, poor Barry played with nothing but spare parts.
Here are the playoff teams in the NFL in 2023 and the number of offensive Pro Bowlers they had.
Kansas City: 5
Baltimore: 2
Buffalo: 2
Miami: 2
Cincinnati: 2
Jacksonville: 0
San Diego: 0
Philadelphia: 6
Dallas: 3
NY Giants: 1
Minnesota: 3
Tampa bay: 1
San Francisco: 3
Seattle: 1
Out of 14 teams, only two teams had more Pro Bowlers on offense than the 4 that Detroit consistently had in the 90s.
But, yeah, poor Barry played with nothing but spare parts.
a. Because it speaks to the totality of the roster he played with. It's part of the weaponization used against Emmitt.
b. I find asking questions provides a window into the souls of arguments being made. For instance... your big game-comment... hoo-boy.
c. The biggest games are playoff games. He came up incredibly small time and time again in those games. I don't know what other big games Barry played in that you're talking about. Can you remember one?
Of course the biggest are playoff games but they are not the only big games. What is hoo-boy about my comment? You disagree that big games occur outside the playoffs?
Can you name these signature big games that Sanders produced in that would make us forget he was shit in the playoffs, which every other great player in every sport is defined in?
Actually Sanders and Emmitt both had flaws. Barry’s have been listed in this thread. Emmitt could not take it to the house. Dickerson and Peterson could. So could OJ and Faulk. Jim Brown will always be in a league of his own.
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No I can’t name them and I’m not gonna go look it up to try and satisfy you.
That is the way YOU define greatness - it’s not how everyone defines it. In fact your board disagrees, the cowboy fans on the board disagree (the majority), and Google searches and quotes on who the greatest running back was suggest the world disagrees as well. It’s your pick and I commend you for sticking with it but you’re clearly in the minority. I’ll stick with my original take - it’s a homer pick and I’ll add hoo-boy does it show.
Thanks for making my point. 30 yards is not taking it to the house. The TD run against the Vikings in OT is very indicative of some of the massive holes Emmitt found. That hole was HUGE. Was there even a defensive player standing on the left side of the field? I actually remember that run. Just like I remember Buddy Ryan pontificating that Emmitt was not a big play threat. Emmitt was a great running back. Played on a great team.
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I don’t really disagree with any part of your list. I’m just saying that my opinions about RBs is formed mostly by how many times I said “Damn!” When watching them. My picks are purely emotional.
As much as I dislike OU I remember saying “Damn!” a lot when watching Joe Washington run with the ball. I think him getting hurt in the College All Star Classic was part of the reason that game went away after that year. They used to have a fan-picked team of college all stars play the previous years Super Bowl winners. By the final year in 1976 it was just a beat down. I think the last year that the college team won was 1963 when the NFL players had regular jobs in the off season and weren’t in shape yet.
I vividly remember watching the game when I was in college and being amazed by Joe Washington. He ended up having a good game in a 24-0 loss. He twisted a knee in the terrible storm at he end of the game. Meniscus I think. He was still a solid NFL player after that but he was never quite the same. Hard to believe that they played in that kind of weather. Here’s a video of the end of the game:
I actually don’t think so , NO
I can see how you can argue he should be 1, like there’s points to be made for and against that on both sides
But what I think is obvious is Dallas was incredibly stacked back then ….I don’t think he was by far the clear “lynchpin” , “heart and soul” of rhe team. You’re almost equating him to a Duncan type role during the spurs dynasty
Some people argue Michael Irvin was the emotional leader , the rocket fuel for that team, the outspoken passion etc
Some people might say Troy , I mean he was clearly a good field general and organized leader etc
It might be emmitt as well, but he was one of many if we go down that angle
That team just had a bunch of alphas
lulz.
Just going to not only ignore the other plays, but the fact that he broke about 5 tackles on several of them.
His teammates disagree with you.
Charles Haley broke a wall because he disagreed with you.
They went 0-2 in 1993 without him, he came back and won the MVP, took home-field advantage when he racked up 220+ total yards with a separated shoulder and then ended up winning the Super Bowl because he took over the second half.
I routinely ignore evidence that isn’t supportive. The run against the Cards was epic. I assume you noticed a couple where he was untouched?? Not a finger. Maybe I’m somewhat wanting ……. A little less than absolutely?
If Barry Sanders would have been the RB for the Cowboys during their dynasty run of 3 Super Bowl wins and played as long as Emmitt...he would have 20,000+ rushing yards. And throw in the fact that if Jerry Jones didn't have such a huge ego and got rid of Jimmy Johnson, there would be at least 2 more Super Bowl wins for the Cowboys...and Barry if he was the RB for Cowboys.
If Micah Hudson does not pick Texas (the Good Guys) and goes to TT...I'm ok with it, because if he chooses Ohio St. or one of the traditional SEC powerhouses, it will mean we will have face and try to stop him in what will be a crucial game that we'll need to win. Hudson going to to TT will be the best thing for Texas...if does not choose the Good Guys.
Sometimes long runs work out that way. The truth of the matter is that Smith consistently broke off long runs in his career.
If the knock on him is that he couldn't "take it to the house", I never noticed it much as a fan, living and dying with every game.
The home run factor could easily be a critique in the second half of his career, though.
If your aunt had balls, she's be your uncle.
Great running games? He has played with ONE great wide receiver, and always a great tight end. Besides Moss, please list what other “great” wide receivers Brady played with.
Also to discount the way people have always discussed him doing more with less is very much revisionist history.
Who else do I argue with on this site or who do I use what-ifs for
In football? 😬
I would use it with Calvin Johnson. I think historically he will be pretty underrated because of his terrible supporting cast.
a. Are you suggesting that New England didn't run the ball well under Hoodie?
Running the ball well is part of their DNA, even if it was always a different gang of backs from year to year.
b. Wes Welker was a great receiver in his prime. Gronk is going to be in the HOF. Edleman was very good. Deion Brach at his best was very good. Same with Troy Brown.
What other all-time players do you punish because they played with other great players?
Is Jerry Rice not the best wide receiver of all-time because he played with other great players?
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